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Lafarge writes:

in response to islandeye1#236971:

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Being not allowed at one Church and then setting up shop at another Church is very strange. It seems that Churches are not considered equal when it come to regulations if this is permitted.

Lafarge writes:

"Face the USA reality, Waldi, (their)sp. is no (seperation)sp. between (charch)sp. and state.

Marianne Herzili"

An English teacher's Nigtmare.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Nightmare!

Lafarge writes:

in response to Ocram:

Nightmare!

Merci beaucoup, mon ami.

Lafarge writes:

in response to MarcoDefender:

All great things take time. While you continue to gripe about everything you can think of, the MIA will be working smart and working hard to get an excellent program up and running. Check back in a few years when you're far more bitter and the success of the Academy is far sweeter.

Sounds to me like that T.V. commercial that we remember the commercial and not what it was for.

Face the facts, if your group knew what they were doing in the first place it would not be grasping at straws and begging for students to enroll. In a few years it will be all forgotten just like the commercial.

Crackerass writes:

You people are continuing to destroy Marco. I laugh/cry when I see you people call yourselves Marco this or Tiger that. You people are a bunch of northerners/foreigners that have not a clue what this Island was, is or should become. You throw around empty words and worthless money to get your point heard. STOP, think and listen for a minute. You all have polluted this place to the point of destruction. Please stop.... please.

MarcoDefender writes:

in response to Ocram:

MarcoDefender,

I think I have heard all there is to hear regarding a World Class Academy or whatever it is going to be called in a few months.

I am really wondering how you plan to have 65 students being taught by 6 to 8 teachers at each grade level. That means about 14 teachers for 65 students. Less than 5 students per teacher.

Oh, I see it will be more like 10 teachers teaching classes of 6 to 7 students maybe like the old school houses of the 1800s where a teacher taught several levels at the same time.

And by the way I will never be bitter if young people get a real education from real certified, credentialed teachers and staff. Why I am truly annoyed by is the absolute waste of energies, time, money that could have been funneled into a "real" school like Lely, not someone's hallucination and personal selfishness.

Oc - Every teacher must be certified in order to instruct at the K - 12 level in Florida. So let's put that to rest. As for the numbers, the start of a new organization is always slow and challenging. Should we just abandon such endeavors because of this, or because of haters, who have nothing positive to add? Where would we be as a nation if the pioneers thought "Well, there's not to many of us here, and things will be tough the first few years, yeah, maybe we should pack up (ie. give up) and go back". Where would Marco Island be if that happened? You'd be leaving in a swamp by yourself, being miserable, as you are, and then you'd really have something to complain about.

Give the organization a chance. I think you will be pleasantly surprised in a short amount of time. You know, there were people just like you griping 10+ years ago about a new school on Marco called Marco Island Charter Middle School. Look at them now, the most exemplary school in all of the district.

You're either part of the solution, or part of the problem, please stop being part of the problem.

MarcoDefender writes:

There are 111 kids in the 8th grade class at MICMS. Enrollment at MIA is roughly 70. For a new school, especially at the HS level, those intake rates are pretty strong. Again, let's bring some attention to the positive. These families are entrusting a lot to this new MIA HS. Let's not knock them down. They could use your skeptical, but objective point of view. Mark my words, this will be a jewel of Marco Island in years to come. It's unfortunate there are some very selfish & negative people shouting out in this forum.

If you don't have anything nice to say...

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to MarcoDefender:

There are 111 kids in the 8th grade class at MICMS. Enrollment at MIA is roughly 70. For a new school, especially at the HS level, those intake rates are pretty strong. Again, let's bring some attention to the positive. These families are entrusting a lot to this new MIA HS. Let's not knock them down. They could use your skeptical, but objective point of view. Mark my words, this will be a jewel of Marco Island in years to come. It's unfortunate there are some very selfish & negative people shouting out in this forum.

If you don't have anything nice to say...

Please try, for once, to be completely honest in your efforts to prove your point. For instance why are you saying that there are 111 students in 8th grade at the MICMS and then with the next breath said that there are almost 70 students enrolled, making it appear that those 70 are only from the 8th grade. Those 70 students, if there will be that many that finalize going to MIA, will be from two grade levels not one. Why are you not counting how many are available from 9th grade in your figures? How many are presently in the 9th grade to be added to your inaccurate intake rate? Is this, once again, your attempt to misrepresent the facts? Could it be that there are no 9th graders presently going to Lely who will be enrolling? If that is the case than say it.

We have not knocked the families who have entrusted their children to the MIA other that they may be making a big mistake in believing all that they are being told.

Your words, that there will be a jewel on Marco in years to come, may at some time come to pass, but it will not be headed up by you.

Maybe it will be headed by someone who trusts the opinion of the whole community more than their own personal wants.

I have another point to add to this which relates to the article above. How is it that the Academy can aquire the permission to use one Church (Baptist) for its school and at the same time having been denied by, what I believe, were deed restrictions, at the New Life Church????

Allowing something to happen and doing what is legally permissible is now an additional concern.

Have you or has anybody else, for that matter, checked completely into this irregularity?

Separation of Church and State can not be realistically part of your curriculum being that the Baptist Church will have its own religious icons prominately exposed for students of different religious backgrouds to be exposed to on a daily basis. Why are you so indifferent to their needs?

MarcoDefender writes:

in response to Ocram:

Please try, for once, to be completely honest in your efforts to prove your point. For instance why are you saying that there are 111 students in 8th grade at the MICMS and then with the next breath said that there are almost 70 students enrolled, making it appear that those 70 are only from the 8th grade. Those 70 students, if there will be that many that finalize going to MIA, will be from two grade levels not one. Why are you not counting how many are available from 9th grade in your figures? How many are presently in the 9th grade to be added to your inaccurate intake rate? Is this, once again, your attempt to misrepresent the facts? Could it be that there are no 9th graders presently going to Lely who will be enrolling? If that is the case than say it.

We have not knocked the families who have entrusted their children to the MIA other that they may be making a big mistake in believing all that they are being told.

Your words, that there will be a jewel on Marco in years to come, may at some time come to pass, but it will not be headed up by you.

Maybe it will be headed by someone who trusts the opinion of the whole community more than their own personal wants.

I have another point to add to this which relates to the article above. How is it that the Academy can aquire the permission to use one Church (Baptist) for its school and at the same time having been denied by, what I believe, were deed restrictions, at the New Life Church????

Allowing something to happen and doing what is legally permissible is now an additional concern.

Have you or has anybody else, for that matter, checked completely into this irregularity?

Separation of Church and State can not be realistically part of your curriculum being that the Baptist Church will have its own religious icons prominately exposed for students of different religious backgrouds to be exposed to on a daily basis. Why are you so indifferent to their needs?

Oc - Agreed, I do not know the number of 10th grade entrants for MIA, therefore, can't comment on it. Once you find out, let us all know. The point is, for a new school, 70 is a pretty good start. Obviously, you're a "glass half empty" kind of person. So be it.

As far as what we and the families are being told, you cite for me what lies have been told. Let's start dealing with specifics, instead of broad generalities. Plus, remember that each parent has to make the choices that are best for them and their family. It's not appropriate or fair that we (the public, or you) try to parent for them.

Yes, it will be a jewel, and you're correct, it will not be headed up by me. I am helping in other ways, and it's not my objective to work in the K-12 school system. I will stick with college level, it's a much better fit for me. My personal wants are to see the kids in this community get a great high school education, in this community. My own children have quite a long time before they will reach the HS level. I'm patient. I know MIA will be top tier by then.

As far as this church situation and deed restrictions, you've fallen in the trap of being a mouse. Don't chase the cheese. Find out in advance where it will be and meet it there. Deed restrictions are part of most zoned areas, it doesn't have anything to do with churches, just what occupants are allowed to have on & not have on their property. You need to brush up there Oc. Plus, that ship has sailed, New Life is out and the Baptist Church grounds are the start up location.

Church & State have been integrated into this country for a long time. Think back to your history. The US was founded on that freedom, along with many others. Those who talk about this subject believe there's a problem here, but there's not. It's one set of values helping another set of values. It's all good. The rising tide raises all boats. Start looking at the positives here, as opposed to the red herrings. It's a building, not a portable building, be happy for what is, and start becoming part of the solution. I'm focused on the education needs of our community, aren't you. Spiritual needs can be addressed at home. It's just a place to learn. Please stop thinking everything is a conspiracy, and nefarious.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Come on with the charade. You know the answer and are avoiding it, as usual. 70 out of the original 250 - 300 originally claimed as available by the MIA for two grade levels is actually terrible. In your case your glass is 75% empty.

Now you are calling me a mouse. Then why have you not claimed that all is ok with the City and zoning before you tell me that anything is up and running. I have heard "Done Deal" before and it did not come to pass.

Presently your jewel is a cubic zirconia. Lots of glitter but no substance.

I never said lies, I said misinformation. Go back to the MarcoIslandAcademy Application list I have posted on several occassions and you will see the facts that I "know of".

Church and State are wonderful things but are not accepted by the Constitution as being one and the same. There have been laws that have stated this for hundreds of years and your trivializing it does not make your ship float.

Lafarge writes:

in response to MarcoDefender:

Oc - Agreed, I do not know the number of 10th grade entrants for MIA, therefore, can't comment on it. Once you find out, let us all know. The point is, for a new school, 70 is a pretty good start. Obviously, you're a "glass half empty" kind of person. So be it.

As far as what we and the families are being told, you cite for me what lies have been told. Let's start dealing with specifics, instead of broad generalities. Plus, remember that each parent has to make the choices that are best for them and their family. It's not appropriate or fair that we (the public, or you) try to parent for them.

Yes, it will be a jewel, and you're correct, it will not be headed up by me. I am helping in other ways, and it's not my objective to work in the K-12 school system. I will stick with college level, it's a much better fit for me. My personal wants are to see the kids in this community get a great high school education, in this community. My own children have quite a long time before they will reach the HS level. I'm patient. I know MIA will be top tier by then.

As far as this church situation and deed restrictions, you've fallen in the trap of being a mouse. Don't chase the cheese. Find out in advance where it will be and meet it there. Deed restrictions are part of most zoned areas, it doesn't have anything to do with churches, just what occupants are allowed to have on & not have on their property. You need to brush up there Oc. Plus, that ship has sailed, New Life is out and the Baptist Church grounds are the start up location.

Church & State have been integrated into this country for a long time. Think back to your history. The US was founded on that freedom, along with many others. Those who talk about this subject believe there's a problem here, but there's not. It's one set of values helping another set of values. It's all good. The rising tide raises all boats. Start looking at the positives here, as opposed to the red herrings. It's a building, not a portable building, be happy for what is, and start becoming part of the solution. I'm focused on the education needs of our community, aren't you. Spiritual needs can be addressed at home. It's just a place to learn. Please stop thinking everything is a conspiracy, and nefarious.

MarcoDefender, To put it mildly, what a load of poppycock!

MarcoDefender writes:

Oc - As I wrote, you're not part of the solution. Quit being part of the problem and accept the inevitable. The program will start in August, a small core of great teachers and students who want an education in their community.

With the recent negative news on Collier's academic ratings, the district will need all the help it can get. I am here to tell you, MIAHS will be an A rated HS in Collier. It's a feat not easily reached by other "real" schools, as you named them.

The smart people are funneling in their community, because they want to be part of the solution. You will eventually figure this out. It may be years from now, but there will be a day where you will have to admit it was the right thing for the Island students. Mark my words, there will be a day!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Will you please lighten up with the expressions of the day like being part of the problem or part of the solution. It sounds like the "World Class" statements of last year meaningless as far as actual facts go.

I would like to know how you could possibly come up with a "complete school" of any kind with the list of teachers you have. I am not saying anything about them as people but their lack of experience leaves a great deal to be desired if a High School is to get off of the ground in the first place. How about getting some science, English and math teachers or will the music or art teachers be teaching that too? I think that is allowed under Florida Education Law and it looks like that will be the case here.

You have now listed another art or music teacher who recently graduated and is already being promoted by the Academy as being a mover and shaker in education. How about some classroom time before anyone can make those claims?

Not really nice to say that the smart people are funneling into their community because they want to be part of the solution. (There appears to be a greater number of people who are not going that way. What happened to "choice"? Now those others are no longer smart people?) Your claim is so far fetched because you have no solution but unsubstantiated claims that have yet to be proven or to get off of the ground in the first place and how could that be a "smart move"?

You see, you do not really see that you and your proponents are really part of the problem. Taking away from the public schools just to satisfy you own selfish interests. If you wanted to truly be part of the solution you would have funneled, as you call it, your efforts into making an existing public school the best it can be, for all of the students attending it not trying to make your own private school, so that your own do not have to mix with those "criminals" as one of your proponents proudly posted, with no denouncement from any other proponent, using public funds, for your limited number of students.

Now you are talking about having a school years from now when you have failed to provide one in the present. Why should anyone believe those kind of claims, intelligent or not?

You started over a year ago with a web site which appeared that you had an up and running Marco Island Academy that offered a "World Class Education". As time went on so did those outlandish claims. All you have now after a couple of years of energies of many good people is a enrollment no larger than three or four classes in a place that may or may not even be zoned for a public school.

Maybe in a few years there will be a High School on Marco, but I hope it will be better planned and thought out, along with true public support than what you are presently attempting to offer. At that time the students and parents will be able to be proud of what they have.

MarcoDefender writes:

in response to Ocram:

Will you please lighten up with the expressions of the day like being part of the problem or part of the solution. It sounds like the "World Class" statements of last year meaningless as far as actual facts go.

I would like to know how you could possibly come up with a "complete school" of any kind with the list of teachers you have. I am not saying anything about them as people but their lack of experience leaves a great deal to be desired if a High School is to get off of the ground in the first place. How about getting some science, English and math teachers or will the music or art teachers be teaching that too? I think that is allowed under Florida Education Law and it looks like that will be the case here.

You have now listed another art or music teacher who recently graduated and is already being promoted by the Academy as being a mover and shaker in education. How about some classroom time before anyone can make those claims?

Not really nice to say that the smart people are funneling into their community because they want to be part of the solution. (There appears to be a greater number of people who are not going that way. What happened to "choice"? Now those others are no longer smart people?) Your claim is so far fetched because you have no solution but unsubstantiated claims that have yet to be proven or to get off of the ground in the first place and how could that be a "smart move"?

You see, you do not really see that you and your proponents are really part of the problem. Taking away from the public schools just to satisfy you own selfish interests. If you wanted to truly be part of the solution you would have funneled, as you call it, your efforts into making an existing public school the best it can be, for all of the students attending it not trying to make your own private school, so that your own do not have to mix with those "criminals" as one of your proponents proudly posted, with no denouncement from any other proponent, using public funds, for your limited number of students.

Now you are talking about having a school years from now when you have failed to provide one in the present. Why should anyone believe those kind of claims, intelligent or not?

You started over a year ago with a web site which appeared that you had an up and running Marco Island Academy that offered a "World Class Education". As time went on so did those outlandish claims. All you have now after a couple of years of energies of many good people is a enrollment no larger than three or four classes in a place that may or may not even be zoned for a public school.

Maybe in a few years there will be a High School on Marco, but I hope it will be better planned and thought out, along with true public support than what you are presently attempting to offer. At that time the students and parents will be able to be proud of what they have.

Oc - It's not clear to me what your problem is with the teachers, they are all experienced, certified and highly recommended. Share some details on your issues.

You continually say "you". I am not the HS.

I stand by my comment, the smart people are focused on the community HS solution. Not being for the HS doesn't preclude you from the smart people, but does show that you're committed to the community, and that's all good. All will be proven in time. As I've written, be patient.

MIA HS is a public school, so we are focused on the public school solution, in our neighborhood. There's nothing selfish about wanting a better result, in the community. If you're a Marco resident, you understand that. Do you really leave the island for everything you need on a daily basis, or you do you buy groceries, go to all your restaurants, buy your gas here, on Marco? It's no different. Kids need to be at school in their community. They get that the first 8 years of their student life, there's no reason why that shouldn't continue for secondary school.

Put any label you'd like on it. There's a public HS on this island. It's success is just a matter of time. Let the students and families decide for themselves what's best, there's no need for you to bring your negative view on it. Again, a fact, you are not part of the solution.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to MarcoDefender:

Oc - It's not clear to me what your problem is with the teachers, they are all experienced, certified and highly recommended. Share some details on your issues.

You continually say "you". I am not the HS.

I stand by my comment, the smart people are focused on the community HS solution. Not being for the HS doesn't preclude you from the smart people, but does show that you're committed to the community, and that's all good. All will be proven in time. As I've written, be patient.

MIA HS is a public school, so we are focused on the public school solution, in our neighborhood. There's nothing selfish about wanting a better result, in the community. If you're a Marco resident, you understand that. Do you really leave the island for everything you need on a daily basis, or you do you buy groceries, go to all your restaurants, buy your gas here, on Marco? It's no different. Kids need to be at school in their community. They get that the first 8 years of their student life, there's no reason why that shouldn't continue for secondary school.

Put any label you'd like on it. There's a public HS on this island. It's success is just a matter of time. Let the students and families decide for themselves what's best, there's no need for you to bring your negative view on it. Again, a fact, you are not part of the solution.

MarcoDefender,

Please read the staff descriptions posted on the web-site before you make any more incorrect statements.

You are correct "you" are not the MIA but appear to know a great deal about it until you get a question that you do not wish to answer with total clearness.

The world is a lot bigger than this island. Please tell me how they are going to get a competitive education with the limited facilities, teaching staff, (you still have not answered why there are no "core" teachers , such as for English(maybe 1), Science and Math?) Will the other teachers be filling in for this?

Are we going to "sacrifice" those students who in the first couple of years enroll so that those with children yet to go to high school have something "possibly" in the future? Sounds like a couple of proponents have this figured out already.

Nobody is not "letting" the students and parents decide for themselves. But don't you think that they should have all the information that is available, without the bloat, so that they can decide knowing the whole picture? It is not there on the web site and some people may "chose" not to come in for the answers. (I hope your response is that other schools don't provide that so why should the MIA?) In this day and age it is called transparency.

Success will only come when and if you can prove you have what it takes to provide a complete, thoroughly competitive education, and well rounded, for those who will be entering college in a few years. At this point in time and not some time in the future, you really do not appear being able to provide this. "Buyer Beware"!

Lafarge writes:

Please help!!!! Does anyone pay attention to the details of this article and what has occurred in front of us? Did a deed restriction not allow the Public School Academy at the New Life Church? Why would Deltona have it any different at a Baptist Church? I would like some real answers to this. Does anybody know?

Lafarge writes:

MARCODEFENDER, I took this quote from your posting above "Spiritual needs can be addressed at home. It's just a place to learn."

Children being exposed to religious icons on a daily basis, whether in the classroom, auditorium, hallways, offices and school entrance is a bit more than what is acceptable. It is a, maybe unitentional, form of subliminal indoctrination no matter how your attempts to make light of it.

That is why I am expressing my total disagreement of the placing a public charter school in the confines of an active religious instatutional setting.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO BELIEVE IN OUR GREAT COUNTRY!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Waldi with the phoney islandeye 1_235971 just talking to yourself once again as MIW. How entertaining.

Somehow you included yourself in my best wishes, sorry to say you were not invited.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Snake Oil has never been a good investment!

Lafarge writes:

I hope that the Charter High School is aware of the following reqauirements by the State of Florida regarding the use of a Church as a Public Charter School.

If you look at page 9 of the following document, in the yellow box, showing facility options that there are to be no religious figures or messages displayed during school hours. I assume that the Pastors of the Baptist Church are aware of this and will follow this regulation as required by law.
http://www.floridaschoolchoice.org/in...

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to Lafarge:

I hope that the Charter High School is aware of the following reqauirements by the State of Florida regarding the use of a Church as a Public Charter School.

If you look at page 9 of the following document, in the yellow box, showing facility options that there are to be no religious figures or messages displayed during school hours. I assume that the Pastors of the Baptist Church are aware of this and will follow this regulation as required by law.
http://www.floridaschoolchoice.org/in...

Thanks for "doing your homework". Your booklet has a couple other very interesting requirements which do not yet seem to be fully implemented by MIA.

And don't worry about M.H.. Most of the time "I am a Lady" is out to lunch.

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/im...

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Is the character as hairy as Klabzil?

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to islandeye1#236971:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Islandeye,

You were correct, as usual. Please find below an actual BBC episode showing Klabzil's coming out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwC7ph...

Lafarge writes:

The video is very funny, ha, but on the serious note why is there no response to my earlier concerns without the last 10 posts of foolery?

Lafarge writes:

I am sure that they are aware, but is it right?

Lafarge writes:

Once again, M.H., whatever you are, you are way off target, and just full of "Poppycock"!

Lafarge writes:

I just had a chance to browse the photos of the Baptist Church School Building on the Academy Web site. It seems that there was one photo left out. The photo of the FRONT of the Building. There is a specific reason why that photo was left out and MUST be corrected for a Public School to start there.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Lafarge,

Very interesting, drove by the building a saw what you were talking about. I am now waiting for MarcoDefender, Wildcat, Imlovinit etc. to brush aside the obvious. The photos did not show the top of the front. Another mistake, I suppose, or maybe just attempting to hide the full picture, once again.

Oh wait, I hear the phone call to MarcoIslandWomen from one of its trainers to post something irrelevant to misdirect the discussion at hand.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

From The MIA Website under Updates:

"SNEAK PEAK AT THE NEW MARCO ISLAND ACADEMY BUILDING"

Makes it appear on the website that the MIA actually owns the building and will be using it far into the future. NOT TRUE! First of all it is not a New Building, it is, a last resort, being permitted for use by the Baptist Church because other promises made by the MIA could not be fulfilled, in time.

Photos are of Principal's Office, Guidance Councilor's Office,
outside area, and a sort of Cafe Well. No photos of labs, auditorium, classrooms etc. or other areas where the students will be learning are shown.

Looks more like "A WEAK PEEK" to me.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Islandeye, do you believe that the MIA's website still in light of all that has not occurred still posts this on its front page, as though it, in fact, truly exists at this moment.

"The Marco Island Academy OFFERS a world-class public education to all students within the district."

Does anyone there believe in "Truth in Advertising"?

marco97 writes:

The Baptist Church has been home to the state offered pre-k program for 4 years, I believe if the state thinks it's ok for their public pre-k program at this location it should be ok for a charter high school.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Marco97,

Pre K does not fall under the same Florida State guidelines as a Publicly funded High School. Try Again!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Marco97,

As quoted in literature regarding Pre-K programs in Florida.

"Unlike many other states, Florida’s pre-K program was never expected
to be operated or dominated by public school systems or staffed
by certified (and union-belonging) teachers. Rather, the main providers
were meant to include an array of private child-care and preschool
operators, some of them non-profit but mostly for-profit. “Faith-based”
providers were welcome, as were school systems, if they wanted and
had the capacity to do this."

Hopefully, this will be helpful in formulating a knowledgeable response.

Marcogirl28 writes:

in response to Fossil:

Christians being Christian. Our community is strong.

This comment is to funny!!! The whole Baptist church thing is a joke. The school was fine and going strong with the employees they had there. All That church is, is a bunch of Fake people. Look at the clergy!!! If the Christian community was strong they wouldn't of closed the school!!!

marco97 writes:

in response to Ocram:

Marco97,

Pre K does not fall under the same Florida State guidelines as a Publicly funded High School. Try Again!

OC that's good to know, if I spent every waking minuet of the day obsessing over a high school coming to Marco like you do I would have known that.
It's a high school coming to the island not a prison relax.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Marco97,

What does your answer have to do with your lack of knowledge? (If you can not deal with the facts or being corrected, you attack the messanger.)

Maybe if you did your homework you would know the answer to something BEFORE you post any misdirecting fact. Not just a bunch of disprovable attempts of misinformation such as Marco Island is the only City in Florida without its own high school posted by you last year and the one above? If you can't post the truth then why make something look like it is not?

Yes, a high school "MAY' be coming but whose children will be the "sacrificial lambs" until, if and when that happens? Not those whose children may be going in a few years, but those who will be receiving an obviously inadequate education and high school experience until then.

Sorry to say that posts by several of the major proponents have said that their children will not be attending for a couple of years and that is another provable statement. Is that just a coincidence? I think not.

So maybe you should be doing your own homework before you try to misinform with statements which have been disproven as in the past.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Absolutely correct Islandeye,

They brought out the troops, Fossil, MarcoDefender, Marco97.........and now coming in from the rear of the pack, could it be, their very own, Klabzilatroll.

MarcoDefender writes:

in response to Ocram:

Absolutely correct Islandeye,

They brought out the troops, Fossil, MarcoDefender, Marco97.........and now coming in from the rear of the pack, could it be, their very own, Klabzilatroll.

Oc / Eye - You guys need to ratchet things down here.

Despite your odd attempts to drum up some conspiracy, let's not lose sight that this is a grassroots effort to give the kids on this island a chance to have a continuing education opportunity in their community at the HS level. This is not a brainwash attempt to indoctrinate kids into some religion, which according to you, appears to be a horrible thing.

Are you really worried about students seeing a cross while in a building, where they are safe, focused on study, and attempting to build a brighter future through education. If that's the case, what's your proposal to remove all the religious symbols on the signage that all the local churches display, as we go to the grocery store on this island, or drive down the road to the beach. Let's apply your same warped logic on that question and see how you plan to solve that little hiccup.

Again, you are not part of the solution, so please quietly choose to send your kids off island to Lely and quit your conspiracy gripes. If you want to challenge the school leadership, do it objectively, tactfully and in a forum where you might get some respect for adding to the debate while focusing on how to solve some problems around here, as opposed to make new ones.

This island is not a better place because you are here, so reconsider your typical hate position of students who wish to be educated near their homes, and the good people on this island who wish to add to the island value by creating a top tier school in this district. Nothing good can come from your contributions to this subject, so you I would encourage you to move on. Make some room for people who care about the quality of life on Marco Island, obviously you're not one of them.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Marco Defender,

It is not up to YOU or any of us to decide if a Cross should be in the school. What goes on at other religious institutions is not the issue so why, once again, cloud up the issue with such nonsense? The other institutions are not housing a public high school.

It is the law, so follow it instead of your constant attempts to circumvent both the law and the personal considerations of our community, which were just fine before this whole issue came up.

You never had sight of this community as a whole-you only considered your own personal agenda. So once again stop calling anyone else the problem because quite frankly you and your constant output of misinformation has been the "problem" since the beginning of your venture.

If you really wanted what the community wanted you would have gone for a referendum right from the start, not trying to maneuver and skirt that issue with any and all attempts to avoid it.

Now you consider yourself as making the community a better place. Sorry, you blew that possibility out of the water a long time ago with your inconsiderate actions relating to Tract K and the neighbors of that property and the way you "used" the Y.

Now you want to break the law, how endearing that is for us who totally disagree with that. In addition what a great first lesson for the kids, if you don't get what you like just break the law, it doesn't matter as long as you get your way. How s----- do you think people are?

I want to leave you with this final comment, for now, it is not that we do not want a high school on this island, it is we do not want a high school with you or anyone who agrees with you in any form of leadership or that has anything to do with an honest education for the next generation.

Now take that to the bank.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Wow, we must have touched on some very sensistive issues in our last couple of posts in order for the MIA handlers to call their Troll at 3 A.M. out of his drunken slumber in order to post his usual slanderous jibberish.

Thank you M.H. once again for your post. There goes another couple of educated enrollees from the MIA! They will now be enrolled at LELY. A real High School with a real, complete, curriculum and real choices not just some shortly falling apart "grass roots" effort from the MIA.

And finally, Marianne Herzili, I love you, too! From your "fan club" of one.

Lafarge writes:

Islandeye, U2Cane and Ocram. Have any or all of you considered running for City Council? We certainly could use additional Council Members who consider ALL the residents of this Island. If you have not, please give it some serious thought.

Lafarge writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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I was not speaking to you, as a result your comment is irrelevant

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Correction from post to MarcoDefender above.

"I want to leave you with this final comment, for now, it is not that we do not want a high school on this island, it is we do not want a high school with you or anyone who agrees with you in any form of (law breaking) leadership or that has anything to do with (your failure to be honest) form of education for our next generation.

marco97 writes:

OC show me where I said "Marco Island is the only City in Florida without its own high school" I think you have me confused with someone else.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

The you was directed at the proponents which you most certainly are one of. In fact, if I remember correctly, you argued something about distances which had nothing to do with the original post from proponents saying that Marco was the only City of its size, (population) without its own high school. Go look at your own blogs of last year and you will see that what I am saying is true.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Lafarge, I agree with Islandeye regarding the lack of respect some of the City Councilors receive while in office and after being in office, some of it is deserved and some of it undeserved.

I would like to thank you for your show support and have and will consider the invitation.

marco97 writes:

OC you are a liar, I did not say "Marco Island is the only City in Florida without its own high school" You find where I said that and I will apologize but I think you owe me one.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Marco97,

Posted to clarify my statement above. You are correct maybe I did mistake you for another one of the proponents who stated the comment, the fact was that it was untrue no matter how anyone tries to blow off the original statement.

This was your post of

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Written on Marco charter high school controversy turns back to Lely High scenario:
in response to Ocram:

"I believe your research as far as Cities in Florida not having their own high school is flawed.

Bonita Beach, 32,797 full time population goes to Estero, Safety Harbor, 17,203 full time population goes to Clearwater, Sunny Isles Beach, 15,315 full time population goes to Biscayne Bay, Jupiter, full time population of 39,328 goes to Neptune Beach and there are most likely others.

Marco Island has a full time population of 14,879 is definitely not the largest City without their own high school."

Safety Harbor goes 4-5 mile to Clearwater high

Bonita Springs 5-6 miles to Estero High.

The City of Sunny Isles Beach only lists this High school on their web site Dr. Michael M. Krop High School (Magnet) 3 miles away, no mention of Biscayne Bay.

Jupiter has it's own high school, here is the link www.palmbeach.k12.fl.us/jupiterhs/
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