Horse-drawn rides approved – Marco Island Planning Board wades into carriage question

Lance Shearer/Eagle Correspondent
From right, vice president Michael Riddle and president Ellen McKinney of Marco Horse Drawn Carriage, Inc., with Jim Kuhn and Stephanie Russo. The city Planning Board met on Friday in the Community Room downstairs from the police department.

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Lance Shearer/Eagle Correspondent From right, vice president Michael Riddle and president Ellen McKinney of Marco Horse Drawn Carriage, Inc., with Jim Kuhn and Stephanie Russo. The city Planning Board met on Friday in the Community Room downstairs from the police department.

Lance Shearer/Eagle Correspondent
From right, vice president Michael Riddle and president Ellen McKinney of Marco Horse Drawn Carriage, Inc., with Jim Kuhn and Stephanie Russo. The city Planning Board met on Friday in the Community Room downstairs from the police department.

Photo by LANCE SHEARER // Buy this photo

Lance Shearer/Eagle Correspondent From right, vice president Michael Riddle and president Ellen McKinney of Marco Horse Drawn Carriage, Inc., with Jim Kuhn and Stephanie Russo. The city Planning Board met on Friday in the Community Room downstairs from the police department.

— Cinderella's carriage got approved by the City of Marco Island Planning Board on Friday, but first they had to wade through some horse manure.

The board took a petition by Marco Horse Drawn Carriages, Inc., to establish a business on the island providing scenic rides behind a pair of horses. As presented by president Ellen McKinney and vice president Michael Riddle, the operation will focus on the hotel district along the beach, offering carriage rides for weddings, special occasions, and anyone who wants a unique, slow-speed look at Marco Island.

"We're trying to bring to the island that 'wow' factor," said McKinney. "On your 60th anniversary, we want your wife to say, 'you did that for me?' when the carriage pulls up."

"It's a seasonal business," said Riddle. "Once the temperature reaches 89 degrees, we will not work our horses."

The business proposes using two carriages. One, with a tracery of white cagework and hearts, straight out of Disney's "Cinderella," was sitting outside the council chambers where the Planning Board was meeting.

McKinney said they had signed letters of intent with businesses including the Marco Island Marriott, Marco Walk Plaza and the Old Marco Pub, and were pursuing agreements with others including the Hilton Hotel, the Snook Inn and the Esplanade. The horses and the carriages would not be stabled on the island, but would work out of two on-island staging areas at 954 Park Avenue and 900 Bald Eagle Drive, said the proprietors, and this caused many of the adverse public comments that were heard.

"If this were the season, I could get 200 signatures against this," said Ned Guthrie, on the board of directors at the Riverside Condo, near the north staging area.

"When a horse stops, that's when they urinate," said D.M. Kane, opposing the petition. He read a lengthy prepared statement, warning against extreme traffic backups, congested roads, as well as urine and horse manure, which he said the operators' proposed collection bags could not be counted on to eliminate.

"The excrement, the smell, horseflies, disease, litter" all would contribute to a lowering of property values around the staging areas, he said.

Each carriage would carry two employees, and the attendant (with the other employee being the driver) would pick up any manure which escaped, said Riddle. This prompted concerns about safety, with a person cleaning up the street in front of the inevitable traffic behind the carriage. They would be sensitive to causing congestion, and pull over to allow traffic to pass if it got too congested behind them, said the company principals.

The operators said their primary staging area would be near Veterans' Community Park, with the northern location only a backup, for instance during events at the park, but this was not enough to mollify the nearby residents, or, as it turned out, the board.

When they voted on the proposal, they imposed numerous conditions, including a review next May, after the tourist season, which could revoke the company's permission to operate. On a 5-0 vote, they also approved only the Park Avenue/Bald Eagle staging location, although they did grant longer operating hours than had been requested.

"People exaggerate the problems" that a new idea will cause, said board member Marv Needles, arguing to give the operation a try.

"It's cute, but I see traffic issues," said new board member Max Peterhans. After the meeting, McKinney was asked what "cruising speed" for the carriages would be. After a couple tries, she said they would travel between five and 15 mph. The company has also initiated talks about placing the operation in Naples, if the Marco location doesn't work out.

After the members of the public who had attended for parking issues departed, the Community Room audience was divided into supporters of Marco Horse Drawn Carriages, on the right side of the room, and the detractors, sitting apart on the left. Each group applauded speakers who supported their point of view.

With approval in hand, the Horse Drawn Carriage team gathered outside around Cinderalla's carriage, and just hope the one-year review doesn't turn it into a pumpkin.

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marco97 writes:

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JohninMarco writes:

Just wait til the first car accident involving this joke. Then watch the finger pointing. I always thought that the planning board was a circus. Now we have proof.

GFonda writes:

GFonda writes:
Well, the Planning Board approved moving the petition for HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES to the City Council; but eliminated the Bald Eagle staging area from the operation. Watching the presentation put on by the owners of the operation, there was some inconsistency as to where the pick-up and drop off points will be. At one point they spoke to being able to pick up at a person's house for a surprise anniversary; then stated that the pick-up and drop off points would be fixed. Also the routes seemed to be fixed, but left uncovered drop-off/pick-ups at the Island Country Club and the Yacht Club. Those two locations are apt to be popular reception sites (or even wedding sites). So there is some question as to whether the whole island could be used by the Company.

Operation on the island would only occur when there are firm reservations; if no reservations, then they wouldn't be doing any staging. What was not addressed is what happens if there are two reservations for the same day but hours apart. Would the horses and carriage return to the staging area to wait? Also, I found insufficient consideration being given to the HORSES. They need WATER periodically if they are used for extensive periods of time.

Just some thoughts.

Bernie11 writes:

Read some of the comments. My inlaws have lived in Lancaster, PA for 30 years and we have visited many times and have yet to see a separate lane for horse and buggies other than them riding on the side of the road when it's available. Marco Island is not Amnish Country, therefore there would not be a lot of horse and buggies, this would be a professional business and can't be compared to the Amish. There also would not be manure on the road. If you've ever been to New York City or any other place that has horse drawn carriage rides, they all have bags on the horses to catch the manure. We really need to keep an open mind.

One constant in this world is change. If you're not accepting change, then you're not growing. I think this is a lovely idea. You all want to say no without giving anyone a chance. The young residents of this island are the people who will generate revenue when us older residents are gone. Perhaps now is a good time to start to embrace the new and creative ides of the younger generation.

marco826 writes:

I have three things to say....Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

annoyedatstupidity writes:

Just what we need, horses toting person with a large posteriores all over the island because they are too fat and lazy to walk. It's 90 degrees outside, the last thing those poor horses need to do is be pulling fat tourists around. I say it's animal cruelty

Ruger writes:

in response to annoyedatstupidity:

Just what we need, horses toting person with a large posteriores all over the island because they are too fat and lazy to walk. It's 90 degrees outside, the last thing those poor horses need to do is be pulling fat tourists around. I say it's animal cruelty

Please read the article, it states that the horse will not be used at the temperature you have defined.

And why will this carriage be any different/worse than the tourist sight seeing at 5 mph?

KlausStoertebeker writes:

A circus without horses is not a circus. We need horses at street on Marco Island. I vote for police horses like in New York. Than we have no clowns to hire and safe a bunch of money.

1Paradiselost writes:

America.. The land of opportunity...except here on Marco!
Try to be happy that someone is trying creating jobs.

20andout writes:

I think its a great Idea, Bring something exciting to the island. There is nothing negative about this!!

chucky writes:

If its too hot for the horses, we can always use our growing population of illegal aliens to pull the wagon.

mahiman writes:

If I can't urinate in public....the horses can't either! Can't wait for that smell on the hot blacktop!

MrBreeze writes:

I think the treatment of the horses is cruel. 89 degrees is the temp. limit? How about the hot reflective heat index from the pavement?

This is just a bad idea by more tourist trap based plans. I think it is sad that the horse will be treated this way and I think again the city has made a poor decision in allowing this to move ahead.

marco826 writes:

in response to 20andout:

I think its a great Idea, Bring something exciting to the island. There is nothing negative about this!!

Bring something exciting? You my friend need a life...

marco826 writes:

I wouldn't ride that carriage....in season traffic is a nightmare now...no pun intended. Picture traffic backed up because one lane will be open on Collier Blvd....how stupid...how about the emergency vehicles trying to get by? I suggest an investigation into who are the principles in this new business and what is their relationship to council? Marco is out of its mind!

marco826 writes:

Picture this: bikes, cars, scooters, and horses with carriages all along our busiest street....Marxo Police can eliminate all those speed traps because no one will be moving...

KlausStoertebeker writes:

In other countries worldwide they call that "free enterprise". However - by the infrastructure of Marco Islands street plan it is a real horsecrap.

marco97 writes:

1Paradiselost writes:

America.. The land of opportunity...except here on Marco!
Try to be happy that someone is trying creating jobs.

Creating jobs? how many jobs does this company create? Two jobs for horses and two for people. Sounds like an Obama job plan.

KlausStoertebeker writes:

in response to marco97:

1Paradiselost writes:

America.. The land of opportunity...except here on Marco!
Try to be happy that someone is trying creating jobs.

Creating jobs? how many jobs does this company create? Two jobs for horses and two for people. Sounds like an Obama job plan.

Every job counts. You do not understand the outstanding politics of great President Barack Obama. The infrastructure (so far you know what that is), Marco Islands streets lay-out, traffic in season, horsecrap etc. that are the problems in this case. Nothing else.

marco97 writes:

ooobay Obama's toast in November, I'll buy you a beer at Jack's if he gets reelected.

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to marco97:

1Paradiselost writes:

America.. The land of opportunity...except here on Marco!
Try to be happy that someone is trying creating jobs.

Creating jobs? how many jobs does this company create? Two jobs for horses and two for people. Sounds like an Obama job plan.

Marco97

More jobs than your republican friends, Jerk!

marco97 writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Marco97

More jobs than your republican friends, Jerk!

1Paradiselost, I usually agree with most of what you say but when I do not agree I don't call you a jerk, lota class you have.

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to marco97:

1Paradiselost, I usually agree with most of what you say but when I do not agree I don't call you a jerk, lota class you have.

Sorry for the Jerk comment, What I think is unfair your blaming Obama for everything you disagree with. He has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

I'm looking at the bridge that cost the American people 23 million dollars courtesy of Obamas stimulus plan.
As an Island we should look at that project as a blessing. Some poor working slob in Kansas helped pay for it who will never see Marco.

Where is the Republican party on jobs?

The Romney's took a personal $71,000 tax deduction for his horse in 2010. I am a Republican but I can't get support someone who cheats the federal government using a Swiss bank account.
Then takes a tax deduction for his hobby larger than the average working stiff pay for a year.

We do agree on one thing... as you said in an older blog... "It's time to remove the Glenn Tuckers name from city hall"!

KlausStoertebeker writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Sorry for the Jerk comment, What I think is unfair your blaming Obama for everything you disagree with. He has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

I'm looking at the bridge that cost the American people 23 million dollars courtesy of Obamas stimulus plan.
As an Island we should look at that project as a blessing. Some poor working slob in Kansas helped pay for it who will never see Marco.

Where is the Republican party on jobs?

The Romney's took a personal $71,000 tax deduction for his horse in 2010. I am a Republican but I can't get support someone who cheats the federal government using a Swiss bank account.
Then takes a tax deduction for his hobby larger than the average working stiff pay for a year.

We do agree on one thing... as you said in an older blog... "It's time to remove the Glenn Tuckers name from city hall"!

I mean the problem with a lot - maybe to many - Marco Islander is, they take everything and give nothing. The bridge is a gift from great President Barack Obama. Even if I believe that this stimulus package is long-term garbage, Marco Island got a brand new bridge. Ugly but helpful. Instead to thank him, they insult and blame him for stuff W. Bush is responsible. But in my opinion it has something to do with the American education system. Everybody is here on the same level. Unfortunately below average by the international PISA study.

WizeOlMarco writes:

By next summer with the horse-induced traffic jams documented the 'industry' will have the City widen the streets. The wide streets will cause property owners to petition and be rezoned to higher valued property uses. The higher uses will raise tax revenue and the City finances will balance. All because of a horse.

STONECRAB writes:

Anyone notice they are sliding through in the middle of summer when anyone with half a brain cell splits ?

KlausStoertebeker writes:

Whom did you addressed? City Council? City Management? MMM? MI Taxpayers?

Throat_Yogurt writes:

cant wait to see how many carriages get rear ended by the elderly snowbirds hahahahaha

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