FACT CHECK: Slips in vice president's debate

WASHINGTON — Vice President Joe Biden has mangled a heaping helping of facts over the years. Despite being newer to presidential-campaign politics, Republican Paul Ryan has already earned something of a reputation for taking flying leaps past reality.

How'd they do Thursday night?

Here's a look at some of their claims:

BIDEN, on whether U.S. should have beefed up security at the U.S. Consulate in Libya before the deadly terrorist attack there: "We weren't told they wanted more security there."

RYAN: "There were requests for more security."

THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at a congressional hearing this week.

Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told lawmakers she refused requests for more security in Benghazi, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate. "Yes, sir, I said personally I would not support it," she said.

Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified he was criticized for seeking more security. He said conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was "abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?"

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RYAN: "We should have spoken out right away when the green revolution was up and starting, when the mullahs in Iran were attacking their people. We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people.

THE FACTS: Neither President Barack Obama nor anyone else in his administration ever considered the Syrian leader a "reformer." The oft-repeated charge stems from an interview Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave in March 2011 noting that "many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer." She did not endorse that view. The comment was widely perceived to be a knock at senators such as John Kerry of Massachusetts who maintained cordial relations with Assad in the months leading up to his crackdown on protesters.

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BIDEN: "We went out and rescued General Motors."

THE FACTS: Actually, the auto bailout of General Motors and Chrysler began under President George W. Bush. The Obama administration continued and expanded it.

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RYAN: "And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. This board, by the way, it's 15 people, the president's supposed to appoint them next year. And not one of them even has to have medical training."

THE FACTS: Ryan is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, created under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law. It has the power to force cuts in Medicare payments to service providers if costs rise above certain levels and Congress fails to act. But it doesn't look like the board will be cutting Medicare "each and every year," as Ryan asserts. Medicare costs are currently rising modestly and the government's own experts project the board's intervention will not be needed until 2018 and 2019 at the earliest — after Obama leaves office if re-elected to a second term.

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BIDEN, when asked who would pay more taxes in Obama's second term: "People making a million dollars or more."

THE FACTS: Obama's proposed tax increase reaches farther down the income ladder than millionaires. He wants to roll back Bush-era tax cuts for individuals making over $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.

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RYAN: "We cannot allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapons capability. Now, let's take a look at where we've gone — come from. When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material — nuclear material — to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five. They're racing toward a nuclear weapon. They're four years closer toward a nuclear weapons capability."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim is misleading. Iran isn't believed to have produced any of the highly enriched uranium needed to produce even one nuclear weapon, let alone five. That point isn't even disputed by Israel, whose Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored the world at the United Nations last month to create a "red line" at enrichment above 20 percent. Iran would have to enrich uranium at much higher levels to produce a weapon. There is intelligence suggesting that Iran has worked on weapon designs, but not that it has developed a delivery system for any potential nuclear warhead.

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BIDEN: "What we did is, we saved $716 billion and put it back, applied it to Medicare."

THE FACTS: Contrary to Biden's assertion, not all the money cut from Medicare is going back into the program in some other way. The administration is cutting $716 billion over 10 years in Medicare payments to providers and using some of the money to improve benefits under the program. But most of the money is being used to expand health care coverage outside of Medicare.

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RYAN: "What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they're doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals."

THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.

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BIDEN: "Romney said 'No, let Detroit go bankrupt.'"

THE FACTS: GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has gotten endless grief through the campaign for the headline put on his November 2008 opinion essay that he wrote for The New York Times. But his point was never that he wanted the auto industry to go down the tubes.

Romney opposed using government money to bail out Chrysler and General Motors, instead favoring privately financed bankruptcy restructuring. His prescription seemed improbable. Automakers were hemorrhaging cash and the banking system was in crisis, so private money wasn't available. Without the government money, it's likely both companies would have gone out of business. Romney did propose government-guaranteed private loans for both companies after bankruptcy.

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RYAN: "This one tax would actually tax about 53 percent of small-business income."

BIDEN: "Ninety-seven percent of the small businesses in America pay less — make less than $250,000."

THE FACTS: Both are correct, but incomplete, when sizing up the effect on small business of raising taxes for individuals making more than $200,000 and married couples making more than $250,000, as Obama wants to do. Republicans say that would hit small-business owners who report business income on their individual income tax; Democrats say the overwhelming majority of small businesses would not be affected.

According to a 2010 report by the Joint Committee on Taxation, the official scorekeeper for Congress, about 3 percent of people who report business income would face a tax increase under Obama's plan. That support's Biden's point.

The same report says those business owners account for about half of all business income. That supports Ryan.

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EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

They couldn't find a better moderator for that debate than Martha Ruddotz??? Her ex husband was a friend of King OBAMA in college. And OBAMA attended her wedding. No wonder she wouldn't stop Biden when he was interupting Ryan.

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Mitt Romney gives 30 % of his income to help the less fortunate.Mitt Romney has selflessly helped people who have had sick children or tragedies in their life. One family he even paid for their two kids to go to college. You are way off base.Mitt Romney has had a passion for people his whole life. And he doesn't brag about it,other people tell the story for him. P.S. Julius Genachowski,Martha Raddatz's ex husband is Obama's current appointed head of the FCC. Chicago politics played out in Washington!

tathiede writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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I'm sick and tired of people voting for candidates just because of how they look and not learning what they are all about and their political views. If you think Mitt Romney looks questionable, then what about Obama's big ears and Biden's false teeth?!

26yearsonmarco writes:

Klaus,

As much as I hate to admit it, Biden won the debate hands down, and will be known from now on as a Master Debater.

Poor Ryan, due his good upbringing, could not say the things that I'm sure were on his mind, while being brow beaten by this Master Debater.

20_Days writes:

The Polls are in:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states...

You lose again Klaus.

20_Days writes:

They had this jerk figured out years ago!

Proverbs 29:9

http://cdn.times247.com/media/picture...

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

Klaus,

As much as I hate to admit it, Biden won the debate hands down, and will be known from now on as a Master Debater.

Poor Ryan, due his good upbringing, could not say the things that I'm sure were on his mind, while being brow beaten by this Master Debater.

I guess that shows that Paul Ryan has good character.Something Washington needs more of. And personally,seeing Biden laugh,smirk,and make light of the topics while Ryan was talking was a disgrace. America is in trouble and he thinks it's a joke. The jokes on you Biden,it backfired.People did not like it!!!

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to 20_Days:

The Polls are in:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states...

You lose again Klaus.

Thanks for the link,now I feel even better!!!

20_Days writes:

ECFP.....You are welcome, it is my pleasure!

RayPray writes:

in response to EastCoastFloridaPerson:

Mitt Romney gives 30 % of his income to help the less fortunate.Mitt Romney has selflessly helped people who have had sick children or tragedies in their life. One family he even paid for their two kids to go to college. You are way off base.Mitt Romney has had a passion for people his whole life. And he doesn't brag about it,other people tell the story for him. P.S. Julius Genachowski,Martha Raddatz's ex husband is Obama's current appointed head of the FCC. Chicago politics played out in Washington!

"Mitt Romney gives 30 % of his income to help the less fortunate."

This means nothing.

The Great OBAMA has given 47% of YOUR income to help the Food Stamp nation!

Senile Kinnock Biden has enabled the Great OBAMA -- our Jesus with drones -- to reclaim his ineffable mojo.

Robot Romney is careening toward the scrap heap of uncool....

20_Days writes:

Keep dreaming Klaus, Obamas chance of re-election is going down and going down big! Not a chance in "your" dreams will he recover in 24 days!

FOUR GOOD MEN DIED, OBAMA, BIDEN, CLINTON AND RICE LIED!

20_Days writes:

Monitors to Obama are like oxygen to Obama!

No monitors no brain function.

26yearsonmarco writes:

Klaus,

Watch this video and let me know if it has any meaning to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=...

20_Days writes:

Do you know what the sweetist sound we will hear at sunrise on January 22, 2013?

Obama saying, "I am no longer President of the United States of America!"

26yearsonmarco writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Klaus,

Your thoughts are clear from your opening statement:

"Glory, glory Hallelujah" video of some right wing Republican tea-party member called themselves patriotic?"

I disagree with you as is my Constitutional Right to do so, as it is your right to voice your opinion, assuming you are a citizen.

I will be voting against your Great Obama because I treasure my Rights, and I feel your Great One will take them away from me, my children, and grandchildren.

By the way, I have Patriotic Ancestors who fought for the Constitution, and I am prepared to do the same.

20_Days writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Barack may be saying that on the day after inaugeration day to himself, because inaugeration day is January 21, 2013 and Romney will already be sworn in.

FOUR MEN DIED, OBAMA, BIDEN, CLINTON AND RICE LIED!

20_Days writes:

Klaus,

Do you realize that all of your ranting now means nothing, here in Florida, never mind Marco Island. You see at least on Marco most people are happy being Republicans not like you who selected a place that you are miserable in and would like all others to share your misery.

Sorry, but you lose, again.

RayPray writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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"The genius of mankind, the greatest genius of all times and peoples."

That's what admirers called Stalin.

Obviously, they failed to anticipate the advent of the GREAT OBAMA, the twilight reflection of GOD in Chicago....

20_Days writes:

in response to RayPray:

"The genius of mankind, the greatest genius of all times and peoples."

That's what admirers called Stalin.

Obviously, they failed to anticipate the advent of the GREAT OBAMA, the twilight reflection of GOD in Chicago....

Hope you can find another Democrat on Marco who believes you and will be voting for Obama.

From what the polls look like you will have to invent a few more blog names commiserate with.

26yearsonmarco writes:

Klaus,

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT OBAMA’S 923 EXECUTIVE ORDERS IN ONE PART OF ONE TERM??

YES, THERE IS A REASON. IT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small number of Democrat Senators question him. HE SHOULD BE QUESTIONED. WHAT IS HE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH??? DOES THIS SCARE YOU AS MUCH AS IT DOES ME?

It’s not really surprising that he appointed "Czars" to be in charge of everything. EMPEROR OBAMA? HITLER? Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.....THIS IS NOT FUNNY, AND IF YOU VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN, YOU CAN EXPECT MORE! Remember what he told Russia's Putin: "I'll be more flexible after I'm re-elected."

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: Obama has signed 923 Executive Orders in 40 months! What did Congress do in those 40 months? (The House - considerable. The Senate-nothing, not even a budget nor allowing any House bill to be considered.) A whole new order must prevail in Washington DC as a result of this next election!

Now look at these:
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

26yearsonmarco writes:

Executive Orders Continued:

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

Feel free to verify the "executive orders" at will... and these are just the major ones. I'm sure you've all heard the tale of the "Frog in the Pot"... you all comfortable??? Watch Obama's actions, not his words! By his actions he will show you where America is headed.. Just this week, Obama has issued a new executive order that seeks to"harmonize" U.S. economic regulations with the rest of the world. This new executive order is yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system. Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening. The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of the world. The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to "harmonize" their work with the international community.

IS THIS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE?? THEN PROVE TO YOURSELF IT'S WRONG. Just Google it! BEWARE!! Our freedoms are disappearing.

20_Days writes:

Don't pick on Klaus, he is happy!

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

Klaus,

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT OBAMA’S 923 EXECUTIVE ORDERS IN ONE PART OF ONE TERM??

YES, THERE IS A REASON. IT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small number of Democrat Senators question him. HE SHOULD BE QUESTIONED. WHAT IS HE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH??? DOES THIS SCARE YOU AS MUCH AS IT DOES ME?

It’s not really surprising that he appointed "Czars" to be in charge of everything. EMPEROR OBAMA? HITLER? Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.....THIS IS NOT FUNNY, AND IF YOU VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN, YOU CAN EXPECT MORE! Remember what he told Russia's Putin: "I'll be more flexible after I'm re-elected."

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: Obama has signed 923 Executive Orders in 40 months! What did Congress do in those 40 months? (The House - considerable. The Senate-nothing, not even a budget nor allowing any House bill to be considered.) A whole new order must prevail in Washington DC as a result of this next election!

Now look at these:
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

This is why Hugo Chavez has endorsed OBAMBA. Scary stuff,and the real scary part,is most people don't have a clue of what's going on.

20_Days writes:

Hugo Chavez, isn't he the guy who picks coffee?

You know, the stuff, Biden had too much of prior to his, historical, proving that he is a pompous bully and fool, demonstration at his LOSING debate with Ryan.

20_Days writes:

Come to think of it we had one Democratic president who taught our children that oral sex is not sex and a Democratic vice president who not only lies but that being disruptive and being nothing less than a bully is appropriate behavior by adults in nothing less than a vice presidential debate.

Both of them should be and have been thrown out of office like Nixon was.

Typical Democratic behavior, if you don't have or wish to admit to a wrong in a polite answer just bully the other person into stopping the conversation.

This goes on all the time, even on these blogs.

26yearsonmarco writes:

Klaus,

Here is the number of Executive Orders written by past Presidents:
Teddy Roosevelt 3
Others to FDR None
Franklin D. Roosevelt 11 in 16 years
Truman 5 in 7 years
Ike 2 in 8 years
Kennedy 4 in 3 years
LBJ 4 in 5 years
Nixon 1 in 6 years
Ford 3 in 2 years
Carter 3 in 4 years
Reagan 5 in 8 years
Bush 3 in 4 years
Clinton 15 in 8 years
George W. Bush 62 in 8 years
Obama 923 in 3 1/2 years!

Any other questions????

20_Days writes:

26,

That is almost one a day as long as he has been in office, except for vaction days of course.

I think that is one of the tell tale signs of a megalomaniac.

26yearsonmarco writes:

in response to 20_Days:

26,

That is almost one a day as long as he has been in office, except for vaction days of course.

I think that is one of the tell tale signs of a megalomaniac.

I can't wait to hear from Klaus, and it seems 1P has thrown Klaus under the bus.

20_Days writes:

If you come across 1ParadiseLost let her know that I am still waiting for the Secret Service to show up at my house as she threatened.

porschett writes:

Klaus, Klaus, Klaus,

A University of Colorado analysis of state-by-state factors leading to the Electoral College selection of every U.S. president since 1980 forecasts that the 2012 winner will be Mitt Romney.

The key is the economy, say political science professors Kenneth Bickers of CU-Boulder and Michael Berry of CU Denver. Their prediction model stresses economic data from the 50 states and the District of Columbia, including both state and national unemployment figures as well as changes in real per capita income, among other factors.

“Based on our forecasting model, it becomes clear that the president is in electoral trouble,” said Bickers, also director of the CU in DC Internship Program.

According to their analysis, President Barack Obama will win 213 votes in the Electoral College, short of the 270 he needs. And though they chiefly focus on the Electoral College, the political scientists predict Romney will win 52.9 percent of the popular vote to Obama’s 47.1 percent, when considering only the two major political parties.

“For the last eight presidential elections, this model has correctly predicted the winner,” said Berry. “The economy has seen some improvement since President Obama took office. What remains to be seen is whether voters will consider the economy in relative or absolute terms. If it’s the former, the president may receive credit for the economy’s trajectory and win a second term. In the latter case, Romney should pick up a number of states Obama won in 2008.”

Their model correctly predicted all elections since 1980, including two years when independent candidates ran strongly, 1980 and 1992. It also correctly predicted the outcome in 2000, when Al Gore received the most popular vote but George W. Bush won the election.

The study will be published this month in PS: Political Science & Politics, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Political Science Association. It will be among about a dozen election prediction models, but one of only two to focus on the Electoral College.

While many forecast models are based on the popular vote, the Electoral College model developed by Bickers and Berry is the only one of its type to include more than one state-level measure of economic conditions.

In addition to state and national unemployment rates, the authors looked at per capita income, which indicates the extent to which people have more or less disposable income. Research shows that these two factors affect the major parties differently: Voters hold Democrats more responsible for unemployment rates while Republicans are held more responsible for per capita income.

Accordingly -- and depending largely on which party is in the White House at the time -- each factor can either help or hurt the major parties disproportionately.

20_Days writes:

What the heck else do we need get rid of the Obama, Biden from the White house and Clinton and Rice from our government. The lied, they covered up and they are still lying.

Four Good Men Died, Obama, Biden, Clinton and Rice have been PROVEN to be liars.

What else have they lied to us about that has not yet come out?

They should all be impeached and thrown out of all of their offices before the inauguration in January.

There is nothing more to say than what is said above and to be repeated up and to the election.

liberator100 writes:

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EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to liberator100:

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Since new to the blog,I was getting the picture of him. I commented that hopefully he was not a registered voter and could not vote. Now that you set the record straight.....I am relieved that his ranting nonsense is just that.

26yearsonmarco writes:

in response to EastCoastFloridaPerson:

Since new to the blog,I was getting the picture of him. I commented that hopefully he was not a registered voter and could not vote. Now that you set the record straight.....I am relieved that his ranting nonsense is just that.

Why does Czar Klaus have to be a Citizen in order to vote for Obama who can't produce his birth cirtificate??

RayNetherwood writes:

Lib100 .... Klaus baby is hilarious, although quite often boring. If he could only harness all that energy and put it to some meaningful use.

It's amusing to see someone do three or four droning posts in a row. He must babble to his plants and "Hope" posters all day long.

20_Days writes:

Klaus made #1 in something.

http://digitallife.today.com/_news/20...

RayNetherwood writes:

23 ... ha ha ha. Klaus, our favorite troll!

August8 writes:

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26yearsonmarco writes:

Klaus,

This is my favorite AD:

http://thehayride.com/2012/09/maybe-t...

YADDA, YADDA, YADDA

26yearsonmarco writes:

I tried to find an interpret of this story into a language you would understand, but KLAUSEEZ DOESN'T EXIST.

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/sti...

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