Gun resolution and city manager performance appraisal on the docket for future Marco Island City Council meetings

Members of the public attend Mondayís Marco Island City Council to support a resolution to curtail enforcement of new gun control legislation. The group asked the city to pass a nullification resolution. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Members of the public attend Mondayís Marco Island City Council to support a resolution to curtail enforcement of new gun control legislation. The group asked the city to pass a nullification resolution. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

During public comment, Bob Olson points to a schematic Monday showing areas on San Marco Road, S.R. 92, near Goodland where mangrove restoration still needs funding. Olson asked Marco Islandís City Councilors to sign two letters to other groups requesting grants. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

During public comment, Bob Olson points to a schematic Monday showing areas on San Marco Road, S.R. 92, near Goodland where mangrove restoration still needs funding. Olson asked Marco Islandís City Councilors to sign two letters to other groups requesting grants. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

City Council Vice Chairman Ken Honecker questions the need for additional engineering on the Septic Tank Replacement Program in the estates area sewer district. Marco Islandís City Council approved another $106,853 Monday for engineering to cover unforeseen issues. To the left of Honecker is Council Chairman Joe Batte. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

City Council Vice Chairman Ken Honecker questions the need for additional engineering on the Septic Tank Replacement Program in the estates area sewer district. Marco Islandís City Council approved another $106,853 Monday for engineering to cover unforeseen issues. To the left of Honecker is Council Chairman Joe Batte. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Councilor Larry Honig discusses the concept of revenue neutrality Monday in the M54 model for utility rates. Marco Islandís City Council will address the model and other rates issues at an upcoming workshop. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Councilor Larry Honig discusses the concept of revenue neutrality Monday in the M54 model for utility rates. Marco Islandís City Council will address the model and other rates issues at an upcoming workshop. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

— Gun rights supporters rallied Monday at Marco Island's City Council meeting to bring forward a resolution they hope the city will endorse. Applause and cheers succeeded a reading of a nullification document followed by an explanation from Keith Flaugh.

Flaugh is a community leader with Get Out of Our House, or GOOOH, focused on constitutional rights including preservation of the Second Amendment.

The resolution would set the city in direct conflict with the Federal government if gun control legislation is mandated by law. The effort to move the resolution through council was initiated after the Newtown, Conn., school shooting prompted President Barack Obama to seek tighter gun regulations. The group said the effect would impinge on its constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

If the resolution were adopted as presented, the city would ask state and county governments to pass legislation nullifying within their jurisdictions any Federal laws on gun controls. It went further to require the city to stand down its police or paid staff if required to implement new Federal laws.

Councilor Larry Sacher was the first to address council. He said he had discussed the issue with Police Chief Don Hunter who told him the police chief's responsibility was to uphold the constitution of the United States. Sacher said, if the resolution came to a vote, he would oppose it.

Council Chairman Joe Batte, Vice Chairman Ken Honecker and Councilors Larry Magel and Amadeo Petricca supported placing the resolution on council's Feb. 19 agenda. City Attorney Burt Saunders suggested before council took up the resolution, its wording should be studied to protect the city and city employees.

Council also considered moving a formal appraisal of the city manager to an upcoming agenda. The discussion had been scheduled for April.

Believing it might work as a starting point for discussion, Petricca gave the city manager an evaluation form used by the City of Naples. Other councilors said they would review it to see if it met their needs.

Magel offered a historical perspective, saying an evaluation of a city manager had not been done for four years. He also believed city personnel filled out their own evaluations.

"We should be more diligent in doing these," he remarked.

Magel said he would not fill out a written evaluation for the manager because he believed an evaluation should be given orally and in a public forum. He did not think the April date seemed too far away, considering four new councilors have worked with the city manager only since November.

Sacher, one of those new councilors, requested the evaluation be on the agenda for the first meeting in March.

In other business, council awarded $106,853 to AECOM Engineering for additional Septic Tank Replacement Program design work in the estates sewer district. The amount exceeds original estimates, said Jim Miller, the city's project engineer, due to unforeseen archaeological monitoring, gopher tortoise protection, electrical configuration and topography demands.

Peter Piro of Inlet Drive asked the city to be more forthcoming with information about the progress of the estates area sewer installation. The project should be completed by the end of May unless weather or other issues push it into June.

Council awarded the contract for Hideaway Beach erosion control to Marine Contracting Group for $1.577 million. Councilors also approved Hideaway's request to borrow up to $2 million for the project. Most of the project and any costs for borrowing money will be paid by Hideaway residents through a Municipal Service Taxing Unit, Magel said.

City Council will hold a workshop at 9 a.m. on Wednesday, Feb. 13. City business to be covered at the workshop was still undecided at the Monday meeting.

Gun rights supporters will hold a Town Hall meeting at 7 p.m., Tuesday, Feb. 26, at Marco Presbyterian Church, 875 W. Elkcam Circle. The two-hour meeting will include a discussion by law enforcement, a presentation by Attorney Krisanne Hall on Federal overreach, and a question and answer period for the public.

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August8 writes:

Thank God the people in this City want to get ahead of Obama Action.In my view very little of this new law would survive if any.

August8 writes:

You know, instead of being one of the top 100 places to raise kids in the U.S., Marco could clearly be number one but only if they could convince Klaus (above) to return to New York.

OldMarcoMan writes:

I wonder how many City Councilmen have CC Permits? I know for a fact at one time three Councilmen did, I wonder what the count is now?

ajm3s writes:

There was a not only a heated discussion, but sadly there was a request by a council member to silence citizens clapping during public comment as a "point of order". Earlier, he includes in his rebuttal to the request for a resolution regarding the 2nd Amendment by stating:

"You guys are absolutely crazy" The discussion begins at time stamp 56:11, the quoted comment at 58:25:

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Another sad day in America. Never ends, the quest to whittle away the 2nd amendment, and then asking the council chairman to silence the crowd during the community public forum: [time stamp: 1:10:00] or to counter "personal attacks" [1:23:00]

God, why is America so afraid of freedom and its expression?? And moreso, why are publicly elected officials to represent us wish to silence a crowd? Is it too unordered?

Thank you, Mr. Batte, council chair for allowing the folks to speak out, because in my estimation, the crowd was churning, but sometimes it was a direct response to comments by council members.

And for those charged with protecting the weakest in our society, I offer the following testimony to rebut Mr. Kiester's question:

"How many bullets does it take to kill 22 children?" Answer: Whatever it takes a mother to defend her children in an attack while on the phone to 911 requesting aid.

http://www.whatthefolly.com/2013/01/3...

Folks, I know this is heated but the 2nd Amendment was to protect you against overwhelming power, including the most overwhelming, tyrannical power.

Those that experience the direct hand of tyrannical power. Mr. Victor Rios provides a perspective of those who experienced it firsthand [time stamp: 1:01:00]

Its not about guns, its about your right to protect yourself with overwhelming power. And if you believe the government can protect you, then by all means we should eliminate the 2nd Amendment and create gun-free zones.

The Newtown school tragedy occurred in a gun-free zone,vand there was no overwhelming power to counter a citizen with the intent to kill in a school.

Its about overwhelming power, and if we continue down the path of removing guns from society we shall be victims of overwhelming power from those with criminal intent since laws are meaningless to them.

mahiman writes:

Really?? Council is wasting time on this issue??

marcofriend writes:

in response to ajm3s:

There was a not only a heated discussion, but sadly there was a request by a council member to silence citizens clapping during public comment as a "point of order". Earlier, he includes in his rebuttal to the request for a resolution regarding the 2nd Amendment by stating:

"You guys are absolutely crazy" The discussion begins at time stamp 56:11, the quoted comment at 58:25:

http://view.liveindexer.com/ViewIndex...

Another sad day in America. Never ends, the quest to whittle away the 2nd amendment, and then asking the council chairman to silence the crowd during the community public forum: [time stamp: 1:10:00] or to counter "personal attacks" [1:23:00]

God, why is America so afraid of freedom and its expression?? And moreso, why are publicly elected officials to represent us wish to silence a crowd? Is it too unordered?

Thank you, Mr. Batte, council chair for allowing the folks to speak out, because in my estimation, the crowd was churning, but sometimes it was a direct response to comments by council members.

And for those charged with protecting the weakest in our society, I offer the following testimony to rebut Mr. Kiester's question:

"How many bullets does it take to kill 22 children?" Answer: Whatever it takes a mother to defend her children in an attack while on the phone to 911 requesting aid.

http://www.whatthefolly.com/2013/01/3...

Folks, I know this is heated but the 2nd Amendment was to protect you against overwhelming power, including the most overwhelming, tyrannical power.

Those that experience the direct hand of tyrannical power. Mr. Victor Rios provides a perspective of those who experienced it firsthand [time stamp: 1:01:00]

Its not about guns, its about your right to protect yourself with overwhelming power. And if you believe the government can protect you, then by all means we should eliminate the 2nd Amendment and create gun-free zones.

The Newtown school tragedy occurred in a gun-free zone,vand there was no overwhelming power to counter a citizen with the intent to kill in a school.

Its about overwhelming power, and if we continue down the path of removing guns from society we shall be victims of overwhelming power from those with criminal intent since laws are meaningless to them.

Mr Keister seems to have forgotten who elected him. As an elected official you don't attack the public who has elected you. He certainly managed to fool many people over the years and he misjudged the last election and tried to endear himself to those that had run against him in the past, thinking they would be re-elected. Now he sits on the council as an anomaly who makes little sense and has very little support. He may want to think of offering his resignation and move on before he embarrasses himself further.

26yearsonmarco writes:

Why do I think the word kiester relates to a human body part, and also HERR DUMMKOPFFFFF????

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Klaus..

This should answer your question!

http://www.usacarry.com/florida_conce...

Brisla writes:

"Gun rights supporters will hold a Town Hall meeting at 7 p.m., Tuesday, Feb. 26, at Marco Presbyterian Church..."

...because Jesus loves assault weapons.

August8 writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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So now "you" know

Sparky100 writes:

To all you anti gun supporters. Over history it has been proven it does not work. Nothing good comes out of disarming law abiding citizens. If you want a present day example just look at Chicago. A city with one of the most strict gun control laws in the country, just look at their murder rate. I have said it before "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". Really do we want the Marco gang to be the only armed ones on the island.

RayPray writes:

in response to Brisla:

"Gun rights supporters will hold a Town Hall meeting at 7 p.m., Tuesday, Feb. 26, at Marco Presbyterian Church..."

...because Jesus loves assault weapons.

>>> Immediately upon taking up his office as 5th Prefect of the Roman province of Judaea, Pontius Pilate issued an edict banning weapons possession by residents there.

>>> We can only imagine if Jesus & the Disciples had been packing assault weapons during the Last Supper whether he would have been taken so easily by Sanhedrin goniffs

>>> Had the The Passion of Christ developed into a genuine shoot out up on old Golgotha, might the Crucifixion not have unraveled in a totally unexpected direction?

RayPray writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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"Hopefully President Barack Obama change this."

>>> This has already happened.

>>> Anyone who goes against our dusky helmsman or Kinnock Biden -- American citizen or just unlucky rag-head -- the Great OBAMA can just labels as terrorist suspect and then safely down in the White House bunker send the drones to obliterate.

>>> The Obama murdering power now beyond Dick Cheney's wettest dream....

Brisla writes:

in response to Sparky100:

To all you anti gun supporters. Over history it has been proven it does not work. Nothing good comes out of disarming law abiding citizens. If you want a present day example just look at Chicago. A city with one of the most strict gun control laws in the country, just look at their murder rate. I have said it before "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". Really do we want the Marco gang to be the only armed ones on the island.

Number of murders by firearms in 2011

United States - 9,146
Italy - 417
Canada - 173
Germany - 158
Spain - 90
Netherlands - 55
England - 41
Sweden - 37
Poland - 35
France - 35
Australia - 30
Greece - 29
Ireland - 21
Denmark - 15
Japan - 11
Israel - 6

INPURSUIT writes:

in response to Brisla:

Number of murders by firearms in 2011

United States - 9,146
Italy - 417
Canada - 173
Germany - 158
Spain - 90
Netherlands - 55
England - 41
Sweden - 37
Poland - 35
France - 35
Australia - 30
Greece - 29
Ireland - 21
Denmark - 15
Japan - 11
Israel - 6

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...

I was interested in doing some of my own research on the subject. Link above has a lot of good data; I was intrigued by the murder rate breakdown for the US over the years.

26yearsonmarco writes:

I believe the low murder rate in the Countries listed above is due to their lack of DIVERSITY, which is the obamee theme song. His plan is to eliminate Anglo Saxons as quickly as he can, so 1PPANTS and HERR DUMMKOPFFFFF better watch theit kiesters along with the rest of us.

26yearsonmarco writes:

Here is another one of obamees Diversity Stars in action:

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/07/pi...

August8 writes:

in response to GorchFock:

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Why not shove off fella, New York is beautiful this time of year. In fact all year.

WizeOlMarco writes:

The reason for asking the Marco Island government to take a public position on the 2nd Amendment is? Paranoid Marco Islanders on display. What example you set for future generations? Try speking with your neighbors, fellow Americans. Waving your blue steel bravado means nothing.

ajm3s writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

I believe the low murder rate in the Countries listed above is due to their lack of DIVERSITY, which is the obamee theme song. His plan is to eliminate Anglo Saxons as quickly as he can, so 1PPANTS and HERR DUMMKOPFFFFF better watch theit kiesters along with the rest of us.

Diversity has been bantered about as a factor in murder rates in the US vs the world.

Here is a quick probe of crime statistics, from a simple man with regard to addressing gun laws or crime in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98...

I suggest we abandon the rhetoric from Washington DC and Hollywood approach to framing an issue under the banner of "how many bullets do we need in a clip to hunt for sport", or "....to prevent the slaughter of 22 children and teachers"

There is a better way, but we need to look at numbers in context, and the raw data is screaming, and no media outlet is willing to cast the positive impact in America, given the number of guns in LEGAL private possession. Rather we take a recent tragedy to use as a focal point to lever the anti-gun population into a fervor, without any regard to scientific data.

If we have council members that wish to engage in a public discourse on the IMPACT of having a rocket launcher for personal protection, then I guess some council members DO NOT want to solve the PROBLEM but rather stir it up!

The resolution presented by Mr. Flaugh was a restatement of the 2nd amendment for the city to consider, and if some council members wish not to vote in the affirmative, then I shall consider them a variant genetic strain that has a lower sensitivity to self-preservation.

To return to your comment on diversity in America, I guess two members on council add to the diversity in America by stating they could NOT support such a resolution by the city of Marco Island!

1Paradiselost writes:

Chris Rock on Gun Control.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nF...

26yearsonmarco writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Chris Rock on Gun Control.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nF...

Just another example of DIVERSITY.

To think Anglos pay money to listen to the idiot is perfect example of why our once Great Country is going the way it is.

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

Just another example of DIVERSITY.

To think Anglos pay money to listen to the idiot is perfect example of why our once Great Country is going the way it is.

Yea, I remember penny candy back in the 1950's too!

26yearsonmarco writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Yea, I remember penny candy back in the 1950's too!

Yeah, and I'm sure you remember the riots in the 60's by the DIVERSITY ONES.

I do, because I was one of the ANGLOS being shot at.

RayPray writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

Yea, I remember penny candy back in the 1950's too!

"To think Anglos pay money to listen to the idiot is perfect"

>>> Chris Rock is OK

>>> He is not in jail, not on parole, not on Food Stamps, but providing a service that people pay to enjoy.

>>> If you see his movie 'Good Hair' you will enjoy too.

>>> Gun Control has been proven to work. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. This has reduced the rate that Africans Merrily pop each other off to only a handful each day.

>>> Washington DC has even tougher gun laws. Because of this, the great Obama has not shot any of his critics in 4 years. Instead he's been forced to go after them with drones:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/amer...

>>> The way to solve the gun question on dangerous Marco is to slip some extra Viagra in the postum of all the old geezers hopping around here with assault weapons....

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

Yeah, and I'm sure you remember the riots in the 60's by the DIVERSITY ONES.

I do, because I was one of the ANGLOS being shot at.

You have come a long way if you grew up, or had to work in the "Hood". So, That explains why you hate "people of diversity" so much.

I would too if I was unarmed and some jerk was shooting at me. But those idiots back then are long gone.

You see I was in the middle one of those "riots" the day Martin Luther King was shot. No gunfire, but several people were stabbed.

America burned for 3 days. I was in the middle of it, now it's just a footnote in some history book. But as I grew older I learner in life you're always going to find a few bad apples.

It's how you deal with your diversity which defines you as a human being today.

26yearsonmarco writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

You have come a long way if you grew up, or had to work in the "Hood". So, That explains why you hate "people of diversity" so much.

I would too if I was unarmed and some jerk was shooting at me. But those idiots back then are long gone.

You see I was in the middle one of those "riots" the day Martin Luther King was shot. No gunfire, but several people were stabbed.

America burned for 3 days. I was in the middle of it, now it's just a footnote in some history book. But as I grew older I learner in life you're always going to find a few bad apples.

It's how you deal with your diversity which defines you as a human being today.

"I would too if I was unarmed and some jerk was shooting at me. But those idiots back then are long gone."

If you think "those idiots" are long gone, you are not watching the news each night from the hoods of Fort Myers.

1Paradiselost writes:

26....

As you point out from your experiences trouble in the "hood" as been going on since before the 1960's.

It should also be pointed out that "those idiots" are killing themselves in their own neighbor hoods in Fort Myers as per the news shows you mention. The old idiots have gone in time replaced by new faces.

For 100 plus years there had been some type of inter-city violence in the cities of America. From my upbringing, There has always been the "Bad part of town" no matter what year it is, no matter what color the people.

The questions today that need be asked are why? Why do gangs roam the streets armed? Why do you feel so threatened about something which as been going on your entire life? Drugs are a big problem in intercity neighborhoods.

Armed children, high school kids making $5,000 a week selling crack cocaine and heroin. What incentive do those kids have to go to school and become a working productive member of society?

Try thinking about being a 16-23 years old and making more money than anybody you know including the president, any president.

And all you have to do is sell drugs or pimp out the neighbors daughter who is hooked on heroin.

The questions are about why.. Will be be able to solve this problem as a country, I think not! Nixon's "War on Drugs" of the 1960's has failed. Nancy Reagan's "Just Say no" efforts of the 1980's also failed. At a cost to the American tax payer of over 1 trillion dollars.

Some how we need to come up with a way to take the profit of drugs off the streets. We need to change our thinking as a people to solve this problem, it's not going away!

In today's society one must always be alert of their surroundings. I learned when I was young, Don't be s----- and go to the hood after dark. If a person does that their just looking for trouble, drugs or hookers.

One more thing... Next time you read in the paper or see on TV another prostitution sting take a good look at the johns. You will find them to be white and over 50 years old.

If the prostitute can't find customers she can't afford drugs. It's just a vicious circle which feeds on itself.

Hating one segment of society solves nothing as this problem as been going on our life.

26yearsonmarco writes:

1P,

The problem is not trying to cure the problem, because, as you point out, nothing works.

Anyone s----- enough to go into the hood deserves whatever happens to them.

My concern is when the hoodies come into the good neighborhoods to rob and kill innocent people, who are unarmed and can't defend themselves.

This president has vowed to take guns away from law abiding citizens, and violate our second amendment rights to defend ourselves, and it's pretty clear how that is going when you see the news about sales of guns to "We the People".

This has to make even the dumbest people wonder about his agenda to transform America.

Brisla writes:

"This president has vowed to take guns away from law abiding citizens, and violate our second amendment rights to defend ourselves..."

Really? A vow? Show us the quote. Or is this just an exaggerated claim by a paranoid old racist.

Dude, there already is gun control. Last I checked, surface-to-air missiles are banned. So are tanks. And hand grenades. Are your panties in a bunch about those, too?

Do you LIKE seeing mass murders and cop-killings? Because, other than making the impotent feel powerful, that's what assault rifles and high-capacity magazines are all about.

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