Marco Island charter school supporters threaten lawsuit over delays

Lack of land and political support for the Marco Island charter high school may turn into a lawsuit against the Collier County School Board, the school’s proponents contend.

The charter high school is “suffering setbacks at the hands of the Collier County School Board,” according to a letter requesting intervention by the Florida Commissioner of Education Eric Smith.

The letter, sent to Smith by Marco Island Academy Chairwoman Jane Watt on Dec. 3, alleges that the school board and district have stifled the proposed school’s progress due to politics and personal attachments to Lely High School.

Lely is the zoned school for Marco Island residents.

The district has been fighting Watt every step of the way to protect what she called one of the lowest performing high schools in the U.S., consistently receiving a C or D grade from the state, she said.

School board members, including Vice Chair Roy Terry, weren’t aware of the letter and were reluctant to share their immediate reactions.

Terry reiterated, however, that the School Board voted 4 to 1 to approve the charter application Nov. 10. Board member Pat Carroll of District 1, which includes Marco Island, was the lone dissenter.

The School Board’s decision to delay their vote by three weeks caused potential financial backers to withdraw contributions, Watt said.

Then another blow came on Nov. 17, she said, when Superintendent Dennis Thompson denied a request to build on the well-known Tract K.

The 11.6 acres were deeded to the school board in 1989 by Marco Island developer Deltona Corporation at a cost of $10. Although there’s a perceived intention it be used for a school, there isn’t a deed restriction.

“Opening the school by August is our main concern. Tract K is one of many obstacles put in our path,” Watt said.

She wants Smith to make Collier County school officials follow the state’s laws regarding charter schools. However, how much Smith can help remained unclear as of Tuesday evening.

“At this point, staff is still reviewing the letter and looking to see what options we might have,” said Florida Department of Education spokeswoman Cheryl Etters.

Among the allegations of improper procedure is that the school board will withdraw their approval if the charter school doesn’t meet more deadlines set by the board, Watt said.

The academy’s requests for temporary use of property adjacent to Marco Island Charter Middle School, as well permanent use of Tract K, were both denied.

The presence of protected nesting American Bald Eagles and a new group, called the Marco Eagle Sanctuary Foundation, seeking to restrict any building on Tract K for years if Marco Island voters will agree, presents more obstacles.

“If we are unable to secure this location, it will defeat the very purpose of our community school initiative,” Watt said.

A perceived conflict of interest is behind the lack of support, Watt indicated.

“The district has a vested interest in protecting Lely financially since there are open seats as well as personally as many of the district members are closely attached to Lely,” she said.

Terry and Michele LaBute, who is the district’s chief operations officer, were former Lely principals, Watt cited. Current Lely principal, Ken Fairbanks, was on the charter review committee, and, Carroll had two children who attended Lely, Watt cited.

Funding follows students to the school they attend, so the proposed school would likely take money away from Lely, although officials haven’t shared approximately how much is at stake.

Staff writer Kate Albers contributed to this report.

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Ocram (Inactive) writes:

This is the actual letter copied from the Sun Times/

Dr. Eric J. Smith, Commissioner of Education
Florida Department of Education, Office of the Commissioner
325 W. Gaines Street
Suite 1514
Tallahassee, Florida 32399

Dec. 3, 2010

Dear Dr. Eric Smith,

I am the Chairperson and founding board member for the Marco Island Academy, a public charter high school. In January 2009, I began a grassroots effort based on the idea that world-class public education should be available to high school aged students in Collier County, Florida. After hours of research and help from others, I developed a plan to offer an innovative, unique, hands-on learning curriculum to engage students in the learning process. Please visit www.marcoislandacademy.com to learn more.

While the application was finally approved, we are currently experiencing considerable delays that will, without your intervention, make it impossible to open our school on time. In October, the charter review committee did not recommend our charter for approval based on four areas of weaknesses. The areas cited were not based on good statutory cause, but personal opinions of the review team(i.e. the cost of our portables was too low according to the district budget). On October 21, 2010, the Collier County School Board requested that the Academy delay our vote by 3 weeks. Not only did this affect our credibility with the public, several people who are interested in donating to the school, decided to take a "wait and see" attitude. During the board vote on Nov. 10, 2010, the superintendent said that upon further review, the Academy had managed to minimally meet the necessary criteria. In comparison, our consultant, who has extensive experience in charter schools in Florida, reviewed the application and said it was "the best and most comprehensive application" she had ever seen. The vote setback also caused members of the Academy board to miss the annual charter conference in Orlando, where we had hoped to meet possible candidates for the position of Director for the school.

Continued/

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Location is another issue for us. Marco Island has a unique situation because it is a self-contained island that is 4x6 miles with limited land with appropriate zoning for a school. The district recently denied our request for a temporary location adjacent to the middle school stating there was not enough property even though the middle school actually resided on the exact same property in trailers as the permanent building was being constructed. In short, it was suitable for one school, but not for us. Now the city officials are trying to help us find another temporary solution, but there is very little land available. The District also denied our request for land for a permanent location on Tract K, an 11.6 acre parcel of land that was given to the district by the developers of the island for a school. There are no other locations that are big enough to build a permanent facility on the island. If we are unable to secure this location, it will defeat the very purpose of our community school initiative.

Today I received an implementation timeline from the district that threatened to withdraw their approval if specific documents are not submitted. The deadlines set are unrealistic and many of their requirements are not based on Charter law. Clearly this is another case of regulatory reloading on behalf of the district.

Dr. Smith -- we would very much like to resolve this amicably but I am afraid we may be forced to sue the school board denying the Academy's request for both the temporary and the permanent locations which are clearly delineated useable school properties. Most importantly, we want full cooperation from the district to ensure the school opens as planned in August 2011. To avoid the expenditure and the dissension a suit will create, I am seeking your immediate intervention in the deliberations with the Collier County School Board. I trust you recognize the urgency as the clock is clicking on the time we have to get the Academy up and running. I have included more specific details in the following appendix for your review. I will call your office within the next five days to find out what you can to do help resolve our problems. The Marco Island Academy has developed one of the most innovative, schools for the state. Thank you in advance for helping us improve the quality of public schools in our community.

Respectfully,

Jane Watt, Chairperson
Marco Island Academy
239-249-0004 cell
239-394-2757
chair@marcoislandacademy.com

cc: Florida State Board of Education Members
Mr. T. Willard Fair,Chairman, State Board of Education
Dr. Akshay Desai, Member
Mr. Mark Kaplan, Member
Mr. Roberto Martinez, Member
Mr. John R. Padget, Member
Ms. Kathleen Shanahan, Member
Ms. Susan Story, Member

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

If you are either for or against the Academy.
Letters to the above Bd. of Ed. members are in order.

The State Education Dept. must KNOW what we all feel in regards to this endeavor.

Make your feelings knowm.

Joe_Btfsplk writes:

Excellent - the Marco Island Academy is starting to eat its own! A sure sign that they are imploding. Who in their right mind will provide any support for this bad idea now?

Ian_Curtis writes:

At the council meeting Mrs. Watt said that there will not be any driving age students next year at the charter school if it opens. That is incorrect. Sophomores in high school are 15. This is the legal age to have a driving permit in Florida. During the sophomore year most, if not all, turn 16. Therefore, there will be many students with driving permits and some with an actual driving license. As a parent, I would feel more comfortable allowing my child to drive to a school on the island before allowing them to drive 951 in their first year of driving. Hence, more students driving to this school than the off island schools. I assume that her statements were made from a lack of knowledge and not a purposeful lie?

areunuts writes:

So she wants them to turn the clock back six years, climb a tree and move the eagles or would she rather they just shoot them. Tract K is not going to happen! Then there is the land by the charter school...yes, there was room for the charter middle school and TBE, but now she wants to squish a high school in that neighborhood too? Her other bright idea is Veterans park, and where will everyone park? And if you put a school in how will anyone else enjoy the park? The island voted to purchased that land so it would not be developed on and now this nitwit thinks she can make threats so she can build a school on it. Does she think she owns this island. She thinks people are doing this to her, but the first problem brought up to her was...WHERE? If she has such a problem with Lely then send to them to a private school or home school them.

freedomofspeech1 writes:

"The district has been fighting Watt every step of the way to protect what she called one of the lowest performing high schools in the U.S., consistently receiving a C or D grade from the state, she said.".....So now Ms Watt is taking the offensive and attacking Lely High School. She is saying Lely is one of the lowest performing schools in the US! Ms Watt the latest FCAT results indicated Lely as a "C" school...the alleged best schools in the County were a "B"...hardly a significant difference and how does this grade make Lely one of the lowest in the US??

“The district has a vested interest in protecting Lely financially since there are open seats as well as personally as many of the district members are closely attached to Lely,” she said. Ms Watt again attacks Lely and the intentions of the school board. And what is wrong with opposing a school that is exactly as she calls it "not financially in the taxpayers of Collier County's interest? Should our elected officials ignore the financial environment in which we are in and support a school that clearly will be no different and probably less comprehensive than the existing school? Why should they not support a school that is in place and capable of providing the best education possible for the children of Marco? This charter high school is clearly being promoted out of convenience to the few young parents that dont want to leave the island. Well I have news for you...YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SUE THE SCHOOL BOARD...AND IF YOU DO...BE PREPARED TO BE EATEN ALIVE AND YOUR SCHOOL WILL NEVER GET OFF THE GROUND!

The truth to the matter is Lely is the equal to any school in the county. The county has existing schools that have room for all the children of Marco. 99% of the people on Marco are SATISFIED with the overall educational experience that Lely offers. The charter high school is a "want" and not a "need" and therefore does not have to be met with open arms by the school board and community. The charter concept is highly exaggerated when it comes to performance...they claim that they will deliver a "world class" education but in reality cannot and will not. The only thing they will deliver is a school that will allow the the Marco children to never leave the island until they attend college. This is a BAD idea...it has very little support from the Marco Island community and is only being pushed by a very small minority of what I call SPOILED BRATS that cant take NO FOR AN ANSWER! I WILL SAY IT AGAIN......NO LAND...NO SCHOOL!!!!

liberator100 writes:

A very bad idea put out by a misguided and mislead group supported by only a few elitists. Now they want to sue the School Board? They are showing their true liberal colors. When in trouble, sue someone! Maybe a letter to Obama is next on their agenda? What part of "there is no room to build a HS on Marco Island" do these people not understand? Why don't you put your efforts and energy into making Lely an "A" rated school instead of pursuing this elitist idea?

Ian_Curtis writes:

Yes, Lely was a D school 1 year and has been a C school all other years. However, Lely has improved its score for the past 3 years. This year, it was a C school even though it had the points required to be a B school. It was dropped because 50% of the 25% lowest performing students need to make certain gains. If only 49% make gains you lose a letter grade. The difference between a C or B grade can be under 10 students not making enough gains. My child went to TBE and had 5’s for math and reading all years. At MICMS he stayed flat in FCAT math and went down in reading while getting all A’s. After his first year at Lely he went up in both Math and Reading again. To say Lely is one of the “worst performing schools in the US” is not only ignorant but degrading not only to the teachers and parents of the school, but more importantly the students who attend Lely, many of which are Marco Island youth. The proponents claim it had nothing to do with Lely. They wanted a closer school on Marco. Now the truth comes out and they show their true colors.

lauralbi1 writes:

This is a move to get the Board to "give" Tract K to the MIA. We are putting a large financial offer together to the CCSB for that property as we speak to make an Eagle Sanctuary and develop 10-15 home sites.
That will stop all of this
Ed Issler

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to Klabautermann:

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KLABOTOMY,

Both you and Ms.Watt have been twisting facts to suit your own agenda for some time now. Not only do you twist facts, you, right away bring up items that have nothing to do with the subject at hand just to make the blog look worthless.

I think you are a plant by the Academy just to destroy any conversation. Why do I think this?
Because, it appears, that any proponents have been told by someone not to blog relevant information. Just let KLABOTOMY blog misdirecting, name calling, put downs. This really appears to be just that.

What ever happened to the major proponent who posted for herself a very telling comment, "I NEVER EVER LOSES, EVER! in an earlier blog. Maybe she is the one that is calling the shots now?

In other words, KLABOTOMY, BUG OFF!

MrBreeze writes:

This is whole thing from the beginning is about a very small amount of people who believe that they can make the island enclusive of all services.

This type of thinking comes from those who only think of themselves not their neighbors or the town. They usually come from and have some money and got what they wanted all their lives without having to work for anything.

They want to raise their children in this picture perfect world that they want to create without anyone stopping them.

If not allowed to get their way then they turn to the legal system for added pressure as they were taught as children to get their way by the legal system.

I said this before, no one is against education or the school it is just the location.

I say they need to look in the area of Ava Maria. That is a fine town that has been developed by a gentleman with great ideas and with lifestyle choices that have been started from the ground up.

This was done with no disruption to the town, neighbors or residents because there were none to bother the town was new.

These charter school folks want to come in to a fully built out island and "push" their agenda on us and want us to believe that if we refuse we are bad people for resisting education.

I purchased my home to retire in not to live near a school. I lived down the street from a large middle school for 31 years and it was not good. Bus and parent traffic, debris on the lawns as kids just drop things, noise and congestion all come with schools.

The proponents of the school are just pushey people who want and think they have the right to "push" as in their minds the think it is correct.

I say they need to look of the island as we just do not have room for them and if the do not get it let the judge tell them.

We as residents of the island need not to cave in to this small amount of people who want to mold the island to their world. It is time we stand up for our peace and quiet.

MrBreeze writes:

Klabautermann, you sir are are all over the board with your postings. I see you have something to say about everthing. But your posts most times insult someone so they just get diluted down by your insults.

I see your hero's are President Obama and former president Clinton. I see that although your language is broken probally due to the fact that you are using english as a second language tells me that you imigrated to this country and have reaped the benifits that it has to offer.

Secondly, if you reside on Marco Island and I do not know how long you have been on the island it tells me that you have a comfortable lifestyle.

Please sir do not just insult for pleasure, I have spoken before on topics that are important to myself, but please understand that most people on that island want to have it remain peacefull and nice.

Do not downgrade yourself by writing posts that just insult and dilute your intelligence.

MrBreeze writes:

Again, your posts have no merit. I think you should read up on the topic before just posting.

It just makes you look foolish.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

KLABOTOMY,

PLEASE STAY ON POSTED TOPIC OR BUG OFF.

ohbrther writes:

Most people do not want a high school on the island period. Work on getting Lely to an "A" grade from the state. And there is only so much land on the island, what's the song "paved paradise and put up a parking lot" is that why most people live here, to live on a parking lot?? I think not, leave our greenspace alone and send the kids to Lely.

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to lauralbi1:

This is a move to get the Board to "give" Tract K to the MIA. We are putting a large financial offer together to the CCSB for that property as we speak to make an Eagle Sanctuary and develop 10-15 home sites.
That will stop all of this
Ed Issler

Develop 10-15 home sites?

The Eagle Sanctuary wants to keep the whole lot "Green" Not develop home sites!

Also I suggest to all posting on this subject to Click on the "suggest removal" button on all of KLABBERYAPPER posts. His goal is to misdirect our comments off the subject at hand and to control the conversation.

liberator100 writes:

Klabotomy: Thank you Ocram. That is the best blog name for Uwe who wants to know why or for what we fought in Vietnam. Patriots fight in wars because they love their country. Patriots answer the call, go to war and in most cases pay the ultimate price in order to have fools like Klabotomy Uwe enjoy his otherwise miserable life on Marco Island and breathe the air of freedom. And they will continue to do so for as long as the Stars and Stripes fly over this beautiful land.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to Klabautermann:

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KLABOTOMY,

You obviously have something wrong with what brain you have left. The topic is "I never ever, lose, ever!!,,, tactics by a small group that does not care about anyone else but their own selfish wants and desires.

IF I DO NOT GET MY WAY I WILL BRING YOU TO COURT AND COST YOU LOTS OF MONEY claims Ms. Watt. Well I hope that this is the way it goes, because then we can have everything out in the open, including the list of mis-representations and who knows whatever else.

I can not wait for the court hearings to take place. Which, of course, will take many months if not years for the lawyers to bring to court. I doubt that the Academy has the time and the money.
1500 or more island residents sure does!

captnjimbo writes:

When you start manuevering that looks like politics it encourages people to go to the courts for fairness.

These parents...that are the future of our Island are feeling boxed in. What would you expect them to do. Certainly they are not elitist. They want a local school like the middle school or elementary school and since Charter schools seem to be able perform better their motivation combined with a graduation from middle school seems appropriate to me.

I still think us older Islanders (I am one of them) may be too focused on the near term and too resistant to change to be totally objective.

It would be a shame to see this in court...then the bills will start to mount and there will be a lot of wasted years and energy.

But when you put people in a corner that is what you get. Too bad for all of us.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to Klabautermann:

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Rubbish and more rubbish. Put the efforts into Lely and IMPROVE what is there, rather than digging up studies and trying to justifying a small groups desire to hurt others at no matter what cost to them. These efforts for the Academy would have gone a long way if they really cared about education for all and not just to keep their babies near home.

giggel211 writes:

in response to Ian_Curtis:

Yes, Lely was a D school 1 year and has been a C school all other years. However, Lely has improved its score for the past 3 years. This year, it was a C school even though it had the points required to be a B school. It was dropped because 50% of the 25% lowest performing students need to make certain gains. If only 49% make gains you lose a letter grade. The difference between a C or B grade can be under 10 students not making enough gains. My child went to TBE and had 5’s for math and reading all years. At MICMS he stayed flat in FCAT math and went down in reading while getting all A’s. After his first year at Lely he went up in both Math and Reading again. To say Lely is one of the “worst performing schools in the US” is not only ignorant but degrading not only to the teachers and parents of the school, but more importantly the students who attend Lely, many of which are Marco Island youth. The proponents claim it had nothing to do with Lely. They wanted a closer school on Marco. Now the truth comes out and they show their true colors.

Dear Ian_Curtis

something is wrong in your argumentation:

This is one part from the official Report Statement

Lely High School

2010 C
2009 C
2008 D
2007 D
2006 C
2005 D

Tinkers_Damn writes:

Back Fill Mackle Lake and gain about 20 acres.

Leave the desired walkway.

20_Days writes:

The Marco Eagle Sanctuary Foundation does not support any kind of building on the Tract K property. Building is counter productive to the concerns for green space and would jeopardize the protection of the Bald Eagles and their habitat.

themessiah writes:

Dear Ms. Watt, please hire Klabberyapper as the MIA English & Creative Writing Chairperson. If this post is filled, might I suggest him running the computer lab with his wonderful cut-and-paste comment skills.

Du scheißt mich an!

Ian_Curtis writes:

I stand corrected. I only remembered 1 year. However, I still believe they have made improvement gains in the last 3 years.

areunuts writes:

Why do some people assume everyone against the high school is a grandparent? I still have kids in school and I don't want this small group stealing our parks or filling in lakes (never going to happen). If you are so worried about Lely you can volunteer to help improve it or send your kids to a private school. Then again you could always home school them, but why would this mother of three want to spend that much time with her kids when she could run around town making a fool of herself and acting busy.

areunuts writes:

She is making a fool out of herself! She is raising money and trying to hire people to work at a school that exists only in her imagination. There is no place to put this school, a problem brought up in the very beginning. Why is that so hard to grasp? Most people don't want this school, but she insists they do. She needs to except the facts and move on.

areunuts writes:

There is no place for the school...that sir is a fact. Polls done by the paper have shown that most are not in favor of this school and considering her pleas to council and her threat of lawsuits, it does not appear she is getting much support from the community. She herself said people have a "not in my backyard attitude."
Yes, I do tend to write my opinion and we all know you do the same. By the way MAYBE..it's one word.

areunuts writes:

TRACT K cannot be used because of the eagles nest. Anyone that cannot understand this is making a fool of themselves. It's just not that complicated. The eagles have to be gone for six years. This school is not needed

20_Days writes:

That is a interesting thing.
If something is said in a deed the people wanting a high school interpret it in whatever way they think it will fit their needs.

But if it is LAW such as an endangered species law it does not mean anything to those same people. I would call this a double standard and totally wrong.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

I was just looking over the presentation that J. Watt made to City Council this past Monday and noticed that although she had sent out a letter to her proponents to show up in green shirts there were not more than a handfull actually showing up. I also noticed many more red shirts showing their lack of support of a Charter School on Tract K present.

Not only was there very few people showing her alleged support the children that were there were, in fact, younger than 12 years old. There appeared to be no Middle School or High School students present. This signals that not only is there little support as claimed by Ms. Watt and Co. but the students that would be involved were also not showing their support for Ms. Watt's presentation which had her usual inconsistancies and misinformation.

The day after she says that she is aware that Tract K. is filled with neighborhood people not wanting it she goes and files the letter above along with a threatened lawsuit. Kind of talking out of two sides of one's mouth, I would say.

Ok I am ready for the comeback that those students were home studying. Yeah Right more like talking to their friends at Lely I would say, too.

fastboat writes:

in response to liberator100:

A very bad idea put out by a misguided and mislead group supported by only a few elitists. Now they want to sue the School Board? They are showing their true liberal colors. When in trouble, sue someone! Maybe a letter to Obama is next on their agenda? What part of "there is no room to build a HS on Marco Island" do these people not understand? Why don't you put your efforts and energy into making Lely an "A" rated school instead of pursuing this elitist idea?

Bravo!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to liberator100:

A very bad idea put out by a misguided and mislead group supported by only a few elitists. Now they want to sue the School Board? They are showing their true liberal colors. When in trouble, sue someone! Maybe a letter to Obama is next on their agenda? What part of "there is no room to build a HS on Marco Island" do these people not understand? Why don't you put your efforts and energy into making Lely an "A" rated school instead of pursuing this elitist idea?

Why is not the simplist reason not the one that is truly the fact. The Academy people simply do not want their children to go to school with "those" at Lely. I would venture a bet that if Lely was an all white school we would not have this problem to deal with. Forget the 14 miles, forget the Cousteau curriculum, forget all the other misleading fluff.

cmonmanreally writes:

in response to Tinkers_Damn:

Back Fill Mackle Lake and gain about 20 acres.

Leave the desired walkway.

FYI. The lake is only 11 acres. And, the City will NEVER allow that...

giggel211 writes:

in response to Ocram:

I was just looking over the presentation that J. Watt made to City Council this past Monday and noticed that although she had sent out a letter to her proponents to show up in green shirts there were not more than a handfull actually showing up. I also noticed many more red shirts showing their lack of support of a Charter School on Tract K present.

Not only was there very few people showing her alleged support the children that were there were, in fact, younger than 12 years old. There appeared to be no Middle School or High School students present. This signals that not only is there little support as claimed by Ms. Watt and Co. but the students that would be involved were also not showing their support for Ms. Watt's presentation which had her usual inconsistancies and misinformation.

The day after she says that she is aware that Tract K. is filled with neighborhood people not wanting it she goes and files the letter above along with a threatened lawsuit. Kind of talking out of two sides of one's mouth, I would say.

Ok I am ready for the comeback that those students were home studying. Yeah Right more like talking to their friends at Lely I would say, too.

Did you attend that meeting?

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

I was taking care of a sick neighbor. I would have liked to though. I had a chance to look at the video and it is what it is.

waterday writes:

Marco Island is a City. This City includes a fire department,and a police department (very nice I might add), new roads, forced sewers (expensive)..a brand new bridge (thanks Obama), elem. school, charter middle school, fancy landscaping, fancy police cars, nice folks.. high paying City jobs.. expensive taxes, expensive water, expensive electric.. I say let the island have a high school. Work with this group, and support the younger generations that will be your island someday! There is enough money and families on this island to support a high school. Bring it! and shame, shame, shame on the school board and the high and mighty ones that are being thorns. Remember Karma is not nice!

waterday writes:

Ocram: I did not attend the meeting, but I support both schools. My kids go to Lely. Lely will never be an A School until Lely learns that the students that they are trying to keep are not necessarily the children getting the full benefits of the school. For this school to become an A school, more concentration needs to be given to the kids in the middle and the kids at the top. The programs at this school that get added are mostly for the English second language at home students. This route will never bring the school up to anything other than C or D. The middle kids and top students need to be given additional programs not offered at other public schools to stir interest and keep the top students and funds coming in. If Lely would work more with the middle students that do not get the extra special attention, they could make a B grade. Concentrate on your middle B students and get them up to A's, along with your English challenged that you already are helping. Lely is a better school than what many portray and it is not the perfect school that the other side is portraying. It is a public school that works and does try very hard to accommodate, but with students flunking 2-3 grades and struggling,most all funding and effort goes to these needy students, fair? no, but of course part of a very liberal public school system.

RayPray writes:

"You owe an apology to every Veteran for even thinking trash like that!"

EVEN THINKING?

How about an apology to the millions of innocent Vietnamese women and children and old people these reckless Mia Lai crazed cowboys bombed or poisoned into oblivion?

How about the 500,000 or so innocent bystanders in Iraq and Afghanistan whose lives and livings have been wiped away by their pointless bursts of doofus imperialism?

Every few weeks we wheel out these decrepit VFW fools to bore our local school kids with their tedious, unsubstantiated, and ever more filigreed tales of ancient derring-do.

Even for the ostensibly peaceful Xmas tree lighting!!!

When is enough enough for haarse-osculation of these costly parasites?

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Klabotomy,

Your interpretations of statements made by oponents........Meaningless and Misguided

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to Klabautermann:

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You want the truth, here it is.

UNOFFICIAL APPENDIX TO THE CHARTER HIGH SCHOOL APPLICATION AND THEN SOME.

Choice---------------------------------“ My choice, not anyone else’s.”

14 miles-------------------------------“A distance which is longer for my kids to travel than for your kids to travel."...... No longer a stated reason for Academy....added 12/2010

Done Deal____uttererance by Proponents in June 2010, prior to true community outrage.

Driving age in Florida.....Not correctly stated by main proponent in presentation to City Council on Dec. 6, 2010.

Bonus----------------------------------“Insignificant information added for Fluff.”

World Class---------------------------“So over used and not verifiable.”

Volunteer------------------------------“Anyone who asks a question.”

Community Support-----------------“Any group spoken to with or without their consent to be listed as such.”

Letter of Recommendation--------- “Friends writing nice things about friends.”

Infrastructure-------------------------“What infrastructure? Those costs don’t count, anyway.”

Separation of Church and State----“Let’s pretend that Law does not exist.”
Added 11/15/10 We could NOT succeed the first time so lets try to get our lawyers to get around this issue.

Commandeer------------------------- “See Ms. Watt’s letter of recommendation: last line of paragraph 4. “……..overseeing the design of the school and commandeering her “army” of over 200 volunteers.”
Note: see definition of volunteer above.

255 out of 12,000---------------------“This constitutes Community Support?”
And apparantly this constitutes the Majority of the Population living on Marco in some peoples minds.

Community Vote---------------------“That which you do not want to have in case it does not go your way.
(a.k.a. Referendum} What about it City Council?....or does public opinion not count?

Largest City in Florida without a High School of their own.......Proven to be another falsehood because there are at least 3 other Cities with higher populations in Florida without their own high School. Most of these cities also have a much higher student population than Marco has.

Child Hater.....(aka Old person, with one foot in the grave} People not for the High School on Marco according to one proponant blogger.

"I NEVER EVER LOSE, EVER!".....The rallying call of one very outspoken proponent posted several months ago on this Blog.

TRACT K.....as of 10/15/10 Rumors have it that it is back in the running, once again. Don't let the silence regarding this issue lull you into thinking that it is not being presently discussed. Now since the locals do not want it we will take it by LAWSUIT! (added 12/03/10

EAGLES.....How can we find a way to have their "lease" run out?

Final thought: Nice lesson to teach your children, if you can't get what you want, TAKE IT BY FORCE OR BETTER YET BY THREAT OF LAWSUIT!
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RayPray writes:

Time for Gunga Jane to sound her bugle!

Time to bury this ugly & divisive Marco ME-JANE Apartheid Academy!

Time to redirect this cringing horde of evil bugged-eye t-shirted imps of the privileged Gang of Watt toward enthusiastic remedial tutoring for the warm and welcoming brown & black students at close-by Lely High -- legal and otherwise!

Time for Gunga Jane to focus her paranoid ego on transforming the ugly mess that she created into a friendly island-wide initiative on the virtue of diversity!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Has anyone noticed that in Jane's letter to the State Ed. Dept. she chastised several people on the Collier County School Board for being biased as they had children that go to or went to Lely?

What about our City Council members that were originally listed as Volunteers for the Academy?
If that did not constitute being biased than what would? Another double standard, wouldn't you think?

RayPray writes:

"Your Anti-American rants...."

"I wonder how a person like you lives with himself."

Better than you and the breast-thumping tin god Obama you worship...

...who each day are responsible for multiple pointless deaths...

...of both credulous recruits and unlucky bystanders through you periodic fatuous surges of he-man firepower.

RayPray writes:

"She has a bad habit of burning her bridges before she crosses them."

A keen metaphor to clarify this certain type of socio-pathic personality!

RayPray writes:

"The veterans who give...freedom are dead since a couple of 100 years...General Washington and the founders fathers...."

So true!

For islandeye1#236971 to disparage this American Cincinatus in favor his pipsqueak idol, John Wayne Obama, with your peculiar, quasi-homoerotic attachment to the the manifestly corrupt Karzai Clan is truly impossible to fathom....

By the way, how much freedom was bestowed on me by the My Lai-mad dumb & dumber cowboy vets who pointlessly devastated much of Viet Nam?

ajm3s writes:

in response to Ocram:

You want the truth, here it is.

UNOFFICIAL APPENDIX TO THE CHARTER HIGH SCHOOL APPLICATION AND THEN SOME.

Choice---------------------------------“ My choice, not anyone else’s.”

14 miles-------------------------------“A distance which is longer for my kids to travel than for your kids to travel."...... No longer a stated reason for Academy....added 12/2010

Done Deal____uttererance by Proponents in June 2010, prior to true community outrage.

Driving age in Florida.....Not correctly stated by main proponent in presentation to City Council on Dec. 6, 2010.

Bonus----------------------------------“Insignificant information added for Fluff.”

World Class---------------------------“So over used and not verifiable.”

Volunteer------------------------------“Anyone who asks a question.”

Community Support-----------------“Any group spoken to with or without their consent to be listed as such.”

Letter of Recommendation--------- “Friends writing nice things about friends.”

Infrastructure-------------------------“What infrastructure? Those costs don’t count, anyway.”

Separation of Church and State----“Let’s pretend that Law does not exist.”
Added 11/15/10 We could NOT succeed the first time so lets try to get our lawyers to get around this issue.

Commandeer------------------------- “See Ms. Watt’s letter of recommendation: last line of paragraph 4. “……..overseeing the design of the school and commandeering her “army” of over 200 volunteers.”
Note: see definition of volunteer above.

255 out of 12,000---------------------“This constitutes Community Support?”
And apparantly this constitutes the Majority of the Population living on Marco in some peoples minds.

Community Vote---------------------“That which you do not want to have in case it does not go your way.
(a.k.a. Referendum} What about it City Council?....or does public opinion not count?

Largest City in Florida without a High School of their own.......Proven to be another falsehood because there are at least 3 other Cities with higher populations in Florida without their own high School. Most of these cities also have a much higher student population than Marco has.

Child Hater.....(aka Old person, with one foot in the grave} People not for the High School on Marco according to one proponant blogger.

"I NEVER EVER LOSE, EVER!".....The rallying call of one very outspoken proponent posted several months ago on this Blog.

TRACT K.....as of 10/15/10 Rumors have it that it is back in the running, once again. Don't let the silence regarding this issue lull you into thinking that it is not being presently discussed. Now since the locals do not want it we will take it by LAWSUIT! (added 12/03/10

EAGLES.....How can we find a way to have their "lease" run out?

Final thought: Nice lesson to teach your children, if you can't get what you want, TAKE IT BY FORCE OR BETTER YET BY THREAT OF LAWSUIT!
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...

This rebuttal will serve as a reminder to me never to engage with a creative mind without due diligence. This stuff is priceless, regardless of your positions.

Excellent!

captnjimbo writes:

I suppose only a few are reading this far down the blog...but way back there someone suggested filling in part of the pond at Mackle park. Aside from being a place to ride a bike or take a walk (we have hundreds of miles of sidewalks)what real function does that pond provide? Perhaps it is a retention pond, a source of fresh water, is it spring fed? It looks man made to me, can it be reduced in size and still provide what it does now? Politically would it clear the way to make K a permanent park area serving the north side of the Island?

Does anybody know the history of how Mackle park was developed?

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to Klabautermann:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

UNOFFICIAL APPENDIX TO THE CHARTER HIGH SCHOOL APPLICATION AND THEN SOME.

Asking you whether you agree with the above is like asking if you agree with an English dictionary. Not very relevant, I would say.

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