Verve and zest: Island nonagenarians set an active pace

Rita Broderick enters San Marco Catholic Church’s chapel at 6:50 a.m., Sunday to help set up for Mass. 
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Rita Broderick enters San Marco Catholic Church’s chapel at 6:50 a.m., Sunday to help set up for Mass. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

Doretta Alger sings at Marco Lutheran Church’s Saturday morning choir practice. 
 /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

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Doretta Alger sings at Marco Lutheran Church’s Saturday morning choir practice. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

Betty Freeman is ready for St. Mark’s Episcopal Church’s Wednesday afternoon women’s Bible Study. 
 /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

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Betty Freeman is ready for St. Mark’s Episcopal Church’s Wednesday afternoon women’s Bible Study. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

Leone VanderWoude puts the finishing touches on receiving blankets destined for Africa. 
 /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

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Leone VanderWoude puts the finishing touches on receiving blankets destined for Africa. /Kathleen Tuttle Special to the Eagle

— If 26 is the new 18 and 60 is the new 30, what is 90? Marco abounds with active, witty nonagenarians who continue to serve God and their community with verve and zest. Their friends and admirers in their 50s and 60s say, “I want to be just like them when I grow up.”

Among this special group is San Marco Catholic Church member Rita Broderick, who heads her church’s Society of St. Vincent de Paul, a Catholic lay volunteer organization that seeks out and provides person-to-person aid to the poor and needy. She also serves as a minister of communion, distributing the bread and wine during Mass; and a lead minister who helps prepare for Mass by setting up the altar.

At 93, Broderick was the youngest interviewed. The humble, sweet, petite woman grew up in St. Louis and married her Marine sweetheart in California before he left to serve in the Pacific. After the war they returned to St. Louis and later moved to Long Island where he was in the Manhattan publishing industry.

While in St. Louis she taught elementary school and physical education but had to quit because married women weren’t allowed to teach. Along with raising her family she continued to substitute teach and teach part time. She kept herself physically active playing tennis for 60 years and then golf for another 10.

When she retired to Marco she joined the Urgent Care Auxiliary and still serves on its board of directors, as she chairs the scholarship committee.

“I feel blessed that I am able to keep going,” said Broderick in a telephone interview. She is thankful for her family, neighbors and friends and for being able to live here and help others. “My mother always helped people; it’s carrying on the family tradition. It’s the way we were brought up.

“I thank God every morning that I have another day,” she said.“I don’t think I could keep going without my faith. There must be some reason why I’m still here.”

She sees many opportunities to do things and help others and urges others to get involved.

For her, the best way to start the day is with morning Mass.“I feel sorry for people who don’t have faith; it has played a big part in my life.”

God and a good sense of humor help her get through the day.

St. Mark’s Episcopal Church member Betty Freeman looks forward to her 96th birthday in April and can be seen driving around Marco in her red convertible. She is the only one of four who was born in Florida as her parents were winter residents. They took her home to Ohio in a box in their car’s backseat camping along the way.

She married and raised her family in Wisconsin, where she taught emotionally handicapped children. She later moved to Miami where she continued to teach, and later her and her husband retired to Marco in 1984. Her husband died in 1995 of Alzheimer’s and she continues to live in her same home. She currently helps with the Alzheimer’s Support Network’s monthly mailings. She also volunteers at the library, enjoys AAUW’s Great Book and Great Decisions discussions, attends Bible studies and is Marco Curves’ oldest member.

Along the way she has also folded thousands of T-shirts at her church’s annual flea market. She became the most animated, however, when we discussed her current work with kindergarteners at Tommie Barfield Elementary where she has volunteered for more than 10 years giving talks on art.

“If you are working with kids its amazing,” she said via telephone.“We are so blessed to have that facility (the elementary school).”

She has been a member of her church’s prayer group for 15 years. Prayer is essential for getting her through the day. “It’s not just about asking but thanking,” she said. She also believes in intercessory prayer to help others find God’s gifts.

She feels that God has always been an active part of her life and that some people go through a phase where God doesn’t live here any more. “Every time I stumble and just about fall and catch myself I say ‘thank you God’ and I feel as if his hand is right under my elbow.”

Her advice to others: “Keep the engine running as long as you can, being active, enjoying the company of others, being a part of interesting and worthwhile groups.”

Ninety-four-year-old Doretta Alger, originally from North Dakota who majored in music in college, taught one year and then got married. Her husband also served in World War II. After the war, they moved to Minneapolis where she was a substitute teacher and taught piano. She is a dedicated Marco Lutheran Church choir member and plays an occasional piano organ duet with church organist, Ray Jones.

When she and her husband first moved to Marco in the 1980s they felt empty. But that vanished once they found and joined the church. She was on the committee that hired MLC’s current Music Director, Craig Greusel.

Prayer is an essential part of her life, as well; it gets her going.“The older I get, the greater part is my prayer time,” she said via telephone. Her day isn’t right unless she has her morning devotions. “I notice the difference when I skip it and can’t wait to get back,” she said.

She feels blessed and sees how God helped her along the way: through the wartime tribulations, moving for her husband’s career, his struggle with Guillain-Barré syndrome and later his succumbing to cancer. “I have a lot of faith and I trust Him; He brought me through.”

Although she now lives in Lely Palms she feels blessed that she can still remain active in her church. She enjoys meeting new people at Lely Palms and especially enjoys the on-site bible study.

She walks, exercises, eats balanced meals and urges others to move around. She refers to herself as a dedicated grandma and one of her highlights last year was reading at a granddaughter’s wedding in Yosemite National Park.

The goal-orientated and insightful Leone Vander-Woude attends Marco Presbyterian Church. Born in 1919 on a rural Iowa farm, she trained as a nurse and traveled the country before marrying her sweetheart in Las Vegas, just before his World War II deployment. After the war the couple returned to Iowa where they raised a family and she was active in Scouts, church and Sunday school. In between she would work as a nurse. She and her husband later opened a nursing home where she was the director of nursing.

A proponent of healthy eating, she had always had large vegetable and flower gardens and still manages to grow a few flowers at her Marco condominium. She is also active on Facebook and Twitter, an avid reader and keeps sharp doing crossword puzzles. Her sewing machine sits next to her computer in her bedroom. She enjoys creative handwork. She used to make all her family’s clothes including little girl dresses out of World War II parachute silk and is currently making pillowcase dresses and receiving blankets destined for Africa. She also created costumes for the church’s Madrigal Dinner as well as little pocket cross prayer reminders for the church’s women’s ministry and a mission in Haiti.

“I want my life to be useful,” she said in her Marco condo. She also shared the words of a hymn that has a special meaning for her: “Many things about tomorrow I don’t understand. But I know who holds tomorrow. And who holds my hand.”

Her day is not complete without her daily evening devotionals, focusing on the One who holds her hand.

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MIOCENE1 writes:

I am amazed as to how Mr. Broderick and people like her credit GOD for their good fortune.

“I thank GOD every morning that I have another day,
She believes in intercessory prayer to help others find GOD’S gifts
“Thank you GOD”
“Some people go through a phase where GOD doesn’t live here any more”

Here is a place where god DIDN’T live; or DID he? The faithful DO tell us that god is omnipresent.
It was in a Concentration Camp somewhere in Poland during WWII.
A young girl in her twenties organized an insurrection to help inmates escape from that hellhole. The insurrection failed and the guards discovered the identity of the young girl.

They kept her in a shack where they tortured her for two weeks. Nothing fancy; just boiling water, red hot pokers, and pincers for tearing flesh. Needless to say she was finally killed; perhaps after plenty of “intercessory prayer”.

You don’t have GOD to thank for your good fortune Mr. Broderick. You were just lucky to be in the right place at the right time; and not the WRONG place at the wrong time.
That is the only “reason why you are still here”.

Unless of course; you somehow feel that your were more deserving of god’s BLESSINGS then this young woman; and all the other good, deserving men, women and children among the fifty-five million who met pre mature deaths during that war; and the millions of others who were raped, left homeless or were driven half mad by the hell around them.

Mrs. Brodrick’s story reminds me of a soldier who “thanked god” he survived the war.
I asked the soldier: How do you “thank god” that the shell landed in the OTHER soldier’s foxhole; and not yours?

Those who thank GOD for blessing themselves above others is narcissism at it’s highest; yet they are completely unaware of how they sound.

No Mrs. Broderick. You may live happily day-to-day because of your BELIEF in god; but you are not happy BECAUSE of god.

Yet Mrs. Broderick has preformed a lifetime of services to humanity; and for that she should be commended.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

RayPray writes:

in response to MIOCENE1:

I am amazed as to how Mr. Broderick and people like her credit GOD for their good fortune.

“I thank GOD every morning that I have another day,
She believes in intercessory prayer to help others find GOD’S gifts
“Thank you GOD”
“Some people go through a phase where GOD doesn’t live here any more”

Here is a place where god DIDN’T live; or DID he? The faithful DO tell us that god is omnipresent.
It was in a Concentration Camp somewhere in Poland during WWII.
A young girl in her twenties organized an insurrection to help inmates escape from that hellhole. The insurrection failed and the guards discovered the identity of the young girl.

They kept her in a shack where they tortured her for two weeks. Nothing fancy; just boiling water, red hot pokers, and pincers for tearing flesh. Needless to say she was finally killed; perhaps after plenty of “intercessory prayer”.

You don’t have GOD to thank for your good fortune Mr. Broderick. You were just lucky to be in the right place at the right time; and not the WRONG place at the wrong time.
That is the only “reason why you are still here”.

Unless of course; you somehow feel that your were more deserving of god’s BLESSINGS then this young woman; and all the other good, deserving men, women and children among the fifty-five million who met pre mature deaths during that war; and the millions of others who were raped, left homeless or were driven half mad by the hell around them.

Mrs. Brodrick’s story reminds me of a soldier who “thanked god” he survived the war.
I asked the soldier: How do you “thank god” that the shell landed in the OTHER soldier’s foxhole; and not yours?

Those who thank GOD for blessing themselves above others is narcissism at it’s highest; yet they are completely unaware of how they sound.

No Mrs. Broderick. You may live happily day-to-day because of your BELIEF in god; but you are not happy BECAUSE of god.

Yet Mrs. Broderick has preformed a lifetime of services to humanity; and for that she should be commended.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

"Yet Mrs. Broderick has preformed a lifetime of services to humanity; and for that she should be commended."

>>> Why should she, indeed?

>>> You reject the convenient disembodiment of 'god' the nasty magician in our psychological attic.

>>> However, you eagerly pounce on the equivalently jejune reification of 'humanity'

>>> Just what is that? I don't know. All I know is the handful of people, good or bad, with whom I'm personally acquainted.

>>> Isn't it just as foolish to clain someone serves 'humanity' -- Bill Gates, for instance, tossing Benjamins at eagerly bobbing Africans -- as that he devotes his days to worshiping 'god'?

CopWatch writes:

Proverbs 16:31

31 Gray hair is a crown of glory; it is gained in a righteous life.

mfb writes:

in response to MIOCENE1:

I am amazed as to how Mr. Broderick and people like her credit GOD for their good fortune.

“I thank GOD every morning that I have another day,
She believes in intercessory prayer to help others find GOD’S gifts
“Thank you GOD”
“Some people go through a phase where GOD doesn’t live here any more”

Here is a place where god DIDN’T live; or DID he? The faithful DO tell us that god is omnipresent.
It was in a Concentration Camp somewhere in Poland during WWII.
A young girl in her twenties organized an insurrection to help inmates escape from that hellhole. The insurrection failed and the guards discovered the identity of the young girl.

They kept her in a shack where they tortured her for two weeks. Nothing fancy; just boiling water, red hot pokers, and pincers for tearing flesh. Needless to say she was finally killed; perhaps after plenty of “intercessory prayer”.

You don’t have GOD to thank for your good fortune Mr. Broderick. You were just lucky to be in the right place at the right time; and not the WRONG place at the wrong time.
That is the only “reason why you are still here”.

Unless of course; you somehow feel that your were more deserving of god’s BLESSINGS then this young woman; and all the other good, deserving men, women and children among the fifty-five million who met pre mature deaths during that war; and the millions of others who were raped, left homeless or were driven half mad by the hell around them.

Mrs. Brodrick’s story reminds me of a soldier who “thanked god” he survived the war.
I asked the soldier: How do you “thank god” that the shell landed in the OTHER soldier’s foxhole; and not yours?

Those who thank GOD for blessing themselves above others is narcissism at it’s highest; yet they are completely unaware of how they sound.

No Mrs. Broderick. You may live happily day-to-day because of your BELIEF in god; but you are not happy BECAUSE of god.

Yet Mrs. Broderick has preformed a lifetime of services to humanity; and for that she should be commended.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

hey you are an atheist good for you no one cares but is it really necessary to attack a 93 year old woman who does good work because she has a different belief system? And yes I know her and there is nothing preachy, sanctimonious or judgmental about her. She is not in the least narcissistic and does most of the good she does as quietly and unobtrusively as possible. I hope in your life time you touch as many people and help as many people as she has and does even at the age of 93, somehow, though I kind of doubt it

MIOCENE1 writes:

Let's take the issues one at a time.

Mrs. Broderick is a sweet old lady who has done more good than I ever will. I agree.

INTERCESSORY PRAYER: This is superstitious rubbish and the following is a specific example of why and how.

The HIGH PRIEST former Archbishop Cardinal O Connor of New York held A prayer session begging god to preserve the definition of marriage. (before the vote on Gay Marriage was taken in N.Y).

Now, since Gay Marriage PASSED; then god either IGNORED the prayers of the High Priest; in which case god AGREES that Gays should get married;
OR:
Prayer is nothing more then mumbo jumbo heard by nothing.
Choose one.

Certainly, if Gay Marriage DIDN'T pass, the first thing the Cardinal would have said was: “The Lord Heard Our Prayers”
Yet one will not hear the Archbishop now state that god APPROVES of gay marriage.

So here the Archbishop plays by the rule: heads I win; tails I lose nothing; as the faithful; like Mrs. Broderick; are trained to focus ONLY on the POSITIVE correlations between prayer and it's aftermath; while being fooled into thinking that there is a causal relationship between the two.

This is only ONE of a few reasons which demonstrates that religion is a mental disorder; instilled in the formative years by parents and teachers; which short-circuits the reasoning process in an attempt to provide the comfort of "mutual confirmation" for the faithful; and finally for the benefit of clergy who make a living through supernatural politics.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

CopWatch writes:

And lead us not into temptation;
but deliver us from evil. ^

RayPray writes:

in response to mfb:

hey you are an atheist good for you no one cares but is it really necessary to attack a 93 year old woman who does good work because she has a different belief system? And yes I know her and there is nothing preachy, sanctimonious or judgmental about her. She is not in the least narcissistic and does most of the good she does as quietly and unobtrusively as possible. I hope in your life time you touch as many people and help as many people as she has and does even at the age of 93, somehow, though I kind of doubt it

"hey...no one cares...."

>>> Evidently, YOU cared enough to register on this site and post this reply....

26yearsonmarco writes:

So what are all the OLD GUYS doing????

And here comes the NEW GENERATION OF VOTERS:

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/...

Konfuzius writes:

in response to 26yearsonmarco:

So what are all the OLD GUYS doing????

And here comes the NEW GENERATION OF VOTERS:

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/...

"1 in 4 Americans unaware that Earth circles Sun."

Interesting that 26yearstolongonMarco figured out that 25% of Americans are not very good educated.

CopWatch writes:

I am ashamed of those who would show no respect for good people such as the fine ladies in this article. It says a lot about how they were brought up. Further, to the fool who delights in denigrating our America, may I urge you to leave and relocate to a place you can relate to. Bernburg, Germany has a history that fits your discriminatory agenda.

http://www.point2homes.com/DE/Rental-...

MIOCENE1 writes:

in response to CopWatch:

I am ashamed of those who would show no respect for good people such as the fine ladies in this article. It says a lot about how they were brought up. Further, to the fool who delights in denigrating our America, may I urge you to leave and relocate to a place you can relate to. Bernburg, Germany has a history that fits your discriminatory agenda.

http://www.point2homes.com/DE/Rental-...

He must mean me. :-)

I still stand by my words:

Mrs. Broderick is a fine lady, and a great American.

However; her belief that GOD was responsible for the many so-called BLESSINGS in her life is the highest degree of narcissism.

To believe that an all powerful, all loving GOD looked upon the Earth and BLESSED Mrs. Broderick; while for the past one-hundred fifty years said "screw you" to the men, women and children of Haiti; relegating them to filth, poverty, starvation and disease; is the highest degree of narcissism.

I say this because the faithful; who claim to be BLESSED; are insinuating that in the eyes of the greatest power in the Universe; actually believe that they are MORE DESERVING of a happy life then some kid in East Africa with hookworm sucking on his guts.

Mrs. Broderick seems to have no idea that the people of Haiti ALSO pray, and are just as devoted to god as she.
SO:
Either god turns a deaf ear to the Haitians; in which case Mrs. Broderick is more deserving then they.
OR. Mrs Broderick has to realize that she did everything in her life under her OWN strength; and it had nothing to do with the so-called hand of god.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

Konfuzius writes:

in response to MIOCENE1:

He must mean me. :-)

I still stand by my words:

Mrs. Broderick is a fine lady, and a great American.

However; her belief that GOD was responsible for the many so-called BLESSINGS in her life is the highest degree of narcissism.

To believe that an all powerful, all loving GOD looked upon the Earth and BLESSED Mrs. Broderick; while for the past one-hundred fifty years said "screw you" to the men, women and children of Haiti; relegating them to filth, poverty, starvation and disease; is the highest degree of narcissism.

I say this because the faithful; who claim to be BLESSED; are insinuating that in the eyes of the greatest power in the Universe; actually believe that they are MORE DESERVING of a happy life then some kid in East Africa with hookworm sucking on his guts.

Mrs. Broderick seems to have no idea that the people of Haiti ALSO pray, and are just as devoted to god as she.
SO:
Either god turns a deaf ear to the Haitians; in which case Mrs. Broderick is more deserving then they.
OR. Mrs Broderick has to realize that she did everything in her life under her OWN strength; and it had nothing to do with the so-called hand of god.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

Sorry that he is calling you a fool. You are not. But this people are nit very well-behaved. Take it not personal. They insult me over and over again.
Who cares.Some Americans have very bad manners.
That's all. Stay to your opinion. That's all what count.

MIOCENE1 writes:

Thank you K.

I have a rich and full life also; but I can't seem to 'get across' to these people a certain concept.

ie. Could Mrs. Broderick stand next to a woman of the same age; who witnessed her children being thrown alive into a burning pit in a Nazi death camp; hear them scream themselves to death; and have the nerve to say to her: I was BLESSED; I can only assume that your WEREN'T.

Yet they do it all the time without realizing it. The fact that they CAN leaves do doubt that cluttering the mind with the Christian Religion leads to a mental disorder.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

Konfuzius writes:

in response to MIOCENE1:

Thank you K.

I have a rich and full life also; but I can't seem to 'get across' to these people a certain concept.

ie. Could Mrs. Broderick stand next to a woman of the same age; who witnessed her children being thrown alive into a burning pit in a Nazi death camp; hear them scream themselves to death; and have the nerve to say to her: I was BLESSED; I can only assume that your WEREN'T.

Yet they do it all the time without realizing it. The fact that they CAN leaves do doubt that cluttering the mind with the Christian Religion leads to a mental disorder.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

The value of a democracy is that people have to respect other opinions. Unfortunately some of our bloggers like still NAZI Germany. Blog under the name as SS General Fegelein. Put their NAZI ideology blog by blog. Resurrect as Albert Speer = Peter Panzer! Means Peter TANK!. Insult Marco Island city councilor as NAZI pals. Have supporters like August8 now CopWatch. Right wing fanatic people right of Mussolini.
Bottom line - I have not to share your opinion but I can respect your opinion without to insult you or call you names.
This "real + upper-class" Americans can not. No well behavior!
See what they call GREAT President Barack Obama: Boy!!!! KKK and Nazi fans. Lowest level.
I feel sorry for you but I got this experience several times.

CopWatch writes:

As Sunday approaches, may God bless Rita Broderick, Betty Freeman and Doretta Alger, true beacons of light in our community.

MIOCENE1 writes:

in response to CopWatch:

As Sunday approaches, may God bless Rita Broderick, Betty Freeman and Doretta Alger, true beacons of light in our community.

SEE? There they go again. "May god bless".

Isn't it interesting how we never hear Christians say: May god bless the children in the cancer ward.

If god BLESSED them, then they wouldn't be in the cancer ward.

"There but for the grace of god; go I"
Well why the hell did Bradford think that he; amoung the millions of miserable starving, diseased peasants; think that HE was singled out for the "grace of god"?

There is no grace. There is no god; and there is no such thing as an immortal soul. It was all made-up.

Religion is a mental disorder.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

CopWatch writes:

Give thanks to the Lord, our God, who has created all life.

God’s love is forever.

Open our eyes to the joys and gifts to be learned and shared from all the seasons of life.

Open our eyes that we may know your love at each moment of our lives.

Thank you, God, for children who are curious, unafraid, and infectiously joyful, who are trusting receivers of God’s grace.

We thank and praise you, God, for children.

Thank you, Lord, for the young who demonstrate courage and hope as they begin new adventures; for their fresh ideas and their energies.

We thank and praise you, God, for the young.

For those in the middle years of life, we give thanks, dear Lord; for steady hands and hearts that guide the young and offer their experience to us all.

We thank and praise you, God, for those in the middle years of life.

For those grown up and grown old, dear Lord, we celebrate your special gift. We give thanks for joys seen only through the eyes of those who are wise in their age and whose stories of life lived can enrich all our lives.

We give thanks and praise, dear Lord, for those who have grown old.

Guide our lives, Lord, so that in each stage of life we recognize and cherish the joys and sorrows, the strengths and weaknesses, and the special presence of your Spirit—not only in our own season of life, but in the lives of each other, young or old or in between.

Dear God, we give you praise and thanksgiving for all the seasons of life, and we ask that you open our eyes that we may see the unique gift of each person’s life, created out of your love.

God’s love enfolds us all.

—Sarah Hipps

MIOCENE1 writes:

"GOD'S LOVE ENFOLDS US ALL"

I don't think that SAHAH HIPPS wrote this after the Hutus cut off her breasts while slicing off the heads of her children.

Sarah Hipps live in a world of fantasy; a fabricated dreamworld of self-delusion and Christian neurosis who rationalizes the horror in the world by believing that GOD HAS A PLAN FOR ALL OF US.

We have all heard that before.

SO:
If you have two beautiful children; that was god's plan for you.
If your neighbor had two miscarriages; that was god's plan for HER.

Interesting thought: If god has a plan for all of you; then why bother praying?
You're not going to change the plan that god HAS; and if you do; then god had no definate plan to BEGIN with.

Certainly if the mother prayed, the Tutis wouldn't have murdered her children according to god's plan for them to do so.

SO: It therefore WAS god's plan for the children to be murdered.

You can now see how the Christian belief of "god has a plan for all of us" and "god's love enfolds us all" is clearly the result of a mental disorder; a mind warped in early childhood leading to varying degrees of hallucination and self-delusion.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

CopWatch writes:

Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love for one another, a tender heart, and a humble mind. (1 Peter 3:8)

Two neighbors were visiting one evening. One of the women asked., "After a long busy week, do you ever wake up grumpy on Sunday?"

"No," replied the other woman. "That's the day I always let him sleep in."

Do you ever wake up grumpy? I know I do sometimes. But, we don't have to stay that way. And we certainly don't have to take it to town with us where we will bring division.

Only a united community can do great things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. If people in the community can't get along with one another or are grumpy, how can we expect people in the world to get along? Disagreements in the community send a negative message to the world, including people who might be considering joining the community. "Why would I want to be a part of that community?" someone might think. "All they do is fight with one another all the time. I would be better off staying home on Sunday morning." United with one focus there is no stopping the church of Jesus Christ. Together we in the community can accomplish great things; divided the community will not accomplish much of anything.

God of unity, help ua to bring unity to our community. In Jesus' name, Amen.

Konfuzius writes:

in response to CopWatch:

Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love for one another, a tender heart, and a humble mind. (1 Peter 3:8)

Two neighbors were visiting one evening. One of the women asked., "After a long busy week, do you ever wake up grumpy on Sunday?"

"No," replied the other woman. "That's the day I always let him sleep in."

Do you ever wake up grumpy? I know I do sometimes. But, we don't have to stay that way. And we certainly don't have to take it to town with us where we will bring division.

Only a united community can do great things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. If people in the community can't get along with one another or are grumpy, how can we expect people in the world to get along? Disagreements in the community send a negative message to the world, including people who might be considering joining the community. "Why would I want to be a part of that community?" someone might think. "All they do is fight with one another all the time. I would be better off staying home on Sunday morning." United with one focus there is no stopping the church of Jesus Christ. Together we in the community can accomplish great things; divided the community will not accomplish much of anything.

God of unity, help ua to bring unity to our community. In Jesus' name, Amen.

You really believe this crab?????

BarbieDoll writes:

Someone is grumpy.

MIOCENE1 writes:

HERE IS THE REAL STORY OF JESUS CHRIST.

The "Jesus Cult" was started by a Charismatic Hippie, his girlfriend, and eleven other outcasts.

The Jesus cult was a dissident movement within Judaism as many Jews were unhappy with their peasant status within the religion; that being 'spiritually' subservient to the High Priests. (not being with the IN-crowd)

The Jesus Cult was ALSO disliked by the Romans as it was a threat to the status quo shared between the High Priests and government officials; (which kept “the natives from becoming restless)

Since most people were poor and miserable; and had little to live for in THIS life; they gravitated toward a new charismatic leader who promised them a NEW KINGDOM; a kingdom for the disease-ridden miserable peasants; a CHANGE within the age-old status quo Jewish religion; in addition to demanding that the rich “sell what they have and give it to these poor”; a very appealing idea to the peasant.

It was EASY for the trouble-maker Jesus to attract the peasants; since the groundwork was already laid; them being a population already raised on Jewish mysticism and superstition.

Yet it still took almost three centuries for Christianity to "take off" and form a "common theme"; and the COMMON THEME was the result of the politics of Emperor Constantine; who saw Christianity as tool to CONTROL AND UNITE the peasants AND the Empire.

Constantine summoned Womanizing Drunks (Bishops) from all over to decide which “stories” about Jesus should form the Common Theme, and which should be discarded.

The peasants were now united in the Empire under that unifying and unstopable combination of NATIONALISM plus FAITH. (god and country)

Since the true religion always travels with the strongest army; Catholicism later got its final political boost from Emperor Charlemagne who saw wisdom in unity, and cut off the heads of most everyone who wouldn't UNIFY under Vatican Catholicism.

The Protestant Reformation was an offshoot of Catholicism built upon it’s own brand of superstitious rubbish.

Fast forward to the present; and we have two billion followers of the Christian Jesus Cult, and a few million surviving Jews; all built upon ancient politics and superstition; promoted by the vehicles of self delusion, hallucination, exaggeration, and lies.

If it wasn’t the Jesus Cult which took root, it would have been ANOTHER cult. Maybe it WAS another one.
Anyway, something always rushes in to fill the religious vacuum; as man has always found a need to deny his mortality, and lock his fear of oblivion in a closet and never speak of it.

No angel appeared to a virgin. No god was born of a virgin. No man-god rose from the dead; and no matter what they drilled into your head since childhood; -No Jesus is ever coming back.

Christ is dead, and just like Mohammed and Moses; they haven’t been; and will never be seen again.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

CopWatch writes:

Please seek help before it is too late.

In regards to atheism and mental and physical health, there is considerable amount of scientific evidence that suggest that theism is more conducive to mental and physical health than atheism.The prestigious Mayo Clinic reported the following:

In an article also published in this issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings, Mayo Clinic researchers reviewed published studies, meta-analyses, systematic reviews and subject reviews that examined the association between religious involvement and spirituality and physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.

The authors report a majority of the nearly 350 studies of physical health and 850 studies of mental health that have used religious and spiritual variables have found that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes.

multi_million_heir writes:

"Anyway, something always rushes in to fill the religious vacuum; as man has always found a need to deny his mortality, and lock his fear of oblivion in a closet and never speak of it"'.

True followers of Christianity have no fear of death. Do you? God has a plan for all of us. Your mission is to test the faith and beliefs of followers and agnostics, and bolster the aetheist's resolve. Therefore, you too will be welcomed in the Kingdom of Heaven. May God bless you for doing an outstanding job in your mission!

MIOCENE1 writes:

OK guys. It IS true that the faithful are more happy than Atheists; but that's because you guys live in a "dream world"; a psycological NARCOTIC called religion; which sheilds you from the reality you refuse to face.

Come along with me; face reality; and be miserable; just like me. Read on if you dare.

Introduce this discussion in the next Bible class:
If the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would give birth to Jesus; the “son of god”;

then why would the same Angel Gabriel appear some 600 years later and announce to Mohammed that there is “no god BUT god” and that god cannot HAVE a son?

Wouldn’t it be interesting if children were raised from birth in Islamochristian schools; where classes and discussion included the scripture of BOTH religions; the Bible and the Koran. Throw in some Judaism also; the religion which pre-dates the first two.

Kids could then make up their OWN minds as to the true word of god.

But the faithful will not do this. The faithful fear that the TRUTH of THEIR scripture will not triumph above the others; that the word of THEIR god will not obviously shine above the other two.

Their fear leads them to indoctrinate their children from birth; creating ‘trained seals’ who ‘parrot’ such phrases as “Jesus is lord” and “No one can come to the Father except through me”; or “ there is no god but god”.

The world of the faithful is an artificial world; manufactured by parents and clergy who create robotic children; all of which are nurtured to forever swirl round-and-round in the eddy currents of religious beliefs which are valid only within their own scripture; outside of which; each religion rapidly disintegrates into rubbish when challenged by the so-called truths of the other two.

The fact that the faithful cannot face this, is a clear sign that religion is a mental disorder.

Yet COPWATCH is right. Religious people ARE "happier".

I started with anti-religious posts after the GOP; MY Republican Party was hijacked by the Evangelists and turned into an arm of the Christian Religion; to roll women's rights back to the 1950's.

When the Evangelists leave the GOP and go back to the CONSERVATIVE (CONSTITUTION) Party where they belong; then I will shut up.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

MIOCENE1 writes:

in response to multi_million_heir:

"Anyway, something always rushes in to fill the religious vacuum; as man has always found a need to deny his mortality, and lock his fear of oblivion in a closet and never speak of it"'.

True followers of Christianity have no fear of death. Do you? God has a plan for all of us. Your mission is to test the faith and beliefs of followers and agnostics, and bolster the aetheist's resolve. Therefore, you too will be welcomed in the Kingdom of Heaven. May God bless you for doing an outstanding job in your mission!

Excellent reply. Thank you.
It gave me something to think about.

A GOD would probably rather be in the company of Atheists, Scientists, Evolutionists and Physicists; rather then sit around all day with the faithful dead.

A creature with the intellect of a god would probably get quite BORED sitting around all day listening to faithful "yes" men, and "company" men reciting the Bible, praying, washing his feet and questioning not.

It is the scientists and Atheists who will someday sit with god in his 'living room'; because quite frankly; unless one has studied Historical Geology, Evolution, Physics or Mathematics; one will probably be relegated to a sort of "Strawberry Fields" section of heaven and live as the “Eloi” in the 1960 Movie “The Time Machine”.

However, all is not lost. With no work to be done feeding the poor in the Afterlife; and the faithful in need of something to do; I am sure that the Kingdom of Heaven will include libraries filled with volumes of Science and Math; so the faithful can work their way out of their state of bliss; and into god’s living room.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

Konfuzius writes:

"True followers of Christianity have no fear of death."

Who told you that?

multi_million_heir writes:

"Since the true religion always travels with the strongest army; Catholicism later got its final political boost from Emperor Charlemagne who saw wisdom in unity, and cut off the heads of most everyone who wouldn't UNIFY under Vatican Catholicism"'

I am actually a descendant of Charlemagne, and others of nobility. There is a town and castle on the island of Sicily that bears my family name. I have not researched his life in great depth as it is far removed from modern life and never interested me. He was noted for many great things. However research has been unable to confirm the alleged massacre of pagans according to the sources that I have read.

multi_million_heir writes:

in response to Konfuzius:

"True followers of Christianity have no fear of death."

Who told you that?

Christians.

MIOCENE1 writes:

in response to multi_million_heir:

"Since the true religion always travels with the strongest army; Catholicism later got its final political boost from Emperor Charlemagne who saw wisdom in unity, and cut off the heads of most everyone who wouldn't UNIFY under Vatican Catholicism"'

I am actually a descendant of Charlemagne, and others of nobility. There is a town and castle on the island of Sicily that bears my family name. I have not researched his life in great depth as it is far removed from modern life and never interested me. He was noted for many great things. However research has been unable to confirm the alleged massacre of pagans according to the sources that I have read.

COOL!

Read up on Charlemagne. He was probably THE "great mover" in Western Civilization; uniting the Empire and attempting to bring education out of the monasteries; and TO the peasants. If he had lived longer he would have done it.
Overwhelming numbers of historians agree, however, that he DID kill the Pagans.
Like Constantine before him, Charlemagne recognized that lethal fighting force of GOD+COUNTRY; church in combination with state; which solidified the Empire; literally created the history of modern Europe; and secured Christianity's place in the modern world.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

Konfuzius writes:

" There is a town and castle on the island of Sicily that bears my family name."

Corleone?

multi_million_heir writes:

in response to Konfuzius:

" There is a town and castle on the island of Sicily that bears my family name."

Corleone?

close. the patriarch did get whacked. forget about it.

multi_million_heir writes:

in response to MIOCENE1:

COOL!

Read up on Charlemagne. He was probably THE "great mover" in Western Civilization; uniting the Empire and attempting to bring education out of the monasteries; and TO the peasants. If he had lived longer he would have done it.
Overwhelming numbers of historians agree, however, that he DID kill the Pagans.
Like Constantine before him, Charlemagne recognized that lethal fighting force of GOD+COUNTRY; church in combination with state; which solidified the Empire; literally created the history of modern Europe; and secured Christianity's place in the modern world.

MIOCENE (PAREIDOLIA)

Thanks. every time I read on him I get bogged down in all the battles. Hard to keep track without lots of research on all involved. And working 3 jobs I have no time at present. Off to job 2 now. But I agree he was a reformer.

RayPray writes:

in response to multi_million_heir:

"Since the true religion always travels with the strongest army; Catholicism later got its final political boost from Emperor Charlemagne who saw wisdom in unity, and cut off the heads of most everyone who wouldn't UNIFY under Vatican Catholicism"'

I am actually a descendant of Charlemagne, and others of nobility. There is a town and castle on the island of Sicily that bears my family name. I have not researched his life in great depth as it is far removed from modern life and never interested me. He was noted for many great things. However research has been unable to confirm the alleged massacre of pagans according to the sources that I have read.

"I am actually a descendant of Charlemagne, and others of nobility."

>>> Glad to hear that since all along I thought you were just some peon!

>>> In fact, statistically all white people are descendents of Charlemagne & multiple other 'nobles'

>>> This is because of a fun feudal activity known as Droit du seigneur. Check it out....

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/t...

>>> By the way, there are several Commodores at our Yacht Club that actually knew Charlemagne personally....

multi_million_heir writes:

Glad to hear that since all along I thought you were just some peon!

But alas, I am. I do not reside in the town bearing my name, nor the castle.

>>> In fact, statistically all white people are descendents(sic) of Charlemagne & multiple other 'nobles'

So the casle and town bearing your family name, just a statistical drop in the genealogical bucket of all the white folk, is where again? Sorry if my comment made you feel as though I was condescending and diminishing of your worth rp. It was just a side note to Mio as he had mentioned the name. I have a very active life and don't troll here just to agitate others.

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