MIA is ‘MIA’ no more – Marco Island Academy lays out plans for coming school year

MIA stands for Marco Island Academy. Of course, it also stands for “missing in action,” and that is how a hometown Marco Island high school has seemed to many. At a meeting Thursday evening at Marco Island Charter Middle School, all that changed. While past meetings had focused on the concerns of adjoining property owners at the proposed Tract K location, Thursday’s gathering was all about the nuts and bolts of the coming school year.

With Tract K still in question but possibly being set aside for the Eagle (see Friday’s story online), the school will start operations in modular buildings at a temporary, 5.8-acre location off San Marco Blvd. The first students, freshmen and sophomores, are scheduled to begin classes in just six months.

Chairman Jane Watt introduced the school’s first staff members to a crowd of approximately 150 in the MICMS gym. Hired after a nationwide search, Chris Pellant, the new charter high school’s principal, told the group “this is a dream job for me.”

The MIA athletic director, Roger Raymond, is already familiar to Marco Island as head of the MICMS athletic department. He reminded the audience that, just like the new charter high school, the grounds where MICMS stands now was nothing but bare ground and sandspurs not too long ago.

Video and music producer Mark Haffner, who will work with students to produce audio/visual materials, was also introduced, and clips of his work shown. He has produced videos for clients as diverse as Sean “Puffy” Combs, Busta Rhymes, Folger’s Coffee and Walt Disney Productions. Altogether, about 60 interested teachers have applied for the nine positions available, the audience was told.

For the first time at Thursday’s meeting, enrollment packages were handed out to prospective students and their families. Watt told the group that the school can accommodate a maximum of 125 students to begin with, but can start with fewer. Average class size, she said, would be 24.

“We can operate with 62 to 75 students,” she said, “and we certainly hope to have more. Once we hit capacity, we will go to a lottery system” for student enrollment, said Watt, urging interested families to get their enrollment forms returned to the school as soon as possible. “We’re starting to mail the packets tomorrow. It’s first come, first served.”

The school, as a public charter school, will have open enrollment, and there is no tuition, she said, but “we’re always happy for any donation. Last year, we raised $50,000 without knowing what we’re doing.” She offered that anyone donating $5 million could have the school named for them.

Parents are urged to volunteer if financial contributions are a hardship, and Watt emphasized that volunteers are expected to be the lifeblood of the school. Speaking about sports and activities, she said there would undoubtedly be many opportunities for carpooling to events.

“This school is parent-driven – literally,” said Watt. At the same time, bus service will be provided within a ten-mile radius through the Collier County Public Schools, and lunches will most likely be prepared at Tommie Barfield Elementary, she said. In response to one question, Watt said yes, the school would have a dress code, to her own daughter’s dismay.

Raymond fielded many questions from prospective parents about what sports will be offered. Initially, he mentioned golf, cross-country, volleyball, soccer and tennis, with others to be added as the school grows. Students who want to play a sport not offered at MIA would be eligible to go to the district school they are zoned for and participate there, he said, so for instance, Marco teens could play football at Lely High School.

Watt praised the community involvement, saying the school will work with anyone, and they are already collaborating with the Y and the City of Marco. She announced two events – a Super Bowl package with the Marriott, and a 5K run scheduled for March 12.

Marco parent Michael Vale rose to thank Watt and her team for their hard work and dedication in making the dream of a Marco Island high school possible, and the room erupted in applause.

“My daughter is in eight grade, and there are more behind her,” said Vale, who said altogether, he has nine children.

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captnjimbo writes:

5 million a little steep, but I could do a brick at the entrance!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

“We can operate with 62 to 75 students,” she said, “and we certainly hope to have more"

Down by half the numbers quoted less than two months ago.

Lets see, 9 teachers for 62 students,
plus a principal and AD. Hmmmm where is the money, coming from? Class/teacher ratio getting quite thin. Don't you think?

It does not seem that too many of the parents of the MMS are signing up.
Maybe you need a bit more push and shove to convince some more of the parents?

You did not say how many have signed up already.
It seems the 62 students is now a minimal goal you have not reached yet. Otherwise you would have shouted it out.

When those signed up will see how few are actually attending, I predict the numbers will drop.

Ian_Curtis writes:

Athletic practice begins right after school at Lely. There is no way a student at the MIA can finish their day (they are starting later and finishing later than Lely according to their past information) and make it to Lely for practice. Please stay with reality and not pipe dreams. If you go to the MIA, you will not be able to play a sport at Lely. It is not time feasible.

freedomofspeech1 writes:

No Football, Baseball, Basketball..Band...the 3 major sports/activities that kids want to play. Lets be realistic. If you go to this school you will NOT be participating in ANY of these activities. You will NOT be welcome at LELY...you re relegating your final four years of school to a moldy trailer with limited activities and opportunites. Any parent that considers this has either a "strange" child or needs to have his or her head examined! You are ruining your childs high school experience for your own selishness. But then again that is the "Marco Mentality"! Enjoy the hot lunches catered by TBE catering because there will be no gym, cafeteria or auditorium....WHAT KIND OF JOKE IS THIS? They be mooching off the Middle School. If I were the principal of that school Id tell them to take hike! No one helped them for 7 years! Good Luck Tortoise Heads!

MarcoDefender writes:

Ocram - They just opened enrollment, sit back and watch this come together. A year from now you'll be biting your lips with anger. Too bad, you could be part of a great, positive change for students, the city and this community. I hope you come to your senses at some point.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

MarcoDefender,

What I am watching a group of well meaning people being led by a smaller group of "snake oil" salesmen.
You are right, time will tell. But when the bottom falls out, which it will, your leaders will high tail it out of town leaving the rest of you to figure out what happened. Maybe you will come to your senses before that happens and not ruin you kid's high school memories.

LadueVGilleo writes:

Well said islandeye. A high school on Marco might be a good thing, but I don't see the Marco Island Academy getting it done.

Fossil writes:

islandeye: Who are "we"? More importantly, what are the "we" defending Marco Island from? I fail to see how a group of parents attempting to establish a place to educate their children can be harmful to Marco Island. Your opinion that varsity sports are an important part of education, fails to account for the 80 percent of our student bodies that do not benefit from this activiity. Every boy in Ameica does not have the opportunity to become an NFL star, that's reserved for the gifted. What promises do varsity sports offer our young women? Equal pay? Although women's basketball is popular, none of their talent has any hope of earning the salaries the NBA offers. Why not give the 80 percent a chance to use their time to gain an education and excell at life. Public education has been exposed as a failing money pit. Give the Academy a chance, it may prove to be an effective avenue to success for our children. Our children deserve a chance. Help give our hometown it's own school. This is a good story and your negativity is starting to sound redundent. Is there nothing you would champion?

Brisla writes:

I am in favor of the school, but I agree that MIA kids won't be able to participate in Lely sports. The timing just isn't feasible, plus there will be a bias in the selection process against MIA students. MIA needs to offer the big 4 sports (football, baseball, basketball, soccer) in order to attract the premier athletes - many of whom are also the premier students. A school's identity is established by it's football team; without one, it'll be a school of geeky science nerds.

happyhorowitz34145 writes:

So,I don't get it!
"The school, as a public charter school,will have open enrollment,and there is no tuition" Jane Watt says.
So, why does someone have to voluteer if they have a financial hardship?
No tuition means FREE!!!
So, the Collier County School system is supplying and paying for school buses and the same system is now paying for the lunches to be prepared at TBE?
So, how do the 62 to 75 lunches go from TBE to MIA?
Bus service at a ten mile radius?
Is Isles of Capri,Fiddlers Creek, and 6L Farms is in that ten mile radius?
Watt says "first come, first served". So, that means that if 15 kids from, lets say, 6L Farms and 10 kids from Isles of Capri get their enrollment forms in first, that 25 children from Marco will not be able to go to MIA?
So, let me get this right,I have to volunteer at a school that has no tuition and no sports program and I have to carpool someone elses kid to an "event" in Naples after school?. Yeah, Right!!

blondie writes:

Fossil, you have a very narrow view of the benefits of a sports program. The sole purpose of one is not to prepare students for careers in professional sports. Sports teaches students more than the "rules of the game". First of all we all need some exersice in our lives. It helps with heart rates, body development. Track, tennis, golf etc. are life long activities that can be played all of our lives.
More importantly, when your child gets out into the REAL world in their chosen professions, you do and will come in contact with people from every race, familiy backgrounds, IQ level, salary levels and on and on. You do not live or grow up in a homogenized world. We are a nation and world made up of many backgrounds and mixtures who do and must be involved with each other in school, work, recreation, neighborhood and so on. Preparing your children for a successful life means preparing them to live in the real world wherever they go.
If you are cooncerned about your child being in a school of mixed backgrounds, think a minute. How many of your family came to America on the Mayflower? Each one of us has some degree of a culture mixture and it seems that this makes the most interesting people, life styles and foods.
How many of you go out for Chinese, Italian, Mexican, Polish, Greek, Cuban and so on.

ajm3s writes:

in response to happyhorowitz34145:

So,I don't get it!
"The school, as a public charter school,will have open enrollment,and there is no tuition" Jane Watt says.
So, why does someone have to voluteer if they have a financial hardship?
No tuition means FREE!!!
So, the Collier County School system is supplying and paying for school buses and the same system is now paying for the lunches to be prepared at TBE?
So, how do the 62 to 75 lunches go from TBE to MIA?
Bus service at a ten mile radius?
Is Isles of Capri,Fiddlers Creek, and 6L Farms is in that ten mile radius?
Watt says "first come, first served". So, that means that if 15 kids from, lets say, 6L Farms and 10 kids from Isles of Capri get their enrollment forms in first, that 25 children from Marco will not be able to go to MIA?
So, let me get this right,I have to volunteer at a school that has no tuition and no sports program and I have to carpool someone elses kid to an "event" in Naples after school?. Yeah, Right!!

You are asking too many questions, and I am just starting to understand this MIA stuff. I have been reading the website and listened to Ms. Watts presentations, and I still come out of the room dizzy.

I guess location does matter based on bus routing, but if the school is located on the island, the range encompassed from a ten mile radius is primarily sea and mangroves.

Interesting, I guess that will not help many economically disadvantaged children in East Naples. But we should not worry, they have Lely.

It is what we as cavedwellers refer to as an example of 'natural selection" in preparing our MIA student roster. I believe, those who suspect "elitism" as a guiding principle of the grand design of the MIA may be on to something.

I have gone on record that I believe in choice, but now who gets to choose? I believe folks should be allowed to have choices in where their children are to be educated. I am just weary of those on the MIA board who are making the choices for us which limit those that perhaps can be served.

Keep the questions coming, this way we won't torment the gopher tortoises.

LOL

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Not a Miss, she now has a husband who she plays golf with. She needs him to protect her from the kids she calls criminals for E. Naples. Now she is praising ALL the buses coming to San Marco, coming from where?

By the way you only need two buses for 62 kids, if that. And where are those kids going to have to wait to catch the bus from off Island? HMMMMMM????

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

i-eye,

She said that they played golf at the Rookery which somehow had a fundraiser for the Academy.
Maybe they are thinking of sending some of kids Herzili has the nerve to call criminals over here on scholarship.

naples_rocket writes:

get a life, people!!

lauralbi1 writes:

We will have a Petition soon that will stop this in it's tracks. A Residential Buffer Amendment to the City Charter. I hope that all of you participate in getting this on the 2012 Ballot.

It just takes awhile to get all the preliminary items done.
Ed Issler

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to naples_rocket:

get a life, people!!

Interesting comment. That is exactly what those residents being sacrificed for someone else's dream had before this all started.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Marieanne, Spirit of Klabauterman, accuser of E.Naple's student criminals.

"They are coming to take you away ha, ha, ho ho, he, he,....to the funny farm, ha, ha, ho, he, he."

livingonmarco writes:

Freedom of Speech:
you say for the Principal of the middle school to not get involved and run - guess what he is involved and very tightly. The high school will be doing their business at the middle school you mark my words.

MarcoDefender writes:

in response to islandeye1#236971:

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Islandeye - No denying, if they want a true "C" rated HS experience, they are free to choose Lely. That's the value of choice. Portable classrooms are part of school life in Collier County, and there will be many more with Amendment 8. The building is not important, but the learning, the opportunity, the charter experience, being in the community and having local support (you excluded), are what's important. Besides, pioneers made this country and island what it is today, to curse them would be to hypocritical since you now enjoy what those pioneers created for you, for all of us on Marco. Get your priorities straight, kids need and deserve more advocacy than turtles.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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Blogger above,

PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER ONCE AGAIN.

Fossil writes:

islandeye: You missed my point. It's all about priorites and how does a system best serve the majority. If your resources are limited then your decisions are easier. The goals and objectives you seek to achieve are more limited. I'm only suggesting that schools who focus on the student and the quility of the education will better serve the greater number. The objective of every education stystem is to provide a good education. This inititive seems to be more about providing a good education for the students in our home town. If that means it makes more nerds, so be it. The rest of the world we compete in, do not place social and sports at a very high level in their education systems. Perhaps it's time we get back to the three r's and put the money where it will do the most good. If not, learn how to speak Chinese because one day, they will own the NFL and all of network/cable television.

happyhorowitz34145 writes:

in response to ajm3s:

You are asking too many questions, and I am just starting to understand this MIA stuff. I have been reading the website and listened to Ms. Watts presentations, and I still come out of the room dizzy.

I guess location does matter based on bus routing, but if the school is located on the island, the range encompassed from a ten mile radius is primarily sea and mangroves.

Interesting, I guess that will not help many economically disadvantaged children in East Naples. But we should not worry, they have Lely.

It is what we as cavedwellers refer to as an example of 'natural selection" in preparing our MIA student roster. I believe, those who suspect "elitism" as a guiding principle of the grand design of the MIA may be on to something.

I have gone on record that I believe in choice, but now who gets to choose? I believe folks should be allowed to have choices in where their children are to be educated. I am just weary of those on the MIA board who are making the choices for us which limit those that perhaps can be served.

Keep the questions coming, this way we won't torment the gopher tortoises.

LOL

I apologize for asking too many questions, but I was taught in my one room school house that asking questions makes a person, that more informed.
As for kids from East Naples, a ten mile radius is not measured by driving, but as they say on the farm, "as the crow flies" , and that straight lined radius takes in alot of East Naples.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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Hey Jane Watt et. al.

Why do you have to do national searches for teachers if you have Herzili and Klabautermann? Just think you would not have to pay them. They can teach the high schooler's everything they have to know and more including what it takes to be an American.

MarcoParent writes:

I haven't seen anything on accreditation...will the MIA be accredited?? Isn't it harder to get into college if your high school is not accredited? My son went to Lely after the Charter Middle School and loved it! He did really well and was accepted at all of the Colleges he applied to (not an easy task considering the level of colleges he applied to). He was not into sports so the Lely offerings did not matter to him, but colleges like to see well rounded kids and he did join several of Lely's great clubs (National Honor Society, The Academic Team, etc). I asked him if he would have wanted to go to a Charter High School on the Island instead of Lely and he replied “NO WAY”. He had excellent teachers and never had any problems whatsoever.

I had my misgivings about my son going to Lely in the beginning also, after hearing some of the rumors (yes, they are not factual) out there. In the end, I am so satisfied with the experiences and the excellent education he received at Lely.

But, to each his own as they say!

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

PREVIOUS BLOG HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU BY NO OTHER THAN AND AS ALWAYS:

PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER, BY THE GHOST OF KLABAUTERMANN.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

SUPPORT LELY AND RECEIVE A "REAL, HONEST TO GOODNESS" HIGH SCHOOL EXPERIENCE!

IF NEEDED, PUT YOUR EFFORTS INTO IMPROVING AREAS OF YOUR CONCERN IN ORDER TO BENEFIT ALL.

RECEIVE AN EDUCATION FROM EDUCATORS AND ADMINISTRATORS WITH YEARS OF ON THE JOB EXPERIENCE.

YOU WILL BE HAPPY AND YOU CHILDREN WILL BE HAPPY YOU DID.

MarcoTrojan writes:

I find the numbers that Jane Watt has provided quite strange. She says there will be nine teachers... for two grade levels. This means that the teachers will have to most likely do double duty instead of specializing in one subject area. Also a class size of 24 is simply not feasible for the low number of students they will have. Certainly these students will all be at different levels intellectually? Requiring more than just two different classes of science or math per grade level right? What about AP classes? And what will these teachers be doing when they are done with their three class periods? Idling in the teacher-lounge-portable?

Let's be realistic... There is no way this school will feasibly work and when there is a nearby High School with planty of empty seats as is it is just rediculous.

JGAFF writes:

This academy is a Jane Watt fantasy! Hope her children enjoy Lely!

MarcoTrojan writes:

in response to MarcoParent:

I haven't seen anything on accreditation...will the MIA be accredited?? Isn't it harder to get into college if your high school is not accredited? My son went to Lely after the Charter Middle School and loved it! He did really well and was accepted at all of the Colleges he applied to (not an easy task considering the level of colleges he applied to). He was not into sports so the Lely offerings did not matter to him, but colleges like to see well rounded kids and he did join several of Lely's great clubs (National Honor Society, The Academic Team, etc). I asked him if he would have wanted to go to a Charter High School on the Island instead of Lely and he replied “NO WAY”. He had excellent teachers and never had any problems whatsoever.

I had my misgivings about my son going to Lely in the beginning also, after hearing some of the rumors (yes, they are not factual) out there. In the end, I am so satisfied with the experiences and the excellent education he received at Lely.

But, to each his own as they say!

Thank you for posting this. I hope more people will realize that Lely is a perfectly fine school and that a wonderful education can be obtained there. I myself am a student at Lely and I don't believe I am receiving a "C" rated experience. It is funny how many people bash public education but then use state standards to rate a school instead of having first hand experience as to what the school is really like.

GrannySchmidt writes:

Thank you Marco Eagle for the indepth article on the Thursday's MIA open-house held at the MICMS. Thanks for the quotes, many photographs,the introduction of the princiapal and what MIA has offer the incoming students.

My question is:WHERE IS THE INDEPTH ARTICLE ON LAST TUESDAY'S (Jan.25) LELY HIGH SCHOOL'S OPEN HOUSE HELD AT THE MICMS?

No quotes, no photographs and no mention that Principal Fairbanks, Assitant Prinicpal Ricciardeli and Teacher Jennifer Gaddis gave a presentation on what LELY HS has to offer incoming students.

"Lely High School Principal Ken Fairbanks talks to a group of parents and students Tuesday evening at Marco Island Charter Middle School. The orientation evening highlighted the school's academic, sports and extra-mural activities." (Quentin Roux/marcoislandflorida.com)Sun Times 1/27/11

School Representatives will make a follow-up visit in April....perhaps the Eagle will be impartial and report the forthcoming visit as enthusiastically as it did the MIA visit.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Marco Island Eagle Editor,

What we are looking for is complete, ALL SIDES INCLUDED, truth in journalism.

What we are looking for is the whole story to be presented in an un-bised manner so that parents and students will get a total picture of what all of the facts are and as a result they can make their choice in a completely educated way.

Is this too much to ask?

MarcoTrojan writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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Mrs. Herzili, are you aware that many students each year from Lely are accepted into the University of Florida? In recent years we've had students go on to Harvard and Princeton as well. UF is one of the colleges that I will be considering to attend myself. I also do not see how you can apply the grade of a school to its entire population. I only missed one question on the FCAT reading last year and I can assure you that other students from Lely were just as successful as I was. I simply do not understand how one can be so ignorant as to label an entire school with a single State issued letter grade.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

You must be kidding Ms. Herzili,

We are supposed to believe what you have to say without any proof, just because you said it? Sounds like a "Snake Oil" salesman to me.

Your own sentence structure leaves doubts to a single blogging authenticity. It jumps back and forth between Klabautermannisms and Herzilisms.

Anybody can make claims that are unsubstantiated.

The proof will be in the pudding that's if it ever gets tasted.

Jojo writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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Obviously you must have attended a one room school house in Timbukto, because you have no concept of what it takes to have a quality school. Principal with little if no back ground, 9 teachers,...good luck. Trailor park classrooms good luck. I think you just love to hear your self talk. Too bad no one is listening. The old saying goes "lights on, no one home".

Is_It_True_Partially_True_Or_Not_True (Inactive) writes:

in response to Jojo:

Obviously you must have attended a one room school house in Timbukto, because you have no concept of what it takes to have a quality school. Principal with little if no back ground, 9 teachers,...good luck. Trailor park classrooms good luck. I think you just love to hear your self talk. Too bad no one is listening. The old saying goes "lights on, no one home".

JoJo I thinks you rite, she also wants us pay her electric bill, to.

TrojanPride writes:

We already have a great school in Lely. Anyone bashing the C 'grade' should be aware of the grading system and what is required to improve to the next level. It has nothing to do with the mid-upper 75% of the school. They could all be straight A students and still not improve the state-issued grade level. It is up to the bottom 25% to improve their standardized test scores. These are NOT dumb kids. Most of them are new to America, yet have to take this test in English one year and one day after hitting our soil. Yes they should learn English, but take anyone on the MIA board or anyone on this blog and make them take a high school standardized test in a foreign language and see how well they do. Why not use the time and efforts and lobby for new state laws and guidelines in order to help all the kids?

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

M.I.L.A. (Muslims Intent on Learning and Activism) ????????

And you just admitted to be one or two people. That is quite different than what you posted in the past. Tell us now, where you lying in the past or are you lying now?

Jojo writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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again "lights on no one home"

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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Brought to you, once again by:

PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER

NoRulesInKansas (Inactive) writes:

in response to MarcoIslandWoman:

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MIA IS ALL FLUFF........

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

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Ocram (Inactive) writes:

That is entirely wrong, but is one example out of thousands of excellent teachers. So you condemn all other teachers for that. How s----- can you get?

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

No, and lets stop fooling yourself..or trying to fool anyone else...The interpretation is once again you knocking ALL of America by using the statement of American High School standard as you did.

And as to your final statement, which is most correct. It is only a "guess" by anyone whether or not a charter high school will be any better. No one will know, for a fact, anything more than that.

So now the question that has been asserted many times before. How could the Charter High School claim itself to be "World Class' without having had a single day of classes?

Unsubstantiated Fluff.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Once again you answer shows that you have no proof of anything other than to Pile it Higher and Deeper.

NoRulesInKansas (Inactive) writes:

so can someone tell us how GungaJane did with the wedding dress sale? Inquiring minds - did they make a mint on the going out of business sale? Everyone knows that it could be bad luck to wear someone else's wedding dress - just like those estate wedding rings - BAD JUJU BAD BAD JUJU

MarcoCitizen writes:

This school is a major s----- idea. Short change the kids and to give Jane an ego boost. Are you proud Jane?

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

Once again I hear that the MIA is infuriated with the Marco Eagle Sanctuary for going after Tract K. Who on this green earth do think they are? Are the majority of the citizens on Marco Island going to let them threaten their way into suing the Board of Education or manipulating the City Council into letting them bring to Marco something that the vast Majority of the citizenry does not want???

There is no proof of that you may say, so let there be a referendum without all of this behind the scenes drama.

One has to remember that it appears that 4 members of this city council should recuse themselves from any appearance of conflict of interest in this matter and stand by Councilman Reckers word that it is not up to City Council to decide for the Board of Education of how to dispose of the property.

Come on folks they are going to be finally talking about this tonite at the Council meeting as it is finally on the Agenda. Has this council been manipulated by a small interest group into deciding what this city needs without a referendum? Does the MIA have something on these Council members? How disingenuous can people be?

COME OUT AND BE HEARD and put an end to this charade.

Ocram (Inactive) writes:

And do us a big favor Herzili, aka Klabautermann and stand by your own ever bragged about words of calling for a referendum since last July.

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