FACT CHECK: Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech

Republican vice presidential candidate, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. gestures during a walk through ahead of his delivering a speech at the Republican National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 29, 2012 in Tampa, Fla. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

Republican vice presidential candidate, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. gestures during a walk through ahead of his delivering a speech at the Republican National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 29, 2012 in Tampa, Fla. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

EDITOR'S NOTE _ An occasional look at claims made in political campaigns and how they adhere to the facts.

WASHINGTON— Laying out the first plans for his party's presidential ticket, GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts Wednesday night when he attacked President Barack Obama's policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit.

Sen. Rob Portman, a former U.S. trade representative, glossed over his own problems when critiquing Obama's trade dealings with China. A day earlier, the convention's keynote speaker, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, bucked reality in promising that GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney will lay out for the American people the painful budget cuts it will take to wrestle the government's debt and deficit woes under control.

And former senator and presidential candidate Rick Santorum stretched the truth in taking Obama to task over his administration supposedly waiving work requirements in the nation's landmark welfare-to-work law.

A closer look at some of the words spoken at the GOP convention in Tampa, Fla.:

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RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.

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RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.

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RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

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RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.

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CHRISTIE: "Mitt Romney will tell us the hard truths we need to hear to end the torrent of debt that is compromising our future and burying our economy. ... Tonight, our duty is to tell the American people the truth. Our problems are big and the solutions will not be painless. We all must share in the sacrifice. Any leader that tells us differently is simply not telling the truth."

THE FACTS: Romney has made a core promise to cut $500 billion per year from the federal budget by 2016 to bring spending below 20 percent of the U.S. economy, and to balance it entirely by 2020.

His campaign manifesto, however, is almost completely devoid of the "hard truths" Christie promises. In fact, Romney is promising to reverse $716 billion in Medicare savings achieved by Obama over the coming decade and promises big increases in military spending as well, along with extending tax cuts for everyone, including the wealthiest.

The few specifics Romney offers include repealing Obama's health care law, cutting federal payrolls, weaning Amtrak from subsidies, cutting foreign aid and curbing the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled.

But it'll take a lot more than those steps for Romney to keep his vague promises, which are unrealistic if he's unwilling to touch Medicare and Social Security in the coming decade. Even the controversial budget plan of his vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., largely endorsed by Romney, leaves Medicare virtually untouched over the next 10 years.

What's left for Romney to cut is benefit programs other than Medicare and Social Security, which include food stamps, welfare, farm subsidies and retirement benefits for federal workers. The remaining pot of money includes the day-to-day budgets of domestic agencies, which have already borne cuts under last year's budget deal. There's also widespread congressional aversion to cutting most of what remains on the chopping block, which includes health research, NASA, transportation, air traffic control, homeland security, education, food inspection, housing and heating subsidies for the poor, food aid for pregnant women, the FBI, grants to local governments, national parks and veterans' health care.

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PORTMAN: "Take trade with China. China manipulates its currency, giving it an unfair trade advantage. So why doesn't the president do something about it? I'll tell you one reason. President Obama could not run up his record trillion-dollar deficits if the Chinese didn't buy our bonds to finance them. Folks, we are as beholden to China for bonds as we are to the Middle East for oil. This will end under Mitt Romney."

THE FACTS: Portman is an expert on commerce, having served as President George W. Bush's trade representative from May 2005 to May 2006. But he didn't fare particularly well in stemming China's trade advantage, either.

Under Portman's watch, the U.S. trade deficit with China soared by 25 percent in 2005, and the next year it climbed more than 15 percent. By contrast, the deficit rose 10 percent over the first three years of Obama's presidency, according to U.S. government figures.

Both the Bush and Obama administrations have launched unfair trade cases against China at the World Trade Organization, but neither has been able to rebalance the relationship.

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SANTORUM: "This summer (Obama) showed us once again he believes in government handouts and dependency by waiving the work requirement for welfare. Now, I helped write the welfare reform bill. We made a lot crystal clear. No president can waive the work requirement, but as with his refusal to enforce our immigration laws, President Obama rules like he is above the law."

THE FACTS: The administration did not waive the work requirement. Instead, it invited governors to apply on behalf of their states for waivers of administrative requirements in the 1996 law. Some states have complained those rules tie up caseworkers who could be helping clients directly.

In a July 18 letter to congressional leaders, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that to be eligible for a waiver, governors must commit that their plans will move at least 20 percent more people from welfare to work. Moreover, states must show clear progress toward the goal within a year, or lose the waiver.

"We will not accept any changes that undercut employment-focused welfare reforms that were signed into law fifteen years ago," Sebelius wrote.

Ron Haskins, a former senior Republican House aide who helped write the welfare-to-work law, has said "there is merit" to the administration's proposal and "I don't see how you can get to the conclusion that the waiver provision undermines welfare reform and it eliminates the work requirement."

Haskins, now co-director of the Brookings Center on Children and Families, says the administration was wrong to roll out its proposal without first getting Republicans to sign off on it. But he said the idea itself is one both parties should be able to agree on, were it not for the bitter political divisions that rule Washington.

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Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Andrew Taylor, Henry C. Jackson and Bradley Klapper contributed to this report.

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1Paradiselost writes:

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it".

Adolf Hitler

KlausStoertebeker writes:

The trouble with our ultra rights Republicans friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

muskybob writes:

Where did you get your facts?? possibly Chris Matthews at MSNBC

laslic writes:

One universal qualification for politrickians is that of being a liar.

KlausStoertebeker writes:

Romney? Spell it correct: R-Money!
Not the solution for America.
Great President Barack Obama is the solution for America. That's all Folks.

1Paradiselost writes:

Where's his tax returns?

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to rolomokat:

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Here's another.....

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.

It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State".

Josph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister

ajm3s writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it".

Adolf Hitler

The genesis of propaganda. However, what will we call the recent introduction of "fact checking" sites now flooding the web: truth?

Propaganda wrapped in propaganda?

Maybe we need to "fact check" the "fact checkers".

Or we can view life as ideologues and choose to feed the right wing zealotry, I offer:

www.rightwingnews.com/column-2/new-york-times-fact-checkers-bed-rest-is-work/

RayPray writes:

in response to ajm3s:

The genesis of propaganda. However, what will we call the recent introduction of "fact checking" sites now flooding the web: truth?

Propaganda wrapped in propaganda?

Maybe we need to "fact check" the "fact checkers".

Or we can view life as ideologues and choose to feed the right wing zealotry, I offer:

www.rightwingnews.com/column-2/new-york-times-fact-checkers-bed-rest-is-work/

'Fact Checking'

A gift from the puppet-masters of our great OBAMA to lazy & stupid 'journalists'.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article...

KlausStoertebeker writes:

in response to rolomokat:

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ajm3s writes:

in response to RayPray:

'Fact Checking'

A gift from the puppet-masters of our great OBAMA to lazy & stupid 'journalists'.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article...

Excellent! Which leads me to state, although I cannot claim as a "fact": if the author of a fact checker is from the press, it may simply be an extension of propaganda.

My new message: Reader Beware!

ajm3s writes:

Let me continue on "fact check":

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editori...

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to ajm3s:

Let me continue on "fact check":

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editori...

Pictures don't LIE! The GM Janesville plant closed on 12-23-08. Bush was still in charge.

http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleri...

ajm3s writes:

Not to take over the comment section of this article, but I cannot let this go. In my last comment I sent a link from Investors Business Daily, FROM ITS EDITORIAL SECTION, yet this article is more credible than the article that Marco Eagle chose to run as provided by the Associated Press, with a very wide readership-- under the heading of news!

IBD is accurate to place such an article on "fact check" in the EDITORIAL section, whereas, most news and press place such "fact check" analysis in the news section with a connotation of "fact".

Folks, wake up! A more accurate picture of the press lies hidden in the editorial section of other subscriptions rather than the NEWS section of other organizations.

While AP "fact check" reporting is used disproportionately to promote a left leaning agenda.

Just my opinion!

Paradise Lost is LOST

ajm3s writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Pictures don't LIE! The GM Janesville plant closed on 12-23-08. Bush was still in charge.

http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleri...

You kill me! The Janesville plant shut down later. How do I know, I use to go there when I worked for Koch, you know those evil rich folks that sell stuff and represent the evil right wing

http://www.freep.com/article/20120831...

1Paradiselost writes:

Actually, the Janesville Gazette (local paper to the plant) shows photographic evidence in this article, which is showing the plant line closing and the date on the sign in the photo is 12-23-08.

The point you make about editorials and fact checking does not hold relevance in this case. Pictures don't lie.

After the plant closed, there were some residual contract orders for non-GM vehicles that needed to be filled, so a small group of people stayed on to fill those orders, but all the union employees were gone and the plant was still considered officially closed.

http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleri...

ajm3s writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Actually, the Janesville Gazette (local paper to the plant) shows photographic evidence in this article, which is showing the plant line closing and the date on the sign in the photo is 12-23-08.

The point you make about editorials and fact checking does not hold relevance in this case. Pictures don't lie.

After the plant closed, there were some residual contract orders for non-GM vehicles that needed to be filled, so a small group of people stayed on to fill those orders, but all the union employees were gone and the plant was still considered officially closed.

http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleri...

Nice spin! "Officially" closed on December, 2008? Is that from the official GM or state agency spokesperson?

I guess the post production and efforts were "unofficial" per state agency?

LOL

1Paradiselost writes:

The point is that it was closed as a GM plant in 2008. If it continued non-GM business for a short time afterward.

It really has no bearing on the claims that the Obama administration had any way been responsible, the deal was decided by GM months earlier before he ever took office.

Please take some time out to read the local Janesville Gazette showing Photos of workers during GM's last day of SUV production.

http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleri...

1Paradiselost writes:

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it".

Adolf Hitler

ajm3s writes:

" but all the union employees were gone and the plant was still considered officially closed."

I have seen many banners identifying the end of an assembly line. But they do not necessarily mean the end of a plant.

http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/...

Interesting, that you continue to make the claim it is officially closed, especially from the viewpoint of workers.

Well, a "fact" with regard to plant closure, in your mind is different that a "fact" in my mind, but if you wish to be represented "officially" by UAW then I guess we are both wrong. The UAW considered the plant on "stanby", not officially closed.

http://mylocal2209.org/component/cont...

Let me make it clear as to the relevance of my point- THIS CASE ILLUSTRATES MY POINT!

You say GM Janesville is closed on a specific date, I say it remained open after a specific date based on post production of a joint venture with Isuzu, and the UAW says a plant is not closed until.........

Fact checking as it appears in AP stories and other major publications is nothing more than another form of editorializing! Or at best poor research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We can discuss this ad nauseum, it does not change the fact, that "fact check" articles are the nuanced fodder to propagandize under the cover of news worthy.

I believe RayPray gets it, I just do not understand why you make excellent references regarding propaganda but fall to whims of stated "facts".

KlausStoertebeker writes:

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1Paradiselost writes:

Great, ROLOKOMAT Is a racist, what a surprise. There's a lot of racists who live here.

And this Redneck is concern about what my kids think..

BTW, where are the tax returns?

captnjimbo writes:

Obama said he would save the plant. He did not.

It was none of his business in the first place.

GM ended up with a plant it did not need, for a reason, and they decided to close this particular plant...for a reason.

KlausStoertebeker writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Great, ROLOKOMAT Is a racist, what a surprise. There's a lot of racists who live here.

And this Redneck is concern about what my kids think..

BTW, where are the tax returns?

You are right. But why is it allowed by the staff to let this NAZI vocabulary go? This wording of the racist ROLOKOMAT is really not acceptable. By all the removal he got, why is he still on line as blogger. Others are removed for ever. But they never used this kind of wording. That is an insult to all black Americans.

KlausStoertebeker writes:

in response to captnjimbo:

Obama said he would save the plant. He did not.

It was none of his business in the first place.

GM ended up with a plant it did not need, for a reason, and they decided to close this particular plant...for a reason.

Will you tell me that great President Barack Obama is responsibility for closing a GM plant? I can not believe that you post this seriously. Great President Barack Obama created a very effective stimulus program. Marco Island is one of the big winner. Joelly bridge., 4 lines now.
However - Clint Eastwood a little bit senile now, talked to a chair already occupied with the best man who is available:
Great President Barack Obama.
The R/R ticket s second class. Don't bet on it.
The winner is:

GREAT PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA!

captnjimbo writes:

I do not usually engage in back and forth but read my post. I did not say Obama had anything to do with that plant...he did make a statement that he would save the plant. All show and no go.

Eastwood...82 years old and showing it, in my opinion was brilliant...simple prop, no teleprompter and the most relaxed guy in the room. You speak for yourself...but I don't make fun of people that may be a little bit senile.

Also, I don't usually argue politics. I did not vote for the Obama/Biden ticket...was not thrilled with the choice...but could not see a man who had done nothing and hardly ever voted on anything as president...he did not earn that job, unless you see the perspective in a recently published book by Monica Crowley. In so many words she states that Barry's parents were communists, and backs it up, points out that his father's dream was about bringing communism to Kenya and by no coincidence Barack's autobiography was named "dream's of my father"

You start to piece this together, along with the people he associated with in Chicago, the fact that nobody can get a good handle on this guy's history and the fact that one way to fundementally change America would be to bankrupt it, then you would start to belive Ryan when he says time is running out.

To simply demean either Ryan or Romney is not fair. They are wholesome, they are disciplined, they don't need the money, they are experienced and they both have a proven record of accomplishment.

One can usually count on you for some interesting perspective, and sometimes you are ignored, but I think you gave me a cheap shot without thinking it through.

This will be my last word on the subject.

KlausStoertebeker writes:

"This will be my last word on the subject."

That - indeed - is the best of your comments.
All other - especially this -

"To simply demean either Ryan or Romney is not fair. They are wholesome, they are disciplined, they don't need the money, they are experienced and they both have a proven record of accomplishment."

- is simply not true.It is your dream or your nightmare. The truth is this:

The trouble with our ultra rights Republicans friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

Great President Barack Obama will be the big winner in November. The reason why is very simple:

Americans are smart!
No doubt about that.

liberator100 writes:

When will you fact-check Hussein Barack Obama's lies?
How about the words of that brilliant VP, Joe "they'l put y'all back in chains" Biden?

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to rolomokat:

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Hey ROLOKOMAT your a racist! And you make comments about Nazis? Whats the difference between being a racist or a Nazi?

Think what the Nazis stand for.. White Supremacy! What do you think of women rights? Read your past comments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_su...

So your going to "Take our country Back"

Wait a minute. You guys forget the years between 1988 and 2008. It's almost like you fell asleep and woke up and the country was taken over by an army of blacks headed by Obama.

Now you want your country back. Sorry to late, you better get used to Obama.

BTW.. Hillary's is on deck!

KlausStoertebeker writes:

in response to rolomokat:

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seagull1106 writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Where's his tax returns?

Where's his tax returns?

I think that they're somewhere in that little lock box with Obama's college transcripts, all of those Fast and Furious documents, Obama's last 10 years of tax returns, his parent's marriage certificate and the death certificate of the dead person in Conn. who's SS # Obama is using. I can't believe that so many people are having a hissy fit over Romney's tax returns. It appears that these are the same people who chose to ignore all the "off shore" campaign contributes Obama accepted. This is getting so old. Don't you think it's about time we put some adults in Washington?

dccurt writes:

in response to muskybob:

Where did you get your facts?? possibly Chris Matthews at MSNBC

So Obama removes the Fed requirement that Clinton put in place, waiving the work requirement for welfare law. That is a fact no matter how you twist it. Naples News, your in Republican Land. No more half truths.

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to seagull1106:

Where's his tax returns?

I think that they're somewhere in that little lock box with Obama's college transcripts, all of those Fast and Furious documents, Obama's last 10 years of tax returns, his parent's marriage certificate and the death certificate of the dead person in Conn. who's SS # Obama is using. I can't believe that so many people are having a hissy fit over Romney's tax returns. It appears that these are the same people who chose to ignore all the "off shore" campaign contributes Obama accepted. This is getting so old. Don't you think it's about time we put some adults in Washington?

Thanks for the rant about Obama.. But where's the tax returns?

How do you know that Romney never took money from Putin? Or from China, or from Iran. You don't, that's why they ALL show there tax returns. Romney showed 20 year of returns when McCain asked for them in 2008! You guys don't care.. Power at any cost!

BTW... Showing ones tax returns has been the norm since Mitts father did it it 1968. What What's wrong with being honest?

The bottom line.. Romney does not even invest in his own country's future by paying his fair amount of taxes. Do you support tax cheats, that's what your telling us?

Next you will tell us he pays his fair share under the law. But how do we know that if you can't see his returns? Do you get the point now?

ALL Americans should be informed voters, don't you think?

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to dccurt:

So Obama removes the Fed requirement that Clinton put in place, waiving the work requirement for welfare law. That is a fact no matter how you twist it. Naples News, your in Republican Land. No more half truths.

President Obama is a champion of welfare-to-work programs. Recently, he gave states more of the tools they need to help move people from assistance to employment as quickly as possible. Republican governors have been asking for these new tools for years—and in 2005 Governor Romney himself requested the same kind of flexibility that the Obama administration provided.

But rather than work with the President on welfare reform, Mitt Romney and his Republican allies are launching false attacks on the very changes they once supported. They are claiming that President Obama weakened the welfare-to-work requirements when the opposite is true.

In fact, Romney’s ad has been called “wildly misleading,” “mind-boggling,” “dubious,” “hypocritical,” “false,” and a “huge and shameless deception.” The New York Times said Romney “has hit new depths of truth-twisting” with this “blatantly false” ad. Politifact gave Romney’s ad a rating of "pants on fire?

Romney has made it clear that he is far more interested in another political attack against the President than he is in actually finding solutions.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08...

KlausStoertebeker writes:

"Romney has made it clear that he is far more interested in another political attack against the President than he is in actually finding solutions."

Mitt Romney tried to make a $10,000 bet with Rick Perry during a presidential debate. Well, who says the Republicans are rich snobs out of touch with the common man?

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