Insurance agents feeling left out of 'Obamacare'

Ken Statz, a health insurance broker, and president of Statz and Associates General Agency, is shown at his office in Brecksville, Ohio, Tuesday, Dec. 3, 2013. Statz has been stymied in his efforts to enroll clients through the online HealthCare.gov web site. (AP Photo/Phil Long)

Ken Statz, a health insurance broker, and president of Statz and Associates General Agency, is shown at his office in Brecksville, Ohio, Tuesday, Dec. 3, 2013. Statz has been stymied in his efforts to enroll clients through the online HealthCare.gov web site. (AP Photo/Phil Long)

— When insurance agent Kelly Fristoe recently spent 30 minutes helping a client pick a mid-level health plan and the federal marketplace website froze, he called the government's hotline and tried to finish the application. But the operator refused to credit Fristoe as an agent on the application, meaning he wouldn't get the commission or be listed as the follow-up contact if his client needed help again later.

The Wichita Falls, Texas, insurance agent is one of many brokers around the country finding frustration as they try to help customers navigate the Affordable Care Act's marketplaces while earning the commissions they've long built their businesses around. Some insurers and insurance agents are calling on President Barack Obama's administration to allow them to bypass healthcare.gov and enroll consumers directly amid growing complaints about problems with enrollment information generated from the website.

The so-called 'back-end' problems could mean that consumers who think they've successfully signed up for a health plan, may find themselves unable to access their coverage come January. The problems include enrollment information that's rendered practically useless by errors, duplication or garbles. Efforts to fix the issues are underway.

Nearly 70,000 agents and brokers have been certified nationwide to sell health insurance on the federal exchange. Many say they could be the troubled health law's best ambassadors with the potential to boost lackluster enrollment figures — only about 27,000 had enrolled via the federal website nationwide in the first month. But instead, many agents said they're continually met by obstacles.

"You look at this dismal number they have of how many people have enrolled on healthcare.gov," said Fristoe. "If they would just relax and loosen up, because me and all of my associates across this nation want to help these consumers get enrolled into the market."

Federal health officials announced on Nov. 22 that they'd fixed some portions of the website to allow more insurers and insurance agents to enroll consumers directly. The feds are asking roughly 16 insurers, agents and brokers in Florida, Texas and Ohio to test it out and give detailed feedback about the fixes, hoping to expand it to other states in the coming weeks. Health officials have been vague about the scope of the botched applications insurers are receiving and what steps they're taking to fix the problems. One bug related to Social Security numbers, which federal health officials said accounted for more than 80 percent of insurers' problems, was fixed last weekend.

But the problems have persisted, prompting the head of the National Association of Health Underwriters to write the president Tuesday, urging him to make additional fixes a priority, saying agents have a significant backlog of clients with incomplete applications.

"We want to make it clear that a number of back-end technical obstacles still exist for health insurance agents and brokers trying to actively support the federal marketplace," said CEO Janet Trautwein.

Insurance industry executives also met with Obama last month and encouraged him to let them take a more active role in enrolling consumers in the 36 states relying on the federal website. Brokers' frustrations with the website are amplified by the pressure they face to add customers to offset reductions in their commissions under the law.

Among the complaints, agents say the website isn't always crediting brokers when they help enroll consumers — meaning they're losing out on commissions. Once an application is started, consumers can't go back in and add a broker's name if they help midway through the process. Federal health officials said there are 975,000 customers who have started an application but not selected a plan.

Agents say they're also still waiting on the federal government to add a promised feature on the website that would easily connect consumers with local insurance brokers.

Insurers and insurance agents are allowed to sign consumers up for health plans through a "direct enrollment" process. Even though the process may start on the insurer's website, at some point it's redirected to the technology-plagued healthcare.gov website to determine if customers are eligible for subsidies, and then ideally transferred back to the insurer's site. But various points in the process have been mired in glitches. Federal health officials said they've fixed some of the problems, but skeptics fear the improvements still won't allow for a smooth shopping experience and are pushing for a way to bypass the website.

Brokers face similar problems in some of the states that are running their own exchanges, such as Oregon. It's easy for insurers to enroll customers who want a health plan and don't qualify for a subsidy. The trouble comes when insurers and agents need to sync to federal data hubs to verify income, citizenship and other personal information. Democratic Florida state Rep. Richard Stark, who is also an insurance agent, said many of his clients have received inaccurate subsidy estimates from the federal government for clients. For example, a client with twin children was told one is eligible for a subsidy, but not the other.

Like others stymied by website malfunctions, Ken Statz and other agents at his firm in Brecksville, Ohio, filled out paper applications and mailed them, but it was taking time to hear back from the federal government about whether clients are eligible for a subsidy. Then they tried to get creative, planning to fill out the applications with clients during the day and hire someone to input the information into healthcare.gov during off-hours after 11 p.m. But that didn't work either because the site asks personal identification questions that only the user would know.

"We don't have a clear pathway to get them enrolled into the plan. (The federal government) hasn't given us the ability to do that. They're kind of missing the mark on this. They need to realize that we are the best pathway," he said.

Democratic U.S. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, recently sent a letter to federal health officials urging them to fix the barriers hampering brokers and possibly create a way to bypass the healthcare.gov site. She suggested a dedicated call-center line or mailing locations for paper applications.

Stark has noticed a chilly reception toward his industry when he's attended local outreach organizations on the health overhaul.

"They basically didn't want to work with insurance agents because they felt agents were going to steer a customer toward (a plan) where they think they will make the most money," said Stark. "If I steer someone incorrectly to a plan that doesn't meet their needs, there's a lot of hell to pay as an agent."

Navigators will likely be gone when enrollment ends in March. That's why Statz said it's important for federal health officials to empower agents to "help people now, but help them make decisions on their accounts moving forward."

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August8 writes:

If you are left out your the lucky ones !!!!

WMissow writes:

Why have a system in which a hard working, knowledgeable businessman can properly serve the public when Obama can have it that a half a dozen incompetent civil service workers can get paid with our tax dollars to make believe in attempting do the same job?

It may look good when employment numbers come out, but it is the downfall of entrepreneurship
in this country.

August8 writes:

in response to WMissow:

Why have a system in which a hard working, knowledgeable businessman can properly serve the public when Obama can have it that a half a dozen incompetent civil service workers can get paid with our tax dollars to make believe in attempting do the same job?

It may look good when employment numbers come out, but it is the downfall of entrepreneurship
in this country.

Not yet, I think we can still kick his butt !!!

Konfuzius writes:

in response to WMissow:

Why have a system in which a hard working, knowledgeable businessman can properly serve the public when Obama can have it that a half a dozen incompetent civil service workers can get paid with our tax dollars to make believe in attempting do the same job?

It may look good when employment numbers come out, but it is the downfall of entrepreneurship
in this country.

If the presidents name will be Romney it will be the turn around for you.

WMissow writes:

Klaus,

I am happy you think that you are making a point, but what could have been has nothing to do with the content of the article. Facts are facts and it's nobody else's fault than the causative factor in the White House.

1Paradiselost writes:

Does this mean I can buy health insurance without paying any third party brokers fees?

If that's the case, we all might save some money on premiums instead of paying a middleman insurance Agent/broker.

Saving your hard earned money is good, right?

Konfuzius writes:

in response to WMissow:

Klaus,

I am happy you think that you are making a point, but what could have been has nothing to do with the content of the article. Facts are facts and it's nobody else's fault than the causative factor in the White House.

Not true islandeye! You forgot that the model of great President Barack Obama's so called Obamacare was created by Mitt Romney as Governor of Massachusetts. Bad for you that you can not bring the facts in the right order. But I will not call you the name you deserve. You are just not informed!

WMissow writes:

Klaus and Paradise the husband and wife tag team match, I can not believe that you misplaced liberal believers are still playing the blame game. Your man is a complete failure and you still believe in his incompetency.

I know you are hoping for better but in all honesty the wrong man is in the White House and maybe it is time to wake up and blame him his failures, not someone else.

Obama could not properly repeat a program already in place, good or bad.

WMissow writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Does this mean I can buy health insurance without paying any third party brokers fees?

If that's the case, we all might save some money on premiums instead of paying a middleman insurance Agent/broker.

Saving your hard earned money is good, right?

So in your way of thinking of things it is good to put hard working professionals out of work in order to provide work for incompetents
so that you can believe you are saving a well earned commission.

Maybe that's the plan Obama and cronies have for all commissioned professionals. How sweet if you can save a buck.

1Paradiselost writes:

WMissow Question.. Using your logic... How many jobs were lost when offices started using computers and fax machines, millions!

How many jobs were lost due to the E-mail you enjoy today?

How many jobs were lost when the EPA closed down 85% of the service stations across America in the early 1980's

How many jobs were lost in the automobile industry when robots replaced people?

How many small town "Ma & Pa" grocery stores were lost when Wal-Mart decided to move in to an area?

I agree with you on this one, However this has nothing to Do with Obama, your black scape goat!

Progress moves forward! Times change. People today need to learn how to "reinvent themselves"

What would the unemployment rate be now if the the above mentioned things did not happen? 3.0%, 3,5%?

BTW... You would not be living here if you did not know how to save a buck, unless you have a money tree hidden somewhere:) Let me use your words...

"How sweet if you can save a buck".

WMissow writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

WMissow Question.. Using your logic... How many jobs were lost when offices started using computers and fax machines, millions!

How many jobs were lost due to the E-mail you enjoy today?

How many jobs were lost when the EPA closed down 85% of the service stations across America in the early 1980's

How many jobs were lost in the automobile industry when robots replaced people?

How many small town "Ma & Pa" grocery stores were lost when Wal-Mart decided to move in to an area?

I agree with you on this one, However this has nothing to Do with Obama, your black scape goat!

Progress moves forward! Times change. People today need to learn how to "reinvent themselves"

What would the unemployment rate be now if the the above mentioned things did not happen? 3.0%, 3,5%?

BTW... You would not be living here if you did not know how to save a buck, unless you have a money tree hidden somewhere:) Let me use your words...

"How sweet if you can save a buck".

Dear Mrs. Klaus,

I guess you still believe what Obama is doing is progress?

Why do you find it necessary to pull the race card, when it has only been you alone who has mentioned it.

Progress is when something better replaces things that do not work. I guess the best progress will occur when we drop Obamacare and replace it with something that will work.

I live on Marco because I knew how to earn and save my money. Not by getting a handout because I failed to or did not try to as the majority of Obama supporters are doing?

Now go kiss Klaus good night?

Momface (Inactive) writes:

Mr. Missow,

Why bother responding to the two you mention? Have you noticed that nobody else responds to them or cares, in the slightest, of what they blog?

They are not worth your time or efforts.

1Paradiselost writes:

WMissow.... Excuse Me.. Your words not mine

"Maybe that's the plan Obama and cronies have for all commissioned professionals. " OR
"when we drop Obamacare and replace it with something that will work".

Are you having a senior moment? Obamacare is a REPUBLICAN PLAN! I'm not an Obama fan, However, I'm not a racist ether. Maybe you should read some of your past blogs? Here let me blow you a Kiss!

WMissow writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

WMissow.... Excuse Me.. Your words not mine

"Maybe that's the plan Obama and cronies have for all commissioned professionals. " OR
"when we drop Obamacare and replace it with something that will work".

Are you having a senior moment? Obamacare is a REPUBLICAN PLAN! I'm not an Obama fan, However, I'm not a racist ether. Maybe you should read some of your past blogs? Here let me blow you a Kiss!

Mrs.Klaus,

The sentence you keep repeating was sarcastic directed at you! It seem that your ability to read or publish facts is as bad as your poor husband who is still learning the language.

RayPray writes:

Why not consider Vladimir Putin's low cost health alternative plan?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/nyr...

Konfuzius writes:

in response to Momface:

Mr. Missow,

Why bother responding to the two you mention? Have you noticed that nobody else responds to them or cares, in the slightest, of what they blog?

They are not worth your time or efforts.

Momface have you senior moments or just a below IQ. This post of you is mot so old.

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Mr. K,

Sorry, I wish I knew how to respond to all of your comments while keeping my composure.
See a doctor or a cougar hunter you love so much.

Konfuzius writes:

in response to RayPray:

Why not consider Vladimir Putin's low cost health alternative plan?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/nyr...

islandeye has no idea who Vladimir Putin is. So he will never understand the basic of Putin's thinking. A native Midwest guy is limited in his world views. As member of the no passport generation its hard for him to look over the edge of his plate.

August8 writes:

Obama, feel free to add appropriate adjectives:

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

"Progress moves forward! Times change. People today need to learn how to "reinvent themselves"

PARADISELOST: Excellent point. Actually it is the UNDERGROUND economy which is keeping the trucks rolling and the mall parking lots full.

People ARE reinventing themselves by creating websites and selling products out of their homes and cellers. There is a lot of unrecorded money moving around.

That's why what you SEE doesn't match up with the miserable numbers; ie. High unemployment, yet there are waiting lines at restaurants with people eager to spend.

MIOCENE

WMissow writes:

August,

None of which will be honest, transparent, trustworthy, humble or non-racist.

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to August8:

Obama, feel free to add appropriate adjectives:

Keep in mind that in 2009 the Right Wing talkshow hosts criticised Obama for high unemployment, high gas prices, a plunging stock market and a lousy economy.

Since then the market has recovered, the economy is growing slowly, gas prices have come down, and as PARADISELOST said; people have reinvented themselves to adjust to the "new normal" of internet opportunities.

Other then that: Under every administration; CHIT HAPPENS (ie. benghazi, irs)

With that aside; the only thing left is Obamacare; which is really nothing more than an experiment to help the poor.

Americans will adjust to it no matter how it turns out; just as we adjusted to everything else.

All-in-all; considering N. Korea, the Russians, dealing with the Chinese, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Alkida, the Economy, Israel, and American social issues;

-Obama is not really doing such a bad job.

Momface (Inactive) writes:

Mr/s MIOCENE,

I beg your pardon. Making excuses and saying things that involved people being killed, losing their health insurance or betraying our friends oversea does not fall into the category of "Chit Happens" or an "experiment to help the poor". If falls into a category of complete arrogance, incompetence, and total disregard for the safety and welfare people who have served our country and who have worked hard all of their lives and then to lose their means of health care which they selected and paid into for decades. Some older people will not live long enough to be able to adjust to this administration's misrepresentations and broken promises.

Maybe it is time for the folks who still wish to save face by not seeing this should take their heads out of the sand and wake up!

August8 writes:

in response to WMissow:

August,

None of which will be honest, transparent, trustworthy, humble or non-racist.

You are being very nice and generous in your post !!

August8 writes:

in response to MIOCENE:

Keep in mind that in 2009 the Right Wing talkshow hosts criticised Obama for high unemployment, high gas prices, a plunging stock market and a lousy economy.

Since then the market has recovered, the economy is growing slowly, gas prices have come down, and as PARADISELOST said; people have reinvented themselves to adjust to the "new normal" of internet opportunities.

Other then that: Under every administration; CHIT HAPPENS (ie. benghazi, irs)

With that aside; the only thing left is Obamacare; which is really nothing more than an experiment to help the poor.

Americans will adjust to it no matter how it turns out; just as we adjusted to everything else.

All-in-all; considering N. Korea, the Russians, dealing with the Chinese, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Alkida, the Economy, Israel, and American social issues;

-Obama is not really doing such a bad job.

Precisely no accuracy in your post, sorry. He's pumping $85 billion a month into the market, any questions and wait for the price tag and life style that will bring.
Gas, in an economy as weak as this demand is low
and there are no current interruptions in supply
Which can change by 5PM today? And since when do Crat's like $350 per gal, when it was bush you were crazy lier's.
Forign policy is a joke and we are being bullied, surely you know how that feels as we did to lib's all the time in school?
Finally, Obama Care, tell that to those that have lost their insureance. This will bring this creep down, wait and see.

Merry Christmas Lib

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to Momface:

Mr/s MIOCENE,

I beg your pardon. Making excuses and saying things that involved people being killed, losing their health insurance or betraying our friends oversea does not fall into the category of "Chit Happens" or an "experiment to help the poor". If falls into a category of complete arrogance, incompetence, and total disregard for the safety and welfare people who have served our country and who have worked hard all of their lives and then to lose their means of health care which they selected and paid into for decades. Some older people will not live long enough to be able to adjust to this administration's misrepresentations and broken promises.

Maybe it is time for the folks who still wish to save face by not seeing this should take their heads out of the sand and wake up!

Thanks for responding.
Let me give you some historical examples of "C" happens in the not-so-distent past:
(not in a timeline)

The U-2 incident (1962) It screwed up relations between the US and the Soviets for years to come.

Gulf of Tonkin resolution (1964) 50,000 dead
Americans over an incident which never happened. (Vietnam)

1960's: Assasination of JFK, his brother, and M.L.King Jr. along with the poor people burning down the ghettos in N.Y, Chicago and Los Angeles.

The bloody riot at the Democratic National Convention in 1968.

The Battle of the Bulge (1944). The Allies thought the war almost over, so no need to be vigilent. Thousands of boys dead.
Disaster at Tarawa (WWII) Someone forgot to look at the tide charts
The Lusitania.
Friendly fire.

911. Whose falt was that?
2008 Economic collapse; and nobody saw it coming?

The Beirut 1983 bombing of the Marine Barracks.
Almost 280 dead Marines because we weren't watching.

Admiral Halsey steering the fleet into a typhoon 1945.
-and many, many more including why do bad things happen to good people.

So you see: What is going on now is not unusual. Given the number of variables in the mix; no matter who is president; "Chit"; in one form or another; -is inevitable;
and even if ROMNEY were in office; he would be having his share of it too; -and I would be making this same post.

MIOCENE

Konfuzius writes:

in response to MIOCENE:

Thanks for responding.
Let me give you some historical examples of "C" happens in the not-so-distent past:
(not in a timeline)

The U-2 incident (1962) It screwed up relations between the US and the Soviets for years to come.

Gulf of Tonkin resolution (1964) 50,000 dead
Americans over an incident which never happened. (Vietnam)

1960's: Assasination of JFK, his brother, and M.L.King Jr. along with the poor people burning down the ghettos in N.Y, Chicago and Los Angeles.

The bloody riot at the Democratic National Convention in 1968.

The Battle of the Bulge (1944). The Allies thought the war almost over, so no need to be vigilent. Thousands of boys dead.
Disaster at Tarawa (WWII) Someone forgot to look at the tide charts
The Lusitania.
Friendly fire.

911. Whose falt was that?
2008 Economic collapse; and nobody saw it coming?

The Beirut 1983 bombing of the Marine Barracks.
Almost 280 dead Marines because we weren't watching.

Admiral Halsey steering the fleet into a typhoon 1945.
-and many, many more including why do bad things happen to good people.

So you see: What is going on now is not unusual. Given the number of variables in the mix; no matter who is president; "Chit"; in one form or another; -is inevitable;
and even if ROMNEY were in office; he would be having his share of it too; -and I would be making this same post.

MIOCENE

You forgot Korea. s----- General MacArthur made the biggest mistake in military history. Estimated 60 000 Chines troops. Finally it was 500 000 he never saw. America lost that war with a very bloody nose. Great President Harry Truman fired the General. Great job.
Every President has his Benghazi trouble. No reason to blame great President Barack Obama.

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to August8:

Precisely no accuracy in your post, sorry. He's pumping $85 billion a month into the market, any questions and wait for the price tag and life style that will bring.
Gas, in an economy as weak as this demand is low
and there are no current interruptions in supply
Which can change by 5PM today? And since when do Crat's like $350 per gal, when it was bush you were crazy lier's.
Forign policy is a joke and we are being bullied, surely you know how that feels as we did to lib's all the time in school?
Finally, Obama Care, tell that to those that have lost their insureance. This will bring this creep down, wait and see.

Merry Christmas Lib

I understand where you are coming from; but this a new kind of world we live in.

In the days of Ronald Reagan (ie), our economy was more LINEAR; meaning that America was still the controlling world Capitalist power.
Today it is more complicated; where China and the emerging nations have made it more like an competition WEB.

There is a lot more global competition now from the billions of people who entered the free market since the fall of the Berlin Wall. These emerging markets want GAS; and their governments bid up the price.

There is also the social drag of increasing entitlements for the growing number of poor and working poor, resulting partially from the religious arm of the GOP's war on Planned Parenthood; discouraging birth control, and making harder for poor women to obtain abortion. Not to mention immigration of poor.

There is also the Catholic Church's discouraging of contraception in much of the impoverished Catholic Hispanic population; which immigrated here over the last twenty years which leads to millions of car washers and lawn cutters who can’t support their growing families on minimum wage.

This is leading to even MORE economic overhead; so don't expect a return to the old days of expansion and runaway American prosperity.
The SIMPLE economic factors which made America great in the past; -no longer apply.

Immigration and the defeat of world Communism has changed America; and the world; -forever.
Traditionalists like yourself are just going to have to get used to it; and learn to innovate; (PARADISELOST) as many are doing now by making products and selling world-wide from their own websites; working out of their garages and basements.

I don't believe Conservatives understand this; and any attempt to solve today’s problems with yesterday's solutions may make matters worse; a LOT worse.

The poor are having children, the middle class will be paying the bill; while the rich laugh all the way to the bank.

Welfare and Socialism are here forever; and the Middle Class has to adapt by making money in unorthodox, and hopefully legal ways.
The average Middle Class Joe can no longer just get out of high school, work on the assembly line; and make a good living in an expanding economy.

He (or she) has to now THINK and CREATE in order to survive in this new American environment; while paying the bills for the parasites and the hopeless; the population of which; thanks to the bible thumpers who control much of our government; is increasing with each year.

MIOCENE

Konfuzius writes:

in response to Momface:

Mr/s MIOCENE,

I beg your pardon. Making excuses and saying things that involved people being killed, losing their health insurance or betraying our friends oversea does not fall into the category of "Chit Happens" or an "experiment to help the poor". If falls into a category of complete arrogance, incompetence, and total disregard for the safety and welfare people who have served our country and who have worked hard all of their lives and then to lose their means of health care which they selected and paid into for decades. Some older people will not live long enough to be able to adjust to this administration's misrepresentations and broken promises.

Maybe it is time for the folks who still wish to save face by not seeing this should take their heads out of the sand and wake up!

"Some older people will not live long enough to be able to adjust to this administration's misrepresentations and broken promises."

What is wrong with that? It is anyway worthless in your opinion.

"Maybe it is time for the folks who still wish to save face by not seeing this should take their heads out of the sand and wake up!"

YES! Republicans, tea-party member, Romney fan, coygar hunter, knights of Pizarro, Magel voter and Marriott supporters. I guess that are the target groups you addressed. Maybe people support abortion and vegetarians.

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

Thanks KONFUZIUS.

Good point when CHIT HAPPENED during the Korean War (1952)when our soldiers went unprepared for a Siberian Winter.

I guess our government was too busy making money on pineapples and sugar cane to concern themselves with the welfare of the troops.

With any amount of perspective; any conservative should see that what is going on now is within the norm.

Did I forget Watergate? Where a president had to resign over one rifled desk and a roller deck; world history changed because of a night watchman.

"the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know" Harry Truman.

1Paradiselost writes:

Reading most of the blogs here come directly from Fox news talking points. As a Republican I refuse to drink that brain killing juice they serve.

Do they (Fox) ever report anything positive?

Where was the outrage when a terrorist truck bomb killed 241 American soldiers Lebanon when Reagan was president?

Oh I forgot, Nothing bad happens when a Republican is president....

9/11 anyone?

Yes, Chit Happens! Crazy people live all over the world. When I hear/read Fox talking points it makes me feel a group of American has lost their brains reasoning power between what's fact and fiction.

The watchers of FOX are to lazy to check out the facts and are gullible! Some even feel the earth is only 4,000 years old, just ask Rick Santorum. Who will be the nominee of the party in 2016.

One of the main reasons for the 2nd World War, the German people wanted to believe the propaganda the news services at that time feed them. We ALL must question the news we are feed from ALL sides, or we will be destine to repeat history's hard lessons.

FACT: The USA ranks 28 in the world in Health Care with the highest costs of any country on the planet earth per person. However Fox News won't tell you that! Question.. Who's getting rich? Please follow the money! Then you will find the answer.

Where is my parties plan? As an American with an open mind I'm waiting for something.. anything..... Romneycare/Obamacare is all we have right now... any ideas people?

So lets all try to have some original thought, NOT just Fox talking points. Predicting the future with a crystal ball is like going to a fortune teller for brain surgery.

Lets all use the brains God gave us and Stop "The boogieman is coming we should all be scared"! mindset. You can scare the weak minded.... Which is the Clown Car politics of No Ideas, no original thought.

Konfuzius writes:

The problem with right wing people is, their tolerance level is zero. It is not possible to argue with them. They never learned an argument exchange. It is just their world and nothing else. Even if they join every given Sunday the catholic church and listen to tolerance procedures, Monday it is forgotten. Fortunate they have no majority anymore. Remember, great President Billy Clinton just win because Ross Perot stepped in. He killed the re-election of George Bush Sr. And Bush Sr. was not a bad president. With the split in right wings and ultra right wings (tea-party stupids) republicans have no chance to win in 4 years. But they will never learn. Somebody blogged here even my friend Ronald Reagan, best of the best, will not win anymore. That tells you something. Republicans are responsible for Americas downfall. Nobody else. But they will never believe.

Momface (Inactive) writes:

I can not believe that people of intelligence are accepting incompetent actions today based upon equally incompetent actions of the past.

Do you really hear yourself justifying the urine poor history/actions of this administration? Get your heads out of the sand!

1Paradiselost writes:

Konfuzius Posted...

"Somebody blogged here even my friend Ronald Reagan, best of the best, will not win anymore. That tells you something. Republicans are responsible for Americas downfall"

Above it a true statement.. so kill the messenger?

If you think his head is stick in the sand.. I suggest you take your head out of your ***.

Momface (Inactive) writes:

Ms. Paradise,

Standing up for, who I have read is your husband, is quite commendable, but your use of profanity diminishes your argument considerably.

Momface (Inactive) writes:

in response to Momface:

Mr. Missow,

Why bother responding to the two you mention? Have you noticed that nobody else responds to them or cares, in the slightest, of what they blog?

They are not worth your time or efforts.

My own words should have been followed. Sorry folks!

1Paradiselost writes:

I feel sorry for you! You would have made the perfect German citizen during the 1930's. See my blog above...

BTW, I agree with you, No response needed!

Konfuzius writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

I feel sorry for you! You would have made the perfect German citizen during the 1930's. See my blog above...

BTW, I agree with you, No response needed!

Maybe her parents were members of the NSDAP and she is the product of this SS and SA crime! To much negative influence. Unfortunate that happened.

WMissow writes:

Momface,

You see using politeness does not mean anything to a liberal in an heated conversation. To them it is a sign of weakness in which they respond with personal insults, demeaning statements and outright bullying.

What you have said has had nothing to do with Germany it has to do with logic something the liberal never developed because they only believe in the liberal trash they repeat and rant about. Then they, the liberal, will go off topic and attempt, loudly, putting down anyone who disagrees with the point at hand so that they can attempt to prove their point of view, Logically speaking, this, appears to be an illness in order to prove to the world their, vision of self importance.

Their actions are to overwhelm and win by any means possible, even as far as saying something they are not, just to get you off balance.

Personally, I enjoy watching this behavior appear time and again with Klaus or his wife 1Paradise. They attempt to monopolize conversation to such a degree that there few others paying any attention to these blogs.

Thank you for your advice.

Konfuzius writes:

in response to WMissow:

Momface,

You see using politeness does not mean anything to a liberal in an heated conversation. To them it is a sign of weakness in which they respond with personal insults, demeaning statements and outright bullying.

What you have said has had nothing to do with Germany it has to do with logic something the liberal never developed because they only believe in the liberal trash they repeat and rant about. Then they, the liberal, will go off topic and attempt, loudly, putting down anyone who disagrees with the point at hand so that they can attempt to prove their point of view, Logically speaking, this, appears to be an illness in order to prove to the world their, vision of self importance.

Their actions are to overwhelm and win by any means possible, even as far as saying something they are not, just to get you off balance.

Personally, I enjoy watching this behavior appear time and again with Klaus or his wife 1Paradise. They attempt to monopolize conversation to such a degree that there few others paying any attention to these blogs.

Thank you for your advice.

However - the majority of America is liberal. Must be a good decision. You can not talk us down. To bad for you.

And your statement:

"Logically speaking, this, appears to be an illness in order to prove to the world their, vision of self importance."

... is original written down in Adolf Hitlers - Mein Kampf".

Other opinions are "..an illness..'
Kill them.

Shame on you. Maybe not. You have no idea what you are talking about!

WMissow writes:

Klaus,

As it was a couple of years ago your reference to Hitler is no more acceptable now as than it was when it was brought up at that time when you blogged under the removed name of Klabauterman.

It is totally disgusting that you have decided to use it, once again, in your sick means of discussion.

Konfuzius writes:

in response to WMissow:

Klaus,

As it was a couple of years ago your reference to Hitler is no more acceptable now as than it was when it was brought up at that time when you blogged under the removed name of Klabauterman.

It is totally disgusting that you have decided to use it, once again, in your sick means of discussion.

Sorry islandeye, your opinion is so sick, you have no idea what you post. Same stuff as your were removed as islandeye. To classified an opinion as illness is so poor I can not describe. Maybe you are sick. Your opinion is not acceptable anymore.

WMissow writes:

Thank you Klaus, since my opinion is no longer acceptable "anymore" means that it was acceptable in the past.

A bit of insight into the English language for you.

Konfuzius writes:

in response to WMissow:

Thank you Klaus, since my opinion is no longer acceptable "anymore" means that it was acceptable in the past.

A bit of insight into the English language for you.

"Thank you Klaus, since my opinion is no longer acceptable "anymore" means that it was acceptable in the past."

Not for me!

Momface (Inactive) writes:

in response to WMissow:

Momface,

You see using politeness does not mean anything to a liberal in an heated conversation. To them it is a sign of weakness in which they respond with personal insults, demeaning statements and outright bullying.

What you have said has had nothing to do with Germany it has to do with logic something the liberal never developed because they only believe in the liberal trash they repeat and rant about. Then they, the liberal, will go off topic and attempt, loudly, putting down anyone who disagrees with the point at hand so that they can attempt to prove their point of view, Logically speaking, this, appears to be an illness in order to prove to the world their, vision of self importance.

Their actions are to overwhelm and win by any means possible, even as far as saying something they are not, just to get you off balance.

Personally, I enjoy watching this behavior appear time and again with Klaus or his wife 1Paradise. They attempt to monopolize conversation to such a degree that there few others paying any attention to these blogs.

Thank you for your advice.

You are, so right, but is it worth the effort in convincing too far gone liberals? It is they who live in a world trying to prove themselves correct. Let them think that they make a difference. Not around here they are not!

1Paradiselost writes:

Are Republicans being sore losers?

Romneycare/Obamacare passed the House, the Senate, was signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. Granted, the House is currently controlled by Republicans; but when Obamacare passed, the House was controlled by Democrats. Therefore, Obamcare passed the House, the Senate, was signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court (a conservative leaning court BTW), and re-affirmed by the American people with the re-election of Barack Obama. That is the democratic process.

Obamacare is law and was made law by the democratic process. Why should Obama negotiate with something that has already become law and passed our democratic process? If Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare, the way to do it is by gaining majorities in the House and Senate, and by reclaiming the Presidency. Until then, shutting down the government just means the Republicans are sore losers and do not want to abide by our democratic process.

The Tea Party is truly a political faction that is destroying the very way our democracy works. Shutting down the government is a last ditch effort by a political party that can’t get its way through the democratic process known as elections. This is unprecedented and scary.

But thanks for making it even easier for Hillary to win in 2016. THE CLINTON'S ARE COMING BACK TO TOWN. GET READY, REPUBS

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10...

James Baker Says Republicans Were Losers!

"Republicans should abandon the idea of defunding Obamacare -- also known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Obama’s signature law mandating and expanding access to health coverage -- and instead focus on winning the Senate in 2014 and the White House in 2016, Baker said".

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10...

The comment above is a warning you will not find on FOX News. I trust Mr. Bakers comments to be in the party's best interest. If people don't listen and learn, you will fail over and over again!

Where is our Ronald Reagan?

Momface (Inactive) writes:

Sue, another cut and paste.....How original!

1Paradiselost writes:

It's not Fox news, however it's a leader of the Republican party.. or can't you read? It least I give you the link, not like Rand Paul who plagiarizes other peoples work!

BTW... Don't you think he needs to buy a better toupee? Ive seen better looking dead Palm rats run over on the streets of Marco.

What have you come up with.... Looking at the above blog... That's right, NOTHING!

Momface (Inactive) writes:

What is the Daily KOS and who it represents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dail...

1Paradiselost writes:

You forgot Bloomberg News where James Baker, former chief of staff to Ronald Reagan interview is located...

Ha, it figures, Wikipedia... Rand Pauls favorite place to plagiarize... Don't you think he needs to buy a better toupee?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomber...

AGAIN... What have you come up with.... Looking at the above blog... That's right, NOTHING! BTW.. Do you own a cat?

Konfuzius writes:

in response to Momface:

Sue, another cut and paste.....How original!

Do you mean copy and paste?

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