CHURCH LADY: A holiday greeting for all

San Marco Catholic Church’s Assistant Youth Minister Dorothy Flint stands next to her church’s Crèche on Dec. 14. 
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San Marco Catholic Church’s Assistant Youth Minister Dorothy Flint stands next to her church’s Crèche on Dec. 14. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

A Marco car sports a “Keep Christ in Christmas” Nativity auto magnet. 
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A Marco car sports a “Keep Christ in Christmas” Nativity auto magnet. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

Capri Christian Church member Barbara Cowden stands in the entranceway to her church on Dec. 7. 
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Capri Christian Church member Barbara Cowden stands in the entranceway to her church on Dec. 7. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

Marco Presbyterian Church Elder James Garvin stands next to his church’s Giving Tree on Dec. 8. 
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Marco Presbyterian Church Elder James Garvin stands next to his church’s Giving Tree on Dec. 8. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

Mary and Howard Lang pose for a picture at New Life Community Church on Dec. 8. 
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Mary and Howard Lang pose for a picture at New Life Community Church on Dec. 8. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

— Two separate conversations sparked the idea for this column. One was with a Jewish man who was glad to see Hanukkah associated with Thanksgiving because Hanukkah is “not the Jewish Christmas,” and another with a Christian man who mused we don’t have to say “ ‘happy holidays’ now that Hanukkah is over.”

That got the Church Lady wondering. What do Christians mean when they say Merry Christmas? Has it become a secular greeting?

For Capri Christian Church member and retiree Barbara Cowden, Christmas greetings are not complicated. She typically greets someone with “Have a Merry Christmas or have a wonderful Christmas or have a beautiful Christmas.” She makes a point to always use the word Christmas.

“It is so important during this time of year that we remember and we celebrate the birth of Jesus,” wrote Cowden in an email. “He should be at the center of all that we do, whether it is this Christmas season or throughout out the year. God, our Father, loves each and every one of us so much and it is so important that people be reminded about the birth of His son, Jesus, and that this amazing gift from God means we can each experience a new life through his son, Jesus.”

San Marco Catholic Church’s Assistant Youth Minister Dorothy Flint, who with her husband, formerly served with Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity in Bronx, N.Y. doesn’t use Christmas greetings during Advent, the four Sundays before Christmas. She instead observes the Octave of Christmas, Christmas Day and the seven days that follow.

“When people say ‘Merry Christmas’ no one is thinking about Jesus’ birth,” said Flint. “It has become too secular.”

She also doesn’t like the word merry as it sound too “Santa Clausy.”

“We should be keeping Christ in Christmas,” she said. She greets people strong in their faith with: “Christ’s blessing on his birthday or Christmas peace to you and your family.”

She reserves “hope you have a happy Christmas” for strangers and store clerks.

Goodland Baptist Church member Gaby Porter has lived in Marco and Goodland since 1964 feels strongly about using Merry Christmas and would never use the all-inclusive happy holidays. For her as with the others it’s all about Christ’s birth.

“All my family believe in God and they all say Merry Christmas,” she said. It is also about our county’s Christian heritage and she recalled the words “God shed his grace on thee” from “America the Beautiful.” Her brothers and father were all in the military and fought for our freedom.

She doesn’t want to see the word Christmas abolished in America. “It’s all about freedom of speech.”

Marco Presbyterian Church Elder Jim Garvin is an educator who feels blessed to live in a country where differences of opinion are welcome. However, he is sometimes confused when someone wishes him “Happy Holidays” and he wonders what holiday he or she is celebrating.

“Christmas is a wonderful time for Christians as we are celebrating one of the most important events in the history or the world; the birth of a savior through whom we are reconciled with God,” he said. “Christians ought to be merry and excited. It’s a time to experience the supernatural, the saving grace of Christ.”

For Garvin, a Christmas greeting begins a respectful conversation, sharing what he believes, while entering into and understanding the other person’s point of view.

Jewish Congregation of Marco Island member Bert Thompson is not offended when someone wishes him a Merry Christmas.

“Our Torah tells us to be respectful of all religions,” he said. Depending on the situation he’ll mention that he celebrates Hanukkah and say, “I truly pray that this will be a peaceful time so you can enjoy the holiday” or “may you truly enjoy the time of peace that comes with your holiday.”

He also recalled with a twinkle in his eye how as a child in an Orthodox Jewish household gathering and wrapping Christmas gifts with his father and leaving them at St. Michael’s Orphanage in New Jersey. “No one ever knew who the gifts were from,” he said.

Part-time Marco residents Howard and Mary Lang also focused on peace. The Lang’s are members of Willow Creek Church in Illinois and attend Marco’s New Life Community Church.

Howard rarely says Merry Christmas preferring “enjoy the holiday” or “have a great family time.” He tries to gear the greeting to the listener. To a Jewish or Muslim friend he might say “blessings and peace to you and your family.” As a lawyer and estate planner, he knows first hand that families are complicated. “We are all looking for blessings and peace in our families,” he mused. “And we are all children of Abraham.”

Howard is also the founder and a director of the Arab-American Bar Association and explained that peace is “shalom” in Hebrew and “salem” in Arabic.

Mary prefers to include a blessing in her greetings, such as “may God bless you and your family.” Merry Christmas, for her, has become rather trite, akin to “have a nice day.”

She frequently says, “may Christ enrich your holiday” which often leads to a short conversation. Mary wants everyone to experience the peace at Christmas “that we experience through the Prince of Peace.”

Peace to you and yours this Christmas, Kathleen

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RayPray writes:

“It is so important during this time of year that we remember and we celebrate the birth of Jesus...."

>>> Baloney! Once the Christians took over the Roman Empire, everybody knew they had no idea when Jesus was born. Did the ancient Jews even note & celebrate birthdays? So the Church picked the Roman Winter Solstice and the advent of the Roman Sun God Sol Invictus. This was not some secret. Only a numbskull thinks Jesus was born on 12/25.

>>> This was likewise the feast day for the Roman Saturnalia for sex & drunkenness.

>>> Thru the middle ages Xmas was just some minor holiday. The top Xtian holidays were All Souls Day -- Halloween -- and Easter.

>>> Xmas only became celebrated like today with the rise of middle class wealth first in England, then the rest of Europe.

“We should be keeping Christ in Christmas,”

>>> Wrong!

>>> Forget Jesus!

>>> The true meaning of Xmas historically is Shopping & drinking.

>>> In practice, from Black Friday mayhem on, most Xtians seem to get this right....

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

"Jesus is the son of god"
REALLY?

Let’s take an OBJECTIVE look at Christ as a god.

In December there is a Menorah and a Nativity scene side by side.

The Nativity Scene says that Jesus was the savior; and the Menorah says (or represents) NO; he WASN'T the savior. The divine Jesus was a hoax. The savior is yet to come.

These are both ABSOLUTES to Jews and Christians; meaning that the Jews KNOW they are right, and the Christians also know THEY are right; as EACH can provide proof of validity within their own scripture.

So within the framework of these two absolutes; Christianity is a absolute POSITIVE with respect to the messianic Jesus; and Judaism is an absolute NEGATIVE with respect to Jesus.

A positive and a negative cancel each other out to a net value of ZERO.
So you see:
Regardless of the rich history of both religions; the statues, paintings, all the theologians past and present, the magnificent cathedrals and temples; the monotonous words of thousands of clergy, the holy cities and the holy wall;

-we find that of this writing; the combined Messianic absolutes of Christianity and Judaism cancel each other out to a net value of ZERO.

It all adds up to NOTHING, at least nothing more then was known and practiced by the Iroquois Indians; thousands of years before Moses took his first breath.

The CHURCH LADY is feeding you exaggeration, hallucination, self-delusion,- and lies.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

I hope the Marco News leaves this letter in the forfront for a while. There should be more discussion about clergy-types claiming absolutes.

Consider this quote from the letter: "god loves each and every one of us".

This god either caused or ALLOWED the Christian Philippines to be ravaged by a typhoon killing thousands. (as he was loving each and every one of these poor faithful peasants)

There is no doubt that religion is a mental disorder; wrapped neatly by the clergy in a package of power and/or money; and cloaked in a veil of morality; all of it to offset man’s fear of death and the thought of oblivion.

That’s why the survivors always follow the aftermath of any disaster with the words: “thank god”. Any suffering that god causes or allows is better then oblivion; so let’s not upset the “lord” by showing displeasure with his “ways”.

Only a mental disorder could prevent the faithful from realizing that of the hundreds of poets, philosophers, writers and historians who lived during the time of Jesus; along with the correspondence of average citizens throughout the Empire; there is little no mention of Jesus the “miracle worker“; or for that matter of Jesus at all.

Very odd for a man-god who supposedly strolled the countryside healing everything from leprosy to blindness.

It was all a hoax; and has been perpetuated by con-men since the middle of the first century.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

Think about this:

It would be interesting to see a Rabbi, Christian Theologian and an Islamic Cleric all sitting at a panel on National TV; each trying to prove the validity of his own religion to the exclusion of the other two.

What a THREE-RING-CIRCUS that would be as each one tries to prove the validity of his OWN religion to the falsehood of the others.

How ridiculous each one would look condemning the other two as superstition; as all three cancel each other out to a net value of zero.

You see: You will never SEE such a panel because even the clergy KNOWS that their own faith is nothing but Medieval rubbish; and that religion is nothing but big and small business where the clergy makes a living keeping the gullible faithful snapping at the dangling carrot of the mythical kingdom of heaven.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

CopWatch writes:

in response to MIOCENE:

Think about this:

It would be interesting to see a Rabbi, Christian Theologian and an Islamic Cleric all sitting at a panel on National TV; each trying to prove the validity of his own religion to the exclusion of the other two.

What a THREE-RING-CIRCUS that would be as each one tries to prove the validity of his OWN religion to the falsehood of the others.

How ridiculous each one would look condemning the other two as superstition; as all three cancel each other out to a net value of zero.

You see: You will never SEE such a panel because even the clergy KNOWS that their own faith is nothing but Medieval rubbish; and that religion is nothing but big and small business where the clergy makes a living keeping the gullible faithful snapping at the dangling carrot of the mythical kingdom of heaven.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

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MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

Now let's take a look at the "kingdom of god"; the heaven, paradise or afterlife which the clergy SELLS to the vulnerable in order to make a living or maintain power over the faithful.

Heaven doesn't exist, and this is why:
Eternal salvation is the engine which drives Christianity; meaning that without this BRIBE; the clergy would have no control over their flock.

Say you make it to heaven. What about your best friend, or the man who saved your son's life in Viet nam, your sister, a brother, a beloved aunt, a parent, a loving spouse, the nice neighbor who always lent a helping hand.

How are you going to be happy in heaven; knowing that one of these is screaming over a slow fire in hell for all eternity?
After all. SOMEBODY'S mother is going to hell.

So you see: The whole concept of an afterlife is unworkable; because it is a SELFISH concept.
Unworkable unless those who make it to heaven are transformed into unfeeling, robots; unmoved by the sight of the neighborhood ice cream man screaming within a wall of flames.

The only people who would be psychologically fit for a heavenly existence would be the likes of Charles Manson and Adolph Hitler.
Mother Theresa would NOT be happy there.

The whole concept of an afterlife, the rapture; heaven; cannot possibly work.
So you see: Heaven doesn't exist. It can't; because the kind of people who are supposed to go there; wouldn't be happy.

Regardless; it's all messianic rubbish; and the only reason Christianity "got off the ground" in the first place was because it was sold with a CANDY JAR containing the mythical promise of eternal salvation.

However: I DO understand WHY Christians believe. What I DON'T understand is HOW any rational and intelligent person CAN believe in heaven after thinking about it for a while; which of course they are afraid of letting themselves do; for fear of arriving at the reality that: Heaven is unworkable.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

CopWatch writes:

in response to MIOCENE:

Now let's take a look at the "kingdom of god"; the heaven, paradise or afterlife which the clergy SELLS to the vulnerable in order to make a living or maintain power over the faithful.

Heaven doesn't exist, and this is why:
Eternal salvation is the engine which drives Christianity; meaning that without this BRIBE; the clergy would have no control over their flock.

Say you make it to heaven. What about your best friend, or the man who saved your son's life in Viet nam, your sister, a brother, a beloved aunt, a parent, a loving spouse, the nice neighbor who always lent a helping hand.

How are you going to be happy in heaven; knowing that one of these is screaming over a slow fire in hell for all eternity?
After all. SOMEBODY'S mother is going to hell.

So you see: The whole concept of an afterlife is unworkable; because it is a SELFISH concept.
Unworkable unless those who make it to heaven are transformed into unfeeling, robots; unmoved by the sight of the neighborhood ice cream man screaming within a wall of flames.

The only people who would be psychologically fit for a heavenly existence would be the likes of Charles Manson and Adolph Hitler.
Mother Theresa would NOT be happy there.

The whole concept of an afterlife, the rapture; heaven; cannot possibly work.
So you see: Heaven doesn't exist. It can't; because the kind of people who are supposed to go there; wouldn't be happy.

Regardless; it's all messianic rubbish; and the only reason Christianity "got off the ground" in the first place was because it was sold with a CANDY JAR containing the mythical promise of eternal salvation.

However: I DO understand WHY Christians believe. What I DON'T understand is HOW any rational and intelligent person CAN believe in heaven after thinking about it for a while; which of course they are afraid of letting themselves do; for fear of arriving at the reality that: Heaven is unworkable.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

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MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

COPWATCH:
Thanks for reading.
Want to learn more?

Every wonder why we know so much about HELL and almost NOTHING about Heaven?

Think about it. We don't even know if we can play golf or go fishing in heaven; yet we know all about the horrors of Hell leaving nothing to the imagination.

THIS IS WHY:
During the Middle Ages and before, Catholic clergy found that a great way to get people to the church COLLECTION BASKETS was to tell horror stories about HELL; -and it WORKED!

People would travel miles through blizzards and rain storms just to hear the sermons about the diabolical tortures happening to people in Hell; being eaten alive, immersed in sewage, screaming within a wall of flames.

These clergy were telling the first HORROR STORIES; the fore runners of "Halloween", "Nightmare on Elm Street" , and "Texas Chain Saw Massacre"; -and the audience loved them; just like they do today.

It is interesting how the so-called religion of love sold more seats on Sunday by showing “HELL” when they could by featuring “It’s a Wonderful Life”.

Medieval writers and artists picked up on Hell's popularity and joined the bandwagon
The clergy loved it and so did the faithful.

That’s why your local preacher can tell you all about the“fire and brimstone“ of hell; yet he hits you with “generalities” if you ask if you will ever see your little “Yorkie” in heaven.

So if the Christian wishes to live in his little narcotic dream world of eternal salvation; so be it; but that’s exactly what it is; a dream world of self delusion.

As with heaven, there is no hell.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

CopWatch writes:

1. God provides the best explanation of the origin of the universe. Given the scientific evidence we have about our universe and its origins, and bolstered by arguments presented by philosophers for centuries, it is highly probable that the universe had an absolute beginning. Since the universe, like everything else, could not have merely popped into being without a cause, there must exist a transcendent reality beyond time and space that brought the universe into existence. This entity must therefore be enormously powerful. Only a transcendent, unembodied mind suitably fits that description.

2. God provides the best explanation for the fine-tuning of the universe. Contemporary physics has established that the universe is fine-tuned for the existence of intelligent, interactive life. That is to say, in order for intelligent, interactive life to exist, the fundamental constants and quantities of nature must fall into an incomprehensibly narrow life-permitting range. There are three competing explanations of this remarkable fine-tuning: physical necessity, chance, or design. The first two are highly implausible, given the independence of the fundamental constants and quantities from nature's laws and the desperate maneuvers needed to save the hypothesis of chance. That leaves design as the best explanation.

3. God provides the best explanation of objective moral values and duties. Even atheists recognize that some things, for example, the Holocaust, are objectively evil. But if atheism is true, what basis is there for the objectivity of the moral values we affirm? Evolution? Social conditioning? These factors may at best produce in us the subjective feeling that there are objective moral values and duties, but they do nothing to provide a basis for them. If human evolution had taken a different path, a very different set of moral feelings might have evolved. By contrast, God Himself serves as the paradigm of goodness, and His commandments constitute our moral duties. Thus, theism provides a better explanation of objective moral values and duties.

CopWatch writes:

4. God provides the best explanation of the historical facts concerning Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. Historians have reached something of consensus that the historical Jesus thought that in himself God’s Kingdom had broken into human history, and he carried out a ministry of miracle-working and exorcisms as evidence of that fact. Moreover, most historical scholars agree that after his crucifixion Jesus’ tomb was discovered empty by a group of female disciples, that various individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death, and that the original disciples suddenly and sincerely came to believe in Jesus’ resurrection despite their every predisposition to the contrary. I can think of no better explanation of these facts than the one the original disciples gave: God raised Jesus from the dead.

5. God can be personally known and experienced. The proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Down through history Christians have found through Jesus a personal acquaintance with God that has transformed their lives.

The good thing is that atheists tend to be very passionate people and want to believe in something. If they would only put aside the slogans for a moment and reexamine their worldview in light of the best philosophical, scientific, and historical evidence we have today, then they, too, would find Christmas worth celebrating!

RayPray writes:

in response to CopWatch:

1. God provides the best explanation of the origin of the universe. Given the scientific evidence we have about our universe and its origins, and bolstered by arguments presented by philosophers for centuries, it is highly probable that the universe had an absolute beginning. Since the universe, like everything else, could not have merely popped into being without a cause, there must exist a transcendent reality beyond time and space that brought the universe into existence. This entity must therefore be enormously powerful. Only a transcendent, unembodied mind suitably fits that description.

2. God provides the best explanation for the fine-tuning of the universe. Contemporary physics has established that the universe is fine-tuned for the existence of intelligent, interactive life. That is to say, in order for intelligent, interactive life to exist, the fundamental constants and quantities of nature must fall into an incomprehensibly narrow life-permitting range. There are three competing explanations of this remarkable fine-tuning: physical necessity, chance, or design. The first two are highly implausible, given the independence of the fundamental constants and quantities from nature's laws and the desperate maneuvers needed to save the hypothesis of chance. That leaves design as the best explanation.

3. God provides the best explanation of objective moral values and duties. Even atheists recognize that some things, for example, the Holocaust, are objectively evil. But if atheism is true, what basis is there for the objectivity of the moral values we affirm? Evolution? Social conditioning? These factors may at best produce in us the subjective feeling that there are objective moral values and duties, but they do nothing to provide a basis for them. If human evolution had taken a different path, a very different set of moral feelings might have evolved. By contrast, God Himself serves as the paradigm of goodness, and His commandments constitute our moral duties. Thus, theism provides a better explanation of objective moral values and duties.

"God provides the best explanation of the origin of the universe."

>>> Some upper demi-urge provides no explanation at all, like saying colors provide the explanation for 'red'

"bolstered by arguments presented by philosophers for centuries"

>>> What arguments? what philosophers?

"it is highly probable that the universe had an absolute beginning."

>>> Why is it probable?

>>> Even if probable, not certainly not certain....

"the universe, like everything else, could not have merely popped into being without a cause"

>>> Why not?

"there must exist a transcendent reality beyond time and space that brought the universe into existence."

>>> No, some small perturbation in the quantum vacuum fills the bill mathematically....

"Contemporary physics has established that the universe is fine-tuned for the existence of intelligent, interactive life."

>>> Not true. What physics suggests is a possibly infinite mult-iverse, each with variable sets of physical 'constants', one of which we occupy by luck....

"objective moral values and duties"

>>> These are determines by the winners. If we had lost WWII, the Nazis had philosophers aplenty advancing their own ethics

Religion = Fairy Tales for Adults.

You want to cling to this silliness, realize that the popes & High Priests calling the show are all cynical con men laughing down at yyou....

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

COPWATCH:
Your evidence for god is all philosophy and wishful thinking.

Your problem is: It doesn't PROOVE the existence of god. All the verbal gymnastics in the world has not qualified god as TRUTH.

Yet the clergy SPEAKS OF IT as truth.

You see: The Atheist doesn't say that there is no god. The Atheist says that OF THIS MOMENT there is no objective proof that god exists.

You see: Each religion is only valid within its own scripture. Once you step OUT of your specific religious box; your religion is rendered false by the (valid) scripture of the NEIGHBORING religion.

That's why; for the most part; Jews remain Jews and Christians remain Christians.

In my next post I will explain what Atheism is and isn't.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

1Paradiselost writes:

Momface signs off this past week... RIP 7/24/10 thru 12/14/13.

Now a new blogger appears... CopWatch!

Welcome!

Could it be? Are they the same person, Only time will tell...

So far, they both live on the same side of the street.

Here is George Carlin's take on religion.

"When it comes to big-time, major league bull, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest.

Religion easily has the greatest bull story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.

And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time"!

BUT HE LOVES YOU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2N...

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

PARADISELOST:

Carlin also made an interesting (yet obvious) mention about PRAYER.

We have all heard the clergy say that "God has a plan for each and every one of us."

Well if that is so; then what good is prayer?
If god has the outcome planned, then prayer is useless. It isn't going to change the plan god HAS for us.

-But if prayer can change anything; then god had no definate plan to begin with.

Ruger writes:

Well said Kathleen,

This time of year most of us celebrate the birth of baby Jesus and enjoy the traditions that made America Great.

And we are reminded of those around us who seem to hate these things (see above).

Merry Christmas To All!!

Northerner writes:

Paradise, You're spot on with Copwatch. The holier than thou MomfaceMarcoDefenderRuger has been resurrected. Watch out for CougarBaby next.

CopWatch writes:

in response to Northerner:

Paradise, You're spot on with Copwatch. The holier than thou MomfaceMarcoDefenderRuger has been resurrected. Watch out for CougarBaby next.

Well, well,,,,,,,,,,You made the watch list Northerner

Northerner writes:

CrotchWatch,
shouldn't you be out on the streets with your holy jar begging for money. There are so many needy kids on the island that need more elbow room for their Ipads at the community center. It's so sad...

CopWatch writes:

in response to Northerner:

CrotchWatch,
shouldn't you be out on the streets with your holy jar begging for money. There are so many needy kids on the island that need more elbow room for their Ipads at the community center. It's so sad...

I now own your mind. You will be compelled to reply to every post. Don't forget to look over your shoulder. IP addresses sure can reveal a lot.

1Paradiselost writes:

It's the jerk with the IP address. Should I refresh the bloggers who you are?

Your like black mold in August.

CopWatch writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

It's the jerk with the IP address. Should I refresh the bloggers who you are?

Your like black mold in August.

Please feel free............ BUT take a bath first, the smell of fish is annoying.

MIOCENE1 writes:

in response to Ruger:

Well said Kathleen,

This time of year most of us celebrate the birth of baby Jesus and enjoy the traditions that made America Great.

And we are reminded of those around us who seem to hate these things (see above).

Merry Christmas To All!!

Actually, I don't hate Christian Tradition.
My problem with the religion is when the Evangelists took over, and took control of the Republican Party; turning the GOP into a religion; bent on replacing the Constitution with the Bible.

ie. Rolling women's rights back to the 1950's

Over the last 25 or so years I heard enough from Republicans about "our lord Jesus Christ"; and being more consernced the the AFTERLIFE rather then the world of the living.

That's when I began doing some research and thinking about the claims of Christianity with respect to their god.

-and the research shows that the messianic claims of Christianity; as of this writing; are pure rubbish.

MIOCENE

CopWatch writes:

in response to MIOCENE1:

Actually, I don't hate Christian Tradition.
My problem with the religion is when the Evangelists took over, and took control of the Republican Party; turning the GOP into a religion; bent on replacing the Constitution with the Bible.

ie. Rolling women's rights back to the 1950's

Over the last 25 or so years I heard enough from Republicans about "our lord Jesus Christ"; and being more consernced the the AFTERLIFE rather then the world of the living.

That's when I began doing some research and thinking about the claims of Christianity with respect to their god.

-and the research shows that the messianic claims of Christianity; as of this writing; are pure rubbish.

MIOCENE

Grumpy old women: It's the ladies who lose their cool more as the years go by

It's enough to put a spring in the step of grumpy men everywhere - women may be more miserable than they are.

Despite starting life more satisfied, women end up less happy with their lot than their male friends and colleagues, the latest research shows.

By the age of 48 women are the sadder sex - while men start to enjoy the best years of their lives.

The key to the findings, from Cambridge University researcher Anke Plagnol, are differing financial and family situations.

On entering adulthood, women are on average more satisfied with their lives than their male peers.

But, as time passes, they are less likely to find lasting love and meet their material goals.

MIOCENE1 writes:

in response to Ruger:

Well said Kathleen,

This time of year most of us celebrate the birth of baby Jesus and enjoy the traditions that made America Great.

And we are reminded of those around us who seem to hate these things (see above).

Merry Christmas To All!!

If the Angel Gabriel visited Mary to announce the birth of Jesus, the son of god;

-then why did the same Angel Gabriel visit Mohammed some six centuries later to start a NEW religion which denies the divinity of this same Jesus?

Get the picture?

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

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