Joe Biden tells rally in Fort Myers that GOP left trillion-dollar debt when Obama took office

The auditorium of Lexington Middle School, near the Wa-KeHatchee Park Recreation Center in Fort Myers, where several hundred people have arrived to hear Vice President Joe Biden speak.

Photo by Jenna Buzzacco-Foerster

The auditorium of Lexington Middle School, near the Wa-KeHatchee Park Recreation Center in Fort Myers, where several hundred people have arrived to hear Vice President Joe Biden speak.

The vice president took to the stage to speak around 11:50 a.m. Saturday in the auditorium at the Wa-KeHatchee Park Recreation Center in Fort Myers. Several hundred people filled the auditorium earlier, dancing to the music of “Gotta Luv It,” an oldies rock band.

Photo by Jenna Buzzacco-Foerster

The vice president took to the stage to speak around 11:50 a.m. Saturday in the auditorium at the Wa-KeHatchee Park Recreation Center in Fort Myers. Several hundred people filled the auditorium earlier, dancing to the music of “Gotta Luv It,” an oldies rock band.

— Vice President Joe Biden slammed his Republican opponents during a rally in Fort Myers on Saturday, saying the party has shifted drastically to the right and would be unrecognizable to an earlier generation of supporters.

“This is not your father’s Republican Party. This is not even Mitt Romney’s father’s Republican Party,” Biden said. “I don’t recognize the country they’re talking about. The American people are so much better, they’re so much stronger, they take so much more responsibility than these guys are giving them credit for.”

Biden was in Fort Myers to wrap up a two-day campaign swing through Florida. The vice president spent much of his 30-plus minute speech at the Wa-Ke-Hatchee Park Recreation Center talking about the middle class, seniors and the deficit.

More than 2,000 people attended the rally. This was Biden’s second public appearance in Fort Myers. He was in the area in October 2008 — days before the November presidential election — for a similar event at Alico Arena in Estero.

At Saturday’s event, Biden said the president was on the job for about a week when economic advisers warned that the country was facing a trillion-dollar deficit. That deficit, Biden said, was due to decisions made by the prior administration and Republicans in Congress.

“They talk about the Great Recession and they acknowledge it like it fell from the sky,” he said. “They put two wars on the credit card. They voted for new entitlement programs without paying one penny for it.”

Biden said Republicans need to take responsibility for the role they’ve played in the growing deficit, instead of voting against proposals put forth by the Obama administration.

“These guys vote against everything,” he said.

The Romney campaign quickly shot back Saturday in a statement, saying the national debt has grown under the Obama administration and that Obama’s spending plan is “riddled with accounting gimmicks and tax hikes, rather than policies that will get our long-term debt under control.”

A campaign spokeswoman also said Romney would cut spending and “put our nation on track toward a balanced budget.”

But Biden said the Romney plan would hurt Americans, especially the middle class and those seniors on Medicare and Social Security. He also said Romney’s decision to pick Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., as his running mate gave Americans a “clear definition of all those vague assertions” Romney made during the primary.

“The fact of the matter is, you know as well as I do, this country is facing the starkest choice, the starkest choice for president that we have faced in at least my generation,” Biden said.

One major difference between the two campaigns is their plans for Medicare.

Since the president took office, Biden said, seniors have “more benefits than before” and are saving more money on expenses like prescriptions. The president also has strengthened Medicare reform and has earned the support of the American Medical Association and the AARP, Biden said.

A Romney administration, on the other hand, would turn Medicare into what Biden called “voucher care” and would mean more out-of-pocket costs for seniors.

That comment led to boos and jeers from the audience, something Biden quickly tried to stop.

“I don’t need your boos,” he said. “I need your votes and your organization.”

Senior issues like Medicare and Social Security are especially important in Southwest Florida, which has a large retired — or nearly retired — community. The current administration’s position on those issues is what drew many people to Saturday’s event.

Tommy McIntyre was among those in the crowd who wanted to hear where the Obama administration stands on senior issues. The 74-year-old Fort Myers resident said one of the main reasons he attended the rally was to hear what Biden had to say about Medicare.

McIntyre said he was pleased with what the vice president had to say, and he and his wife plan to volunteer with the campaign because of it.

“It was great,” McIntyre said. “I told my wife, it was like going to a college pep rally before the homecoming game.”

McIntyre wasn’t the only supporter who got into the pep rally spirit. As members of the crowd waited for the vice president to take the stage, they danced to the sounds of an oldies band and cheered when supporters took to the stage to say why they supported the president. They chanted “four more years” as Biden took to the stage to a Bruce Springsteen tune, and huddled around that same stage trying to get a quick handshake as he exited.

It took Biden several minutes to leave the auditorium as he shook hands and took pictures with supporters who crowded around.

“I’ve got news for Gov. Romney, I’ve got news for Rep. Ryan: It’s never good to bet against the American people,” Biden said as he wrapped up his speech Saturday. “With your help, we’ll win Florida.”

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Posted earlier

Vice President Joe Biden spent much of his 30-plus minute stump speech in Fort Myers on Saturday talking about the middle class, seniors and the national debt.

Biden told supporters that, with their help, he and President Barack Obama can go on to win Florida and the Nov. 6 election over Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

“The American people are so much better, they’re so much stronger and they take so much more responsibility than (Republicans) are giving them credit for,” Biden said to a crowd of more than 2,000 people at the Wa-Ke-Hatchee Recreation Center south of Fort Myers. “I’ve got news for Gov. (Mitt) Romney. I’ve got news for Rep. (Paul) Ryan. It’s never a good bet to bet against the American people. With your help, we’ll win Florida. With you’re help, we’ll represent 100 percent of America.”

This was an apparent reference to the recent videotaped comment by Romney, who said 47 percent of Americans see themselves as “victims” who deserve the government’s help.

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As the auditorium slowly cleared out before 1 p.m., Biden shook hands and posed for pictures with supporters surrounding the stage. His exit took several minutes as members of the crowd cheered, hollered and tossed signs in his direction.

“It was great,” said Tommy McIntyre, a 74-year-old Fort Myers resident.

McIntyre said he and his wife were eager to hear what Biden had to say about senior issues, like Medicare.

During his talk, Biden tried to drive home the point that he and Obama made positive changes to Medicare, while Republican counterparts plan to turn it into a voucher system.

That comment led to boos and jeers from the crowd, something Biden quickly tried to stop.

“I don’t need your boos,” he said. “I need your votes and your organization.”

Obama for America-Florida organizers asked the crowd to commit to spending some time this month volunteering for the campaign, whether it be by registering voters, working in phone banks, or helping in local offices.

McIntyre said he and his wife are ready to do so. The pair said Saturday morning’s event inspired them to help out in the coming weeks.

“I told my wife, this was like going to a college pep rally before homecoming,” McIntyre said.

Posted earlier

Jon Shannon wanted to make sure his sons got a chance to see a vice president, even if it meant standing in line twice in one week.

Shannon, 51, a Fort Myers resident, was one of the first in line this morning in hopes of getting a front row seat to see Vice President Joe Biden speak in Fort Myers. The Fort Myers resident got in line a little after 8 a.m. and he and his two sons were about a dozen people from the front of the line.

“You don’t have too many opportunities to see the vice president,” Shannon said.

The vice president is scheduled to speak around 11:40 a.m. in the auditorium at the Wa-KeHatchee Park Recreation Center in Fort Myers. Several hundred people have begun to fill the auditorium, dancing to the music of “Gotta Luv It,” an oldies rock band.

The vice president is expected to discuss the difference between President Barack Obama’s vision of growing the economy, creating middle-class jobs and restoring the middle class economic security. Biden is expected to touch on Medicare and Social Security, a particularly important issue to the largely retired community that lives in Southwest Florida.

This is the vice president’s second public rally in the Fort Myers area. He was here in October 2008, just days before the November presidential election. That event was held at Alico Arena. He has twice visited Naples for fundraisers.

Those people waiting in line said Biden’s appearance — his 23rd in Florida since he became vice president — shows just how important is to the battle for the White House. Supporters said they have seen substantial change in Lee County, and the country, since the president took office.

“I lost my job when (President George W.) Bush was in office … and I started a new career in real estate,” said Laurie Bowman, 52. “My business is growing and I’m adding staff. That was on Obama’s watch.”

Bowman said she understands the president may not have achieved all that he promised his first term. But that doesn’t worry her.

“It takes a long time to turn a battleship around,” she said.

Bowman said she was a Republican for most of her life, but the 2000 election changed her view. Bowman said she thought Vice President Al Gore was the winner in Florida and “thought there was funny business” when it came to Bush winning the state, and ultimately the presidency.

She’s been a Democrat since.

But not everyone in the crowd this morning was a Democrat. About a dozen people carried signs “Republicans for Obama,” and said they were big supporters of the president and Biden. But Anthony Riley, an Florida Gulf Coast University student, wasn’t one of them.

The 20-year-old Cape Coral resident said he wanted to hear what Biden had to say, but probably wouldn’t vote for his ticket in November.

“I’m a Republican,” he said.

Riley said he wanted to hear what Biden had to say about how he and the president are going to reduce the deficit. But Riley said he won’t be upset if he doesn’t hear something that will appeal to his beliefs.

“I’m not going to be the person who yells out in the crowd,” Riley said with a smile.

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Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

During his talk, Biden tried to drive home the point that he and Obama made positive changes to Medicare, while Republican counterparts plan to turn it into a voucher system.

That comment led to boos and jeers from the crowd, something Biden quickly tried to stop.

“I don’t need your boos,” he said. “I need your votes and your organization."

I was surprised that this newspaper printed the part of the boos. From what I heard the booing was so bad, Biden was tongue tied, turned red and was flustered in coming up with a response.

This reception was difinitely not representative of Obama claiming a majority in Florida. Fort Myers being a predominately Democrat area.

And the beat goes on!

2themoon writes:

Biden go away, we already have a villiage idiot 'round these parts named Eddi Isliar.

1Paradiselost writes:

Zoo...

Vice President Joe Biden visits Fort Myers Florida 9/29/12 The entire video.....

You have your facts wrong...again. ..

Listen between 8:40 thru 11:58. Your ears won't lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OXWEE...

liberator100 writes:

Biden is the biggest joke and a village idiot since Jimmy Carter. Who cares what he says. They'll put y'all back in chains. Ryan will sweep the floor with him. Can't wait to see that debate!

Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

1Pair,

Quoted was from article above.
Tell the newspaper it has its facts wrong.

Anyone who votes for the Obama, Biden team is one of the following:

1. Brain dead.
2. Looking for another Gov't handout.
3. A radical Muslim supporter.
4. An person who is anti-Israel
5. A person who has not had enough of Obama
lies or cover ups.
6. All of the above.

Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

1Para,

You still refuse to answer my question.
Will you still be a liberal when your 91 year old mother needs medical care and the non-elected or elected panal refuses the funds which are then earmarked for a 34 year old welfare recipient?

You tried to turn this by asking me how my mother was in your sarcastic way, which I politely answered, now how about being honest to the question I asked of you.

panola60 writes:

Obama has added more than $5 trillion to the National Debt in just 3.5 years, which is much more than Bush added in 8 years. . .

So, who's Responsible for Obama's Astronomical Debt Increase?

2009:
• Democrat Caused Mortgage Meltdown/Recession: $570 billion (46 percent)
• Bush policies: $330 billion (27 percent)
• Obama policies: $325 billion (27 percent)

2010:
• Democrat Caused Mortgage Meltdown/Recession: $815 billion (51 percent)
• Bush: $225 billion (14 percent)
• Obama: $565 billion (35 percent)

2011:
• Democrat Caused Mortgage Meltdown/Recession: $720 billion (46 percent)
• Bush: $160 billion (10 percent)
• Obama: $685 billion (44 percent)

1Paradiselost writes:

Zoo....

Here's the answer you requested about my 91 year old mother (by the way, thinks you have "lost your mind and thinks your nuts".... I sent her your posts.

"Death Panel" is a political term that originated during a 2009 debate about federal health care legislation to cover the uninsured in the United States. The term was first used in August 2009 by Sarah Palin, the former Republican Governor of Alaska, when she charged that the proposed legislation would create a "death panel" of bureaucrats who would decide whether Americans—such as her elderly parents or child with Down syndrome—were worthy of medical care.

Palin's claim, however, was debunked, and it has been referred to as the "death panel" myth;[1] nothing in any proposed legislation would have allowed individuals to be judged to see if they were "worthy" of health care.

Zoo at this point one would have to ask where you went to school, or did you?

You just keep repeating the talking points of a party that lies to the American public. If they told you the sky was green you would say yes without looking up..

I can only think of two words.. Lazy & s-----!
1) Your to lazy to check facts.
2) To s----- to know the difference between a fact and a lie.

As Romney said "were not interested in facts"

If you would like to read the truth please follow the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

Case Closed!

THe Marco Island's Misery Duo are one and the same or a married tag team. We have Klaus answering, clearly, the questions asked of 1Paradise above and then 1Paradise comes in and attempts to ramble or rant, as usual.

Give it up Marco's misery duo and maybe share your twisted beliefs with someone who cares to listen and to be as miserable as the one/two of you.

Maybe next time you will get your blog names straight.

26yearsonmarco writes:

“At Saturday’s event, Biden said the president was on the job for about a week when economic advisers warned that the country was facing a trillion-dollar deficit. That deficit, Biden said, was due to decisions made by the prior administration and Republicans in Congress.”

Hey Joe, look at DUH Clock and you will see we are running out of TIME, so get lost.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

1Paradiselost writes:

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Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

What is the difference between a liberal's colonoscopy and Joe Biden?

Ans: With the colonoscopy you may find the liberal's brain, otherwise there is no difference.

Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

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Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

Klaus,

I hope that you do not speak to your grandchildren that way. We already know what it caused to their parents.

And the beat goes on!

tathiede writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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YOU need to go see the movie 2016!!

tathiede writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Are you a socialist from Deutschland? If so, your posts make sense.

tathiede writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Haben Sie ein Vögel?

Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Marco Misery Duo,

But just think your 91 year old mother won't get any of the "rationed" medical care. Hope you can sleep, comfortably, on that.

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to Our_world_according_to_zookeeper:

During his talk, Biden tried to drive home the point that he and Obama made positive changes to Medicare, while Republican counterparts plan to turn it into a voucher system.

That comment led to boos and jeers from the crowd, something Biden quickly tried to stop.

“I don’t need your boos,” he said. “I need your votes and your organization."

I was surprised that this newspaper printed the part of the boos. From what I heard the booing was so bad, Biden was tongue tied, turned red and was flustered in coming up with a response.

This reception was difinitely not representative of Obama claiming a majority in Florida. Fort Myers being a predominately Democrat area.

And the beat goes on!

Finally some good news.

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Zoo...

Vice President Joe Biden visits Fort Myers Florida 9/29/12 The entire video.....

You have your facts wrong...again. ..

Listen between 8:40 thru 11:58. Your ears won't lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OXWEE...

I'm sure they edited the video,just like MSNBC edited two Romney videos,to miss quote him and make him look bad. And they got caught!

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to panola60:

Obama has added more than $5 trillion to the National Debt in just 3.5 years, which is much more than Bush added in 8 years. . .

So, who's Responsible for Obama's Astronomical Debt Increase?

2009:
• Democrat Caused Mortgage Meltdown/Recession: $570 billion (46 percent)
• Bush policies: $330 billion (27 percent)
• Obama policies: $325 billion (27 percent)

2010:
• Democrat Caused Mortgage Meltdown/Recession: $815 billion (51 percent)
• Bush: $225 billion (14 percent)
• Obama: $565 billion (35 percent)

2011:
• Democrat Caused Mortgage Meltdown/Recession: $720 billion (46 percent)
• Bush: $160 billion (10 percent)
• Obama: $685 billion (44 percent)

I couldn't have said it any better.I was going to but you said it all. Problem is the liberals don't like facts,the Republicans do.

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Another liberal name caller. Just remember the dealth panel will be self imposed......tests for older people will be denied......because the system under Obama Care will lack the money to pay for them. Instead of grandma getting a knee replacement or an MRI......they will say what Suzy Ormen says, DENIED!!!!!!

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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It will be a sad day for America.Keep printing money and throwing it into our banking system,Obama,and see how much more inflation takes off. I bet you don't mind paying three times more for food. (and I'm being conservative,prediction is 5 times more for food)P.S.I have known many,many Mormons in my years of life. (and I am not one of them) They are hardworking,compasionate people,who give 10 % of their income to charity,do community service and have always helped people get back on their feet when they are down and out.

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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And another fact is,since Obama got in office we have more unemployed,more people on food stamps,more people who stopped looking for work since they can't find any,more small business locations vacant.....trillions and trillions of dept that he put on the American people.If he was doing the right thing we would see improvement. So if Obama gets in......Romney is right on target,instead of seeing those proud Americas gainfully employed,and putting money into the economy.....we will see a bigger percentage than that dependent on government.A government that can't afford to give out all those freebies. So I would say....if Obama gets in,get ready America...for 60 % of America dependent on government. A government who can't afford the bills right now.

EastCoastFloridaPerson writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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I guess you have not talked to many Canadians or Europeans that have socialized medicine. We have first hand experience talking to them. Two years is not an uncommon wait for a knee replacement in Canada. That is why many people come to the U.s.,and if they can afford it,pay for it themselves. The system will be crushed under Obama care. You definately have your head in the clouds.

1Paradiselost writes:

East coast..

You need to run to your doctors office and have your head from your arass! You have no idea what your talking about.

I have several Canadian friends who have no problem getting the health care they need in a timely manor.

BTW... ALL of my Canadian friends find Romney repulsive!

"When you don't have facts use FEAR"! Lee Atwater.

Your a pathetic example of a human being. Your the average cheep right wing racist Republican. If this was the 1840's you and your party would be hung for treason.

Take your wallet out and due your patriotic duty and pay your taxes you cheep f!

You will be supporting some poor family in Detroit that some employer won't hire because they are black.

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot writes:

The system will be crushed under either the current system, or Obama care if the costs are not contained due to government intervention in health care. Free markets should define what drugs should cost or what certain procedures should cost. Not government!

The fact is that know one in DC will address the cost of health care or the anti free market practices that go on in the industry. Campaign donations would dry up from the health care industry. Campaign donations are all that matter in DC today.

Obama is a disaster of a president. I don't believe Romney will be much better. If I were the republican party I would sit this election out. Cuts will be made to the budget. Let the Dems own their problems they created.

Clinton paved the way for the housing boom bust by removing Glass-Stegal allowing banks to invest in risky financial products like mortgages. Greenspan and Bush pushed for everyone to own a home. Frank and Reid helped push by making it impossible for banks to deny anyone a loan. The consumers bought it hook-line-and-sinker. Believing that home prices would only go up. It's almost like it was planned?

The same thing is now being done in the equity markets. Give the people another year or two and they will believe equity prices only go up. Barring a war or economic disaster in a developed country. Think Europe, or Japan. Bernanke creates a few zeros on the Fed balance sheet, buys $40 billion a month in mortgage bonds (who knows what else) from the banks. Banks turn Bernanke zeros into cash and buy equities, ETF's, etc, and do their required buying (primary dealer banks) of treasuries. The Fed then buys the treasuries from the banks giving the banks more money to invest, I meant gamble. What could go wrong?

Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

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I really have to laugh at the depths someone such as yourself sinks to when they wish to share their miserable existance with others.

Maybe you can write an autobiography about yourself and let the world know because everyone else who blogs on this site already knows.

Better yet have your wife write it, she has a better understanding of writing and of the English language.

Our_world_according_to_zookeeper (Inactive) writes:

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liberator100 writes:

Why anyone takes this German refuse seriously beats me! He is not a citizen, can't vote in the elections, yet due to his historical experience sees a dictator in the making and calls him GREAT.

RayPray writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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GOD gave us the Great OBAMA as our first black president.

4 years from now, HE will bestow Breathless Kinnock BIDEN as our first dementia president....

August8 writes:

Open the dictionary, look up word idiot and see a very nice photo of this guy.

20_Days writes:

Now matter how many repeated rants by a couple of Obama supporters on this site. Over 700 repeated rants by just 2 supporters. The fact still is that Obama has had no financial experience prior to his attempts at fixing the economy, unsuccessfully, then he would have had running a newspaper stand.

On the other hand not only does Romney have infinite more experience, he also employed dozens of people who had many times as much experience as Obama.

So you can repeat the chant Obama is great as many times as you wish the fact is, is that he is a failure and wants 4 more years to prove what, that he is by far the worst officer holder in the White house that we have ever had in two terms instead of one?

It may happen and it will be because the same Americans who Klaus called uneducated and "dump" as Klaus said earlier. Now he is saying those same people will vote Obama back into office. So sad that your own words come back to haunt you.

20_Days writes:

Nothing about the economy or the handling of such in your rant. Answer the question please and stop with the points you have made 700 times. The more you say it does not make it any more so than what could be said once.

You are no better than the lady ranting about her free OBAMA phone. Is she related to you?

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Klaus,
Look up Galss-stegal, look when it was implemented, look at WHY it was implemented. Then come back here and tell me that by Clinton repealing it, it didn't open the door for the housing boom to begin. Greenspan helped by lowering rates. Bush near the end of his term saw the problem being created. It was too late and nobody would listen.

Great president Obama could not solve his way out of a paper bag.

20_Days writes:

No Klaus you are twisting your story. You specifically said Americans not Republican.

Please stop the rants it takes away from anybody else trying to get a word in. Go out side enjoy the sun. You are living in a beautiful place. Enjoy it, your ranting is not being read any longer and even those people who have been stopped.

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Klaus,
Glass-stegal has nothing to do with the budget. Repealing it opened the doors for deposit based banks to trade risky assets. Think "mortgages"! This was the first step to blowing the housing bubble. Glass-stegal was enacted after the great depression to make sure the banks couldn't blow up the economy again. We have short memories. Stop blaming Bush.

Obama has created $5 Trillion in debt in 3 1/2 years. He will own the largest amount of unemployment, largest amount of Food stamp recipients, etc, in our history if he is elected. Contrary to what many believe, Romney can't fix it. It's too late now. The only way to fix it is to make some very unpopular choices. Those choices won't be made by DC or the people. They will be made for us by the markets. I hope Obama wins. He will be the last Dem ever elected.

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Klaus, are you sure you aren't Obama himself? You, like him, want to blame everything on Bush. Will it still be Bushs fault if four years from now we are worse off than we are now?

Q: Who repealed Glass-stegal?
A: Bill Clinton! Say it again....Bill Clinton

Alan Greenspan was the second step leading to the housing debacle. Barney Frank and Reid were next forcing the banks to lend to anyone who could fog a mirror. Your s----- friends (and most Americans) that borrowed against their homes believing that the value would only go up to buy s----- stuff were also to blame.

2,000 Americans are dead because of Afghanistan. Obama refuses to pull us out of there. He said he would. He lied. He also said a few days ago we won't be pulling out of Afghanistan. $16 Trillion and rapidly climbing thanks to Obama.

You liberals seem to have a serious problem with the truth. Why?

Sparky100 writes:

I love this stuff.
I’m sure Biden didn’t admit that the deficit they were left with was caused by a 2 year run of democratic controlled congress. I guess now if you don’t have a budget for 4 years, you don’t need to be concerned about the deficit. I see foreign aid has increased 80% during this administration, another point Klaus or Paradise will ignore or fail to explain. Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
In regards to ObamaCare. I have family in Canada, there health care IS limited, they will replace the knee of a 25 year old years before a 75 year old, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Cancer after 70, plan on dying, it will be stage 4 before you get treatment. Medications are cheaper, but allocated, they will prescribe but it may not be in stock. Is that really what you want. ObamaCare needs to be stopped.

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot writes:

Klaus,
I'm happy to see you did some research. Thanks for the copy & paste from wikipedia. The main point was it separated commercial and investment banking. Doing away with it opened the door to commercial banks to speculate. Speculate they did. They got it wrong. Thanks to the American tax payer and the repeal of mark to market accounting most are all still in business.

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot writes:

By the way Klaus,
I would much rather send my child to one of the "Mini" schools in Iowa than one of the liberal marxist cesspool schools your great leader Obama and his wife came from. Not to mention most (99%) of the corrupt scum in DC.

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