Marco City Council nixes additional H2S tests

City seeks new water disposal method

Once they saw the price tag on additional testing from monitoring firm ENVIRON, Marco Island's City Council made the decision Friday to change direction on how to address concerns of hydrogen sulfide exposure that have plagued the sewer construction program in recent months.

Godfrey Davies, one resident who has remained a vigilant watchdog of Marco Island's dewatering activities, displays a photo to the Marco Island City Council on Friday. In it, a young woman pushes a stroller past a pipe Davies said was being used for dewatering. City staff and council members assured him that the line had not been put to use for dewatering, and he thanked the city for stopping activities that he says might jeopardize the child in the photo.

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Godfrey Davies, one resident who has remained a vigilant watchdog of Marco Island's dewatering activities, displays a photo to the Marco Island City Council on Friday. In it, a young woman pushes a stroller past a pipe Davies said was being used for dewatering. City staff and council members assured him that the line had not been put to use for dewatering, and he thanked the city for stopping activities that he says might jeopardize the child in the photo.

Rather than seek an additional $175,000 in tests, which would quadruple the original $58,000 cost, City Council gave unanimous approval to city staff to suspend monitoring and find a new way to use existing technology in treating groundwater pumped out during construction activities.

They also voted 7-0 to direct City Attorney Alan Gabriel to examine sewer construction contracts to determine whether the city could hold contractors liable for the costs spent so far on monitoring, and any future costs incurred in treating and disposing of the groundwater.

The meeting, the second special-called council session in a week, was called after City Council members reviewed a budget item for Monday's regularly scheduled meeting requesting another $175,000 for new tests. That monitoring would have established a model for the city to predict how much hydrogen sulfide would be released into the air based on the sulfide concentration in removed groundwater.

"In our minds this model could have potential," said City Manager Bill Moss. "But we on staff are becoming increasingly skeptical that this would be a good ultimate solution."

He said that city staff-conducted tests found great variations in hydrogen sulfide levels in one location over a given period of time, and he gave voice to staff concerns that residents would simply not trust the city to stick to the model.

Public Works Director Rony Joel asked for approval to find a way to treat the hydrogen sulfide-laden groundwater so it is neutralized, then dispose of it either into nearby swales to filter into canals.

The method would utilize existing technology used in the city's water treatment facilities, Joel said, though some council members took issue with the idea of returning the water to swales.

The current debate erupted over the untreated water being pumped into swales, which allowed hydrogen sulfide to leech out of the groundwater and into the air.

"Staff has no doubt we can treat the water and remove all of the hydrogen sulfide," he said. "We do it now."

He said that if council directed his staff to find another way of disposal, he would examine the feasibility of directing the water to the island's wastewater treatment plant.

"The issue of concern is how much water can we send, what's the salinity and how long will it take to construct that way?" Joel said.

The city is currently removing water in this manner, though it is without any prior treatment. The sewers under construction in the North Barfield district are going forward while the city pumps removed water through a force main and into the wastewater treatment facility.

Joel said that alternative is working, though he said that it may not have the capacity to handle water coming in from two sewer construction areas at one time, as might become necessary if the council disapproves returning treated water to the swales.

The new option of groundwater treatment will not be without new costs either, as the city will have to commission some sort of mobile water treatment unit that can be moved from one area to another. Joel said on Friday that he did not know how high those new costs might escalate.

It could also create delays in the completion of some districts as the city grapples with the challenge.

Resident Godfrey Davies, the outspoken resident who took up his own monitoring program, asked the City Council how far the project would have to go beyond expected costs and time frames before the city decided enough was enough.

"We're pushing this project further and further and further back all of the time," Davies said. "I want to see what this is costing us above what we are expecting, and where do we draw the line to shut this thing down."

Davies, an opponent of the city's Septic Tank Replacement Program, told the council he was never against sewers until he learned about the cost to each property owner.

The burden on each household runs a roughly $20,000 tab for the program, with costs increasing each year with inflation.

Resident Russ Colombo, chair of the political action committee Preserve Our Paradise, agreed that the city is reaching the end of the line with the sewering project.

He said that he was somewhat happy with the outcome of the meeting — pleased that the council was proceeding cautiously, but disappointed that the city is looking for potentially costly ways to move forward with the sewers.

The council passed both motions unanimously, showing a solidarity in voting that is rare with all things sewer.

"Anything that goes 7-0, I'm happy about," Council member Terri DiSciullo said. "I always like to see a 7-0 vote."

Councilor Chuck Kiester said he is relieved that the city has reached a consensus that will carefully guard the health of residents.

"As long we are going to stop dewatering and monitor, take baby steps, make sure that the dewatering that goes on is regulated, I'm happy," Kiester said.

Council also agreed to step up public awareness efforts by creating a pamphlet or flyer notifying residents in under-construction districts of the activities going on just beyond their doorsteps.

"I think there should be some kind of informational booklet," DiSciullo said. "Not everyone comes to the meetings."

Council hesitated to give approval to one staff request: that the city agree to pay for ENVIRON lead scientist Tim Varney to fly to Washington, D.C., to meet with Centers for Disease Control officials to discuss limits set for hydrogen sulfide exposure.

Moss said Varney believed the 20 parts per billion limit set by a CDC representative in Tallahassee was arbitrary, and deserved further scrutiny. Kiester and DiSciullo both questioned why that couldn't be done via teleconference, and the council directed Moss to get an estimate of the cost, to be presented at Monday's council meeting, before they would make a decision.

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15yearsmarco writes:

"City Council gave unanimous approval to city staff to suspend monitoring and find a new way to use existing technology in treating groundwater pumped out during construction activities"
Why is City staff looking into new ways to pump out the ground water? do they have experience in this?
Why is the council not telling QE to find a way to fix the problem before anymore ground water is pumped to the surface. This is not our problem let QE find a solution that does not put the people of Marco at risk.

exposed writes:

class action? coming ?

Russ writes:

"15yearsmarco", along with several hundred other Marco taxpayers seem to have a grip on the fairly logical, "no brainer" question concerning community safety and liability. Reportedly, the sewer contractor, Quality Enterprises, signed the city contract agreeing to be responsible for a host of conditions including SAFTEY isues. In his infinite wisdom, Councilor Tucker attempted today to "pooh-pooh" this clause claiming it could be looked into "later" because making the Contractor pay costs wasn't an urgent matter. Wouldn't it be nice if Tucker & Co. (Moss) would guard the people's money as fervently as they protect the contractor's pocketbook? Happily, timid Councilor Popoff (of all people)finally found the courage to rebuff Tucker by making a motion directing City Attorney to pursue this very contract clause. This passed 7-0, with even lame duck Tucker agreeing! (go figure...) Folks, you just can't make this stuff up! Stay tuned for more of these wannabe "Keystone Kopper Kapers"

Russ

EdFoster writes:

An additional point as I re-read the article. Hydrogen sulfide is not a "disease"; it is a chemical whose inhalation gives rise to pulmonary problems, i.e., HEALTH problems, even to the point of death. The Center for Disease Control is not the
appropriate agency to consult; the Department of Health and Human Services is. Why do these geniuses insist on consulting an agency that is not responsible for determining the toxicity of hydrogen sulfide? The Department of Health and Human Services already has and the answer is 0.02 ppm (20 ppb) for exposure durations in the order of 15 to 364 days. What grounds does Dr. Varney have to convince the DOH that they're all wrong?

Furthermore, I remain seriously concerned with the proposition that water laden with salt, hydrogen sulfide and God knows what else can be sent to our shiny new wastewater treatment plant and it will take care of the load without damaging itself. This salt-laden acidic water is not what a wastewater treatment plant is designed to treat. It's designed to treat "poop" just like a septic system is. (There's little difference between the two except for scope.) Unless we can be assured by the people who make the membranes used in the plant and other gear used therein, we're asking for trouble dumping toxic chemicals down the pipe. Can Mr. Joel assure us we will not damage our plant by pouring this stuff down the drain? If so, can we also pour waste chemicals from our homes down the drain? If that's true, this is a most amazing wastewater treatment plant!

Ed Foster

exposed writes:

My GAAD! Watching Bev Trotter is like watching a slow train wreck. Hey MICA I bettcha real proud of having 'One flew over the Cookoo's nest' Totter as your treasurer. YEEKSSS!!! YIKEESSS!
"put the ball in the hoop chief."

15yearsmarco writes:

Mr. Foster,

You make a good point about the new wastewater treatment plant, I wonder if the manufacture of the membrane filters could be contacted and asked how the water pumped from the dewatering process would affect them.
I hope our City is going to charge QE for the use of our sewer system/treatment plant if they plan to flush unknown thousands of gallons of groundwater down it.

Marcoite writes:

I get the feeling that the council just gave the city Carte Blanche to implement any "half thought out idea" it could think of to reduce the H2S that we will breathe. How is the end result going to be checked?

I was much happier with the fact that Environ was monitoring... yes we were paying but at least they were under the microscope. Who will monitor the city?
Will the numbers all be buried under the sand at the campus?

Will someone respond to tell us that this is a better outcome.

Thank you.

DawnPharmer writes:

Marcoite, think you are right, but now what happens on Marco stays on Marco. (or gets hidden here)

pepsipattyfl writes:

Oh boy now the city can do what it wants again with no one attempting to guard the citizens. At least I felt somewhat safer with Environ in place. Unfortunately Environ told the city what it didn't want to hear. We will again pay the price healthwise and otherwise for these morons. Sending that fetid water to the treatment plant? Oh goody! Now maybe we can breath it and drink it! Is there equipment in place to remove it? Maybe we can come up with an entirely new chemical mixture after it is treated with chlorine and ammonia. The only thing that is missing is a "night cream" sold by the city so we can smear the crap all over us before retiring.

EdFoster writes:

15YearsonMarco:

I've been told that the new membranes have not been installed in the WWTP. I don't know if that is true or not but the person who told me that supposedly got it from Rony Joel. If that's true, it seems to me that the plant has no more capacity than it did 3 years ago, so how are the new users on South Barfield, Tigertail and soon-to-be new users in the five districts nearing completion going to be handled? And how is the plant supposed to handle the extra load that dewatering will send to it?

If memory serves me right, the council authorized the purchase of the membranes more than 2 years ago. As I recall, the tag was something around $300,000. Are they just sitting around unused somewhere while we're running out of money and their warranty (if they have one) is running out as well?

I hope someone will take it upon themselves to check this story because, if it's true, it seems that Marco Island's mismanagement is even worse than anyone thought!

I too agree with Marcoite when he/she says they're uncomfortable with the City Utility Department monitoring itself. Adequate monitoring will be expensive whether ENVIRON does it or someone else does it but it is necessary to ensure the health and welfare of our residents. If we can't afford it, we can't afford this unnecessary, poorly designed and poorly executed project. Stop the STRP now! The City has never been able to connect "pollution" with the use of septic systems and gave up trying to years ago. The STRP has taken on a life of its own because no one has the guts to kill it.

Ed Foster

DawnPharmer writes:

Mr. Foster, do you believe Roney Joel? Wonder if you could get a straight answer from DEP?

EdFoster writes:

DawnPharmer:

Interesting question! Mr. Joel has been very careful to have laid the groundwork to cover his you-know-what every step of the way. Recall that it was Rony Joel who first told the council that asbestos was being crushed on South Collier Boulevard and at Veterans' Park. (Mr. Moss "withdrew" Mr. Joel's statement for him the next day.) It was Rony Joel who told the council that the Master Lift Station next to the Racquet Club would require chemical storage and "odor control" and that some cities put such a facility "in a building." Mr. Moss immediately said there was no intention of constructing buildings around the station. (Could that "odor" be H2S? Question never arose!) And now Rony Joel is quoted in this article as saying: "The issue of concern is how much water can we send [to the WWTP], what's the salinity and how long will it take to construct that way?" Once again, he puts the council on warning that the WWTP may not be able to handle the dewatering effluent, that this may slow down the project and increase the cost. He doesn't speculate on how long it will take to complete the STRP and how much costs will increase to implement this "fix," but he's now on record as having "warned" the council and the people.

Do I believe Rony Joel? Selectively! I think he's expert at covering himself with advance warnings that he phrases in such a way that they escape notice at the time he makes them. It could be coincidence of course, but I think Mr. Joel is a lot shrewder and sharper than many give him credit for.

As far as getting a "straight answer from DEP," it depends on what you mean by a "straight answer." In my opinion, the DEP will give you a "straight answer" if they can get it out of their rule book. If the answer to the question isn't in the rule book (and I don't think this one is), they're not about to go out on a limb. The city applies for a permit to do this that or another thing; the cognizant FDEP officer looks it up and if he can't find anything prohibiting the permit, he issues the permit. Citizens have 2 weeks to complain to Tallahassee and demand a hearing but no one knows that (and it probably would lead no where anyway) so the permit stands.

Ed Foster

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