Church Lady: Thanksgivukkah, a feast of religious freedom

A feast of religious freedom

Kathleen Tuttle/Eagle Correspondent
his year the first day of Hanukkah will coincide with Thanksgiving Day.  The Jewish Congregation of Marco Island will host the Marco Island Clergy Association’s Annual Interfaith Thanksgiving service on Nov. 27.

Photo by Kathleen G. Tuttle

Kathleen Tuttle/Eagle Correspondent his year the first day of Hanukkah will coincide with Thanksgiving Day. The Jewish Congregation of Marco Island will host the Marco Island Clergy Association’s Annual Interfaith Thanksgiving service on Nov. 27.

What: Festive candle lighting ceremony, music and traditional Hanukkah foods

Where: Jewish Congregation of Marco Island

When: 5:45 p.m., Dec. 1

Cost: Free

Kathleen Tuttle/Eagle Correspondent
his year the first day of Hanukkah will coincide with Thanksgiving Day.  The Jewish Congregation of Marco Island will host the Marco Island Clergy Association’s Annual Interfaith Thanksgiving service on Nov. 27.

Photo by Kathleen G. Tuttle

Kathleen Tuttle/Eagle Correspondent his year the first day of Hanukkah will coincide with Thanksgiving Day. The Jewish Congregation of Marco Island will host the Marco Island Clergy Association’s Annual Interfaith Thanksgiving service on Nov. 27.

This year thousands of years of Jewish history and tradition will blend with hundred’s of years of American tradition.

It’s Thanksgivukkah — a celebration of religious freedom and a double time of joy and giving thanks to God.

The Jewish festival of Hanukkah, like all Jewish festivals and holidays are based on the Hebrew lunar calendar. It begins on the 25th day of Kislev and can begin in late November to early December. This year Hanukkah begins at sunset Nov. 27, Thanksgiving eve.

As the Jewish day goes from sunset to sunset, if you have Thanksgiving dinner before sunset, you are having it on the first day of Hanukkah.

Scholars debate whether or not Sukkot the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles, a harvest festival, helped shape America’s Thanksgiving. The pilgrims knew and were influenced by the Old Testament, the Hebrew Bible, and being thankful for a bountiful harvest was certainly an idea they would have gleaned from the Hebrew Bible.

Thanksgiving has been an annual tradition since 1863, when, during the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln proclaimed Nov. 26, the last Thursday, as a national day of “Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens.”

Previously Thanksgiving was celebrated on different dates in different states. Lincoln’s successors followed this tradition until President Franklin Roosevelt, in 1939, in the midst of the Great Depression declared the fourth Thursday as Thanksgiving rather than the fifth to spur the economy.

The astounding thing about Thanksgivukkah is that it happened once in 1888 and many sources say it won’t occur again another for 77,000 years.

Both are American traditions as Hanukkah tends to be celebrated more in the U.S. as other countries consider it a minor festival.

Both celebrate religious freedom. The pilgrims came to America in search of religious freedom. Hanukkah celebrates the rededication of the Temple after the Greeks had imposed polytheism on the Jews. The Temple was defiled and the practice of Judaism was forbidden. After a successful rebellion the temple was purified and cleansed but when they went to light the candelabra there was only enough oil for one day but miraculously the oil lasted for eight.

This year the Jewish Congregation of Marco Island will host two events: the Marco Island Clergy Association’s Annual Interfaith Thanksgiving Service on Wednesday, Nov. 27 and the Fifth Annual Marco Island Community Hanukkah Celebration co-sponsored by JCMI and Jewish Federation of Collier County on Dec. 1. Both are free and everyone is welcome.

Marco’s Clergy Association, aware that Thanksgiving and Hanukkah coincided, gathered to discuss this year’s Interfaith Service. After some reflection, the theme of religious freedom surfaced and the 2013 service will have a touch of Hanukkah.

Among the participating clergy is San Marco Catholic Church’s Pastor the Rev. Timothy Navin. He also sees Thanksgiving as a feast of religious freedom. The U.S. Catholic Bishops as well as Vatican II have a rich heritage and many statements regarding religious freedom and the respect for the right of conscious; additionally St. Thomas Moore is the saint of religious freedom.

“It’s a time for all faith communities, families and individuals to gather and count all of God’s blessings and be grateful,” said Navin via telephone.“We are richly blessed; it is a part of our American character to be thankful to God for our many blessings.”

“Having Hanukkah as a background is exciting, re-energizing,” said St. Mark’s Episcopal Church’s Rector, the Rev. Dr. Kyle Bennett in a telephone interview. It has always been important to him and his family, as it was to the pilgrims, to share a Thanksgiving meal with people he usually doesn’t share a meal with.

For him sharing faith and fellowship with different faith traditions in a public way has its roots in a shared Thanksgiving.

“The Marco Island community is blessed to have the opportunity to not only give thanks to God for his great blessings, but also to reflect on the freedom to express our thankful spirits together, which can be used to bring our community even closer together,” wrote Marco Lutheran Church’s Pastor the Rev. Kevin Koenig in an email.“Perhaps such awareness will enable us to find even more common threads in the expressions of our faith.”

JCMI’s Cantorial Soloist Hari Jacobsen thinks of the holiday as Hanugiving because technically Hanukkah comes first. She along with MLC’s Music Director Craig Greusel and the United Church of Marco Island’s Music Minister the Rev. Dr. Lorna Lee Curtis will provide the music for the Interfaith Gathering. There will be traditional Thanksgiving music and a contemporary Hanukkah song.

Curtis joined Jacobsen at JCMI as accompanist in October. She especially enjoys exploring her Jewish roots and JCMI’s congregation as well as expanding her social contacts within the religious community.

“All believers within the Judeo-Christian tradition recognize God’s providence while the secular world calls it turkey day,” said Curtis via telephone.“It’s time to recognize God’s love for us publicly.”

Kathleen Tuttle, a Marco Island resident since 1987, has written articles for various nonprofits for more than 25 years. She is a community volunteer, former science teacher and microbiologist. Kathleen can be contacted at worship@rstuttle.com.

Operation Christmas Child — The Shoebox project

Take part in the annual Operation Christmas Child — the Shoebox Project where more than 100 million children have learned of God’s love. Since 1993, the worldwide ministry of Samaritan’s Purse, a nondenominational Christian organization, has headed up the program.

Fill a shoebox with small toys, school supplies, socks, a T-shirt, sunglasses, or any nonliquid item. Do not include war-related items or perishables.

Visit www.samaritanspurse.org or call 800-353-5949 for details. Local info sites are: Marco Presbyterian Church, 875 W. Elkcam Circle; The Family Church, 1450 Winterberry Drive; New Life Community Church, 590 Elkcam Circle and Wesley United Methodist Church, 350 S. Barfield Drive.

The gift-filled shoeboxes may be dropped off at the Presbyterian church 9 a.m. to 2 p.m., Friday and 9 a.m. to noon Sunday.

A $7 donation is requested for each box to help cover shipping. Donors may track their box to the destination country where it will be hand-delivered to a child by registering at the Ways to Give, Follow Your Box Web page at samariatnspurse.org.

This is the 10th year that Marco Presbyterian Church has served as organizer and the collection site for the Marco area. The goal for Marco Island is 750 boxes.

New Life Community Church

The Tea Ladies Holiday Bazaar and Bake Sale will be 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., Saturday. Items for sale include gifts, jewelry, holiday decorations, with many new items including goat milk soaps. There will also be baked goods for sale, and Indian River Fruit shipped to any address. Barbecue sandwiches will be sold for lunch, and there will be prizes awarded from local restaurants, gift shops, services and a quilt. Credit cards accepted.

The Tea Ladies will host its 14th annual Christmas Tea from 2 to 4 p.m. Dec. 7. The free tea includes fun and fellowship over high tea with tiny sandwiches, fruit, cheese and pastries. Robin Noel Jewell will present a Christmas musical package and Daryl McCulley will share a brief inspirational message. Christmas centerpieces will be given away.

Reservations required, call 239-389-0815 and leave your phone number and a head count. Donations accepted.

The church’s new youth group for ages 12 to 18 meets the first Friday of every month from 6 to 7:30 p.m.

The New Life #Connect Youth Group will enjoy GlowGolf in Fort Myers on Dec. 6. To reserve a spot visit newlifemarco.org/minigolf. Meet at the church at 5 p.m., pick up is at 9 p.m. Information: contact Pastor Nicci at 217-239-6428.

Wesley United Methodist Church

There will be fun for children of all ages at the church’s Saturday Fall Festival from 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. Activities include games and bounce houses; free.

GriefShare meets 6 p.m., every Tuesday. Each two-hour session consists of workbook exercises, a DVD lesson and group discussion. There is a one-time fee of $20, with scholarships available, to join the weekly group.

“GriefShare: Surviving the Holidays” seminar meets from 2 to 4 p.m., Dec. 3 and is for anyone facing the holiday season without a loved one. The seminar helps prepare for the special challenges that can make this time of year difficult. Visit www.griefshare.org/holidays. The $5 cost includes the “Holiday Survival Guide.” Light refreshments will be served. Seating is limited. Information: contact Ellen Morgenstern at 239-642-7165 or ellstemor@gmail.com.

San Marco Catholic Church

The church will celebrate a 10 a.m. Thanksgiving Day Mass.

The Advent Mass schedule is as follows: 3:45 and 5:30 p.m. Saturday, Nov. 30 and 7:30, 9 and 10:45 a.m. Sunday, Dec. 1.

Marco Lutheran Church

English as a Second Language classes continue through Nov. 26. Classes meet from 10 to 11:30 a.m. and 6 to 7:30 p.m. every Tuesday. Information: contact Director of Christian Outreach, James Zickfield, at james@marcolutheran.org or 239-394-0332.

Gentle Yoga meets 12:30 p.m., Thursdays and costs $5.

Keeping Christ in Christmas

The Historic Old Church, located on the property of the Marco Island Cemetery, will host a series of interdenominational Christmas celebrations. All events begin at 6 p.m. Bring a chair.

Dec. 2: invocation and devotional by Wesley United Methodist Church’s Pastor Kirk Drieser; carols lead by United Church of Marco Island’s Music Minister the Rev. Dr. Lorna Lee Curtis; a singing group lead by WUMC Traditional Music Director Cynthia Dallas; musical selections on strings and piano by local youth; and closing prayer the Rev. Ed Sellers, a retired Anglican Church of North America priest.

Dec. 9: invocation by New Life Community Church’s Pastor Thomas McCulley; a singing group and caroling led by Marco Presbyterian Church’s Director of Music John Stein; MPC Hand Bell selections; New Hope Ministries Under The Veil Flag Team; and closing prayer by NLCC’s Women’s Ministry Daryl McCulley.

Dec. 16: invocation by NHM Worship Pastor Heath Jarvis; keynote speaker Christmas Island Style Chairman Steve Stefanides; music by NLCC’s praise band and choir; comedy sketch by Jarvis; annual teddy bear drive for Manatee Middle School; and closing prayer by Drieser. Information contact Bobbie LeCroy-Lansdown 239-389-9282 or New Life Community Church 239-394-3469.

Annual Christmas Box Angel Memorial Service

The 14th annual Christmas Box Angel Memorial Service will be held 6:30, p.m., Dec. 6 at the Marco Island Cemetery. The candle light service remembers and honors children who have died. Bring a white flower to place at the base of the statue. The names of children who have memorial bricks will be read aloud during the service. J. Robert will perform the music. Information: Marco Island Cemetery Office 239-394-3469, or Nanette Moll, Coffee and Comfort Support Group Leader, 239-394-7242 x 93.

Capri Christian Church

The church will once again host “A Taste of Christmas on Capri” 6 to 8 p.m., Dec. 8. Vocalists Art Bush, Jeff Bush, Steven Foster and Tracy Tooley will give an inspirational and toe-tapping concert. Local restaurants will provide appetizers. All are invited to sing familiar carols. Free, an offering will be received.

Marco Presbyterian Church

The first of Marco Presbyterian Church’s “Music for the Soul” Concert Series will be 7 p.m., Dec. 8. The seven-member flute virtuoso group Flute Cocktail will join the combined bell choirs of Marco Presbyterian and Wesley United Methodist churches. Musical selections include sacred holiday classics as well as some fun twists on old favorites. Other concerts in the series are: 6 p.m. Jan. 19, the versatile Billy Dean and Dawn Birch will sing sacred favorites — hymns, gospel and contemporary Christian. 6 p.m. Feb. 16, the organ and piano duo of Babs Hillenbrand and Marv Hollenbeck will play favorite hymn arrangements. Sandy and John Stein will play a variety of musical styles from sacred to jazz on the flute and piano. 6 p.m. March 2, the Blackwood Brothers Quartet will present southern gospel at its finest. This is the ninth year for Marco Presbyterian Church’s concert series. Concerts are free; love offerings will be received.

St. Mark’s Episcopal Church

The church’s Fifth Annual Concert Series continues with the 10th Annual Advent Service of Lessons and Carols with Holy Eucharist, 10:30 a.m., Dec. 15. The service includes St. Mark’s Choir, Children’s Choir, soloists and chamber orchestra. An Advent reception follows in the Parish Hall. Free.

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MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

"after the Greeks had imposed polytheism on the Jews"

The Greeks were right. The universe IS polytheistic.

Because there are (amoung others) three so-called great religions; Islam, Christianity and Judaism; and each can prove the validity of its own scripture.

ie. Christians can prove that Christ was the messiah and Jews can prove that the messiah is yet to come. Therefore there must be at least two messiahs.

So you see; there must be at least two gods, unless one scripture or the other is rubbish.

So before the Church Lady can claim any "divine" origin for our good fortune; she mush first address the issue of which religion is rubbish; Christianity, Judaism or neither; and if neither; then the Greeks were right afterall; -and the universe IS polytheistic.

RayPray writes:

Something always puzzled me.

Provincial gladhanders often join more than one civic booster organization, such as Moose, Elks, Masons, to promote their business.

So why do so few, if any, pious God-fearers overlook the spiritual benefits accruing from affiliation with multiple religions?

Conveniently, such religions have chosen non-overlapping weekly holy days to prevent spiritual confusion,

So, you could worship Mohamed on Friday, transform into a Jew for Saturday, and still have time to attend a Christian Church for Sunday.

(Even better, if you cleave both to Gregorian Christianity & Julian Orthodoxy, you get two weeks off in a row from school or work for Xmas!)

Shouldn't the above scheme at least triple your odds for squeezing into Heaven?

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to RayPray:

Something always puzzled me.

Provincial gladhanders often join more than one civic booster organization, such as Moose, Elks, Masons, to promote their business.

So why do so few, if any, pious God-fearers overlook the spiritual benefits accruing from affiliation with multiple religions?

Conveniently, such religions have chosen non-overlapping weekly holy days to prevent spiritual confusion,

So, you could worship Mohamed on Friday, transform into a Jew for Saturday, and still have time to attend a Christian Church for Sunday.

(Even better, if you cleave both to Gregorian Christianity & Julian Orthodoxy, you get two weeks off in a row from school or work for Xmas!)

Shouldn't the above scheme at least triple your odds for squeezing into Heaven?

Non overlapping holy days is how the clergy maintains it's POWER over the faithful; and keeps THE MONEY flowing into each of the individual churches.

You see: Without POWER, MONEY or a combination of both; the religious clergy and spokespeople; -are nothing.

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

If we take an Orphaned Child and put him in a seminary; he emerges as a devout Catholic. Take the same child and instead raise him as a Muslim; and he will later spout the Koran. Put the same child in a Christian Missionary School, and he will go out into the world with that silly look of joy on his face to evangelize everyone to Christianity.

So what do ANY of these people actually know about the truth?
They know NOTHING; only the religious software which was programmed into their heads as a child; and today plays round and round in the mind in a never ending loop like a computer virus.

So-called religious “truth” is simply an accident of birth; and if Mel Gibson was switched at birth with Osama bin laden; Gibson would today be spouting the Koran; -as absolute truth.

There IS no absolute religious truth.

One billion Muslims believe Mohammed gave them the true word of god. One billion Muslims can’t be wrong.
One billion Catholics believe that Christ gave THEM the true word of god. One billion CATHOLICS can’t be wrong.

It’s all messianic rubbish folks; all rooted in self delusion, exaggeration, hallucination and lies.

Indoctrination of young children into a particular faith who grow into adults who “parrot” scripture; doesn’t change the fact that the “truths” of the so-called three great religions all cancel out to a net value of zero.

Each religion is only valid within its own scripture. Outside of it's own subjective
scripture, each religion reduces quickly to mythical rubbish.
As of this writing; no Christ rose from the dead. No ghost spoke to Moses; and no angel appeared to a desert Arab.

Helping the helpless is a noble thing; but in no way did this concept originate from the gods; and the biggest con game ever devised is where religion claims as its own any good which happens in the world.

Ie. Case in point: The Iroquois Indians of New York practiced what we call the last six of the 10 commandments thousands of years before Moses took his first breath.
They didn’t need a vengeful god to know how to do the right thing.

Religion is nothing more then a "pyramid scheme; as it has been from the beginning; with the guys at the top keeping the frightened indoctrinated masses below offering up their tithes; while snapping at the mythical carrot of eternal salvation.

MIOCENE

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

“The Marco Island community is blessed to have the opportunity to not only give thanks to God for his great BLESSINGS."

"BLESSED" means with "divine favor".

So the CHURCH LADY believes that god looked upon her community and "BLESSED IT"; while turning his back on the people of Haiti; who after their Slave Revolt in 1791; were left to live the next century and a half in poverty, squalor and ignorance.

Then, in 2011 god showed his NON-blessing of Haiti by rolling a mountain down upon the Haitian People.

If you want to turn your child's mind into MUSH; take the short-cut as millions do, and give your baby to the clergy, and to those like the Church Lady whose lives have had indoctrination substituted for education.

How can anyone actually believe that this so-called loving god looked down upon the people of Marco and "FAVORED" them over the peoples of Rwanda, Haiti, Ethiopia and North Korea .

Now given that Christians believe that ALL men are made in the "image of god"; doesn't it seem a bit odd that god would "bless" SOME children, while denying "divine favour" to OTHERS? That god would allow some of his children to be blessed in an American land of plenty; while others live short miserable lives with hookworms sucking on their guts?

With the utmost arrogance; people such as the Church Lady have the nerve to apply such self-importance to themselves, by claiming they; or their country was "BLESSED".

Konfuzius writes:

in response to Genuine:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

"... if he is thirsty, give him something to drink..."

YES! A schnapps for Genuine! Helpful!

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to Genuine:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Confucius said: "Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig TWO graves."

So here again we find that there is nothing new in the bible; and that cultures all over the world were living in concert with the last 6 of the 10 commandments; without ever hearing about the bible; and without the need of a vengeful and threatening biblical god.

Doesn't it ever make you wonder about the people of Moses? If the North American Iroquois "savages" could live orderly lives without the chaos of theft, rape, and adultery, and without the need of an almighty vengeful and threatening god; then why couldn't the Jews do the same?

Why did our ancestral Jews need a spiritual dictator to keep them in line?
Why were they so amoral that they couldn't tell right from wrong?

Doesn't it kind of make you wonder who the real "savages" were when that ship landed at Plymouth Rock?

MIOCENE

26yearsonmarco writes:

MIOCENE,
You seem to profess to be the expert on all Religions, so perhaps you can explain to us immoral souls what religion THE GREAT OBAMA is, or should I ask his mentor Rev Wright???

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

MIOCENE,
You seem to profess to be the expert on all Religions, so perhaps you can explain to us immoral souls what religion THE GREAT OBAMA is, or should I ask his mentor Rev Wright???

Thanks for responding, 26.

No. I am an expert on what religion is NOT. What it is NOT is a belief based upon any UNIVERSAL divine truth; since each religion is only valid within it's own scripture.

OUTSIDE of it's own scripture, each religion rapidly disintegrates into rubbish.
ie. The Gospels prove the divinity of Christ; yet an Hasidic Jew can prove; according to HIS interpretation of scripture that Jesus was a divine hoax. (and vice versa)

Now WITHIN Christianity there is the quandry of where Christ will make his second coming; in the Middle East (Evangelism); or in the State of Missouri (Mormonism).

Now put ISLAM in the mix and we have a "three ring circus" of divinity.

It would be interesting to see a Rabbi , Christian theologian and a Muslim Cleric all sitting on the same panel on national tv; each trying to prove the messianic validity of his OWN GOD to the exclusion of the other two.
When faced with religious adversaries; absolute truths would rapidly disintegrate into blind unsubstantiated superstition; and in the end; nobody would be able to prove anything.

Because you see: The arguments that each cleric would use to discredit his opponent's religion would in turn discredit his own.

Obama? Actually, I don't feel that he believes in ghosts, spirits, demons and devils; but maybe he does; I don't know.

Regardless; what Obama believes or doesn't believe won't change anything.
He will be gone in a few short years anyway.

Republicans had better start concentrating on a winning GOP candidate like Jon Huntsman.

MIOCENE

Konfuzius writes:

"Republicans had better start concentrating on a winning GOP candidate like Jon Huntsman."

This is a very simple and little material opinion. A man can never win as a man over a program. GOP in the last century lebts won't succeed this as long as with whom a victory of the GOP will him prevent religiopese nonsense of the tea party yesterday right wing political idios always whole too. Modern America is tired of GOP in traditioneler way. This is so simple!

26yearsonmarco writes:

Konfuzius,

Can't understand one word you said.

I guess you over did the schnapps thing.

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

Konfuzius,

Can't understand one word you said.

I guess you over did the schnapps thing.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Konfuzius means that underneath all this small government fiscal stuff that now dominates the tea party platform; lies Christian fanaticism.

-and the Evangelists; who presently control the GOP were actually the ones responsible for the election of Obama; AND the GOP's failure to produce a presidential candidate who was more concerned with THIS life; and not the AFTERFLIFE.

It's not too LITTLE god which is destroying America. It's to MUCH god.

MIOCENE

johnnycakes writes:

Well this is fascinating. I feel unburdened. I'm NOT the only atheist on Marco Island!!! I may, however, be the only former editor of a national news organization on the Island who takes great exception to the Marco Eagle publishing religious drivel and labeling it "News."

Konfuzius writes:

in response to MIOCENE:

Correct me if I am wrong.

Konfuzius means that underneath all this small government fiscal stuff that now dominates the tea party platform; lies Christian fanaticism.

-and the Evangelists; who presently control the GOP were actually the ones responsible for the election of Obama; AND the GOP's failure to produce a presidential candidate who was more concerned with THIS life; and not the AFTERFLIFE.

It's not too LITTLE god which is destroying America. It's to MUCH god.

MIOCENE

Pretty good! Good - not God!
Not so many Americans can understand me.
GOP has no future in America. The myth is over! Thanks "W"!
But I am not sure about the treaty with Iran! YOU?

26yearsonmarco writes:

Konfuzius Sez:

"But I am not sure about the treaty with Iran! YOU?"

Here is your answer from someone who should know:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/1...

WizeOlMarco writes:

in response to johnnycakes:

Well this is fascinating. I feel unburdened. I'm NOT the only atheist on Marco Island!!! I may, however, be the only former editor of a national news organization on the Island who takes great exception to the Marco Eagle publishing religious drivel and labeling it "News."

Here, Here. Your also not the only reader to notice Marco Eagle publishing drivel.

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

Konfuzius Sez:

"But I am not sure about the treaty with Iran! YOU?"

Here is your answer from someone who should know:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/1...

60 million were killed during the 2nd world war. Today we trade with those countries like nothing happened!

I'm tired of war! Time to rebuild America!

On Iran, Only time will tell.... We Will See.

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

60 million were killed during the 2nd world war. Today we trade with those countries like nothing happened!

I'm tired of war! Time to rebuild America!

On Iran, Only time will tell.... We Will See.

Yes and look also at Vietnam. We lost over 50,000 there fighting Communism; and now 40 years later Vietnam has evolved a STOCK EXCHANGE.

50 thousand; dead for nothing. Eventually Viet nam; like Russia and China would have also evolved toward Capitalism anyway.

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to Konfuzius:

Pretty good! Good - not God!
Not so many Americans can understand me.
GOP has no future in America. The myth is over! Thanks "W"!
But I am not sure about the treaty with Iran! YOU?

There is no way to really know what is going on with Iran and the treaty.
Too much international intrigue.

It took 50 years for us to finally know that the U.S. deposed the elected leader of Iran in the 1950's and installed the Shah; which eventually led to the hostage crises in the 70's.

Konfuzius writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

Konfuzius Sez:

"But I am not sure about the treaty with Iran! YOU?"

Here is your answer from someone who should know:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/1...

I guess I can support the opinion of this colonel!

"Retired Air Force Col. Thomas E. Schaefer, 83, called the deal “foolishness.”

RayPray writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

60 million were killed during the 2nd world war. Today we trade with those countries like nothing happened!

I'm tired of war! Time to rebuild America!

On Iran, Only time will tell.... We Will See.

"On Iran, Only time will tell..."

Why this relentless drumbeat on Iran?

Iran doesn't have a single a-bomb.

Failed state Pakistan has an estimated 50 & sour joke state North Korea has multiple a-bombs.

Iran may not be a a nice place, but more awful than Pakistan or North Korea?

We know the leader of Iran. We can call him up on the phone. Who knows who controls the bombs in Pakistan?

Only reason for this preoccupation with Iran is to delude the country for war , so that Organ-grinder Obama and pet monkey Kinnock Biden can construct their legacy.

Compared with North Korea or Pakistan, Iran would be easy for our bloated desk-bound warriors to do....

Konfuzius writes:

Iran is evil! Nothing else! What are you argue?

Momface (Inactive) writes:

May all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving and Hanukah and spend some time realizing what a beautiful place we have chosen to spend our lives.

26yearsonmarco writes:

Looks like Obama was scammed again:

http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/11/2...

MIOCENE (Inactive) writes:

in response to Momface:

May all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving and Hanukah and spend some time realizing what a beautiful place we have chosen to spend our lives.

THANKS, Momface. :-)

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