Marco Island's Rose Marina gets first nod toward approval of multimillion dollar renovations

Dan High, assistant general manager of Rose Marina, answers Marco Island Planning Board questions Friday regarding the design of a proposed 60-foot high dry storage barn. To High’s left is Josh Maxwell, a designer for the new marina. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Dan High, assistant general manager of Rose Marina, answers Marco Island Planning Board questions Friday regarding the design of a proposed 60-foot high dry storage barn. To High’s left is Josh Maxwell, a designer for the new marina. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Residents attending Marco Island’s Planning Board meeting Friday study plans outlining Marco River Marina’s request for four Land Development Code changes. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Residents attending Marco Island’s Planning Board meeting Friday study plans outlining Marco River Marina’s request for four Land Development Code changes. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

A larger than average crowd attends Marco Island's Planning Board public hearing Friday to hear comments from Rose Marina's management on changes to their facility on Bald Eagle Drive. The marina is seeking changes to the city's Land Development Code. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

A larger than average crowd attends Marco Island's Planning Board public hearing Friday to hear comments from Rose Marina's management on changes to their facility on Bald Eagle Drive. The marina is seeking changes to the city's Land Development Code. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Dwight Stiehl, president of Rose Packing Company, Chicago, owner of Marco River Marina, explains his vision for a renovated and modernized marina during Marco Island’s Planning Board meeting on Friday. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

Dwight Stiehl, president of Rose Packing Company, Chicago, owner of Marco River Marina, explains his vision for a renovated and modernized marina during Marco Island’s Planning Board meeting on Friday. Cheryl Ferrara/Eagle Correspondent

— Rose Marina may be able to store boats higher and dryer thanks to approval on first reading of four amendments to Marco Island’s Land Development Code. Second reading is scheduled for Jan. 17.

If approved by Marco Island’s Planning Board and City Council, conditional use applications could be made for marine boat and trailer storage in C-5 and C-4 zoning districts. The decision came Friday at the request of Marco River Marina, Inc., doing business as Rose Marina.

The marina owns land on both sides of Bald Eagle Drive near Old Marco. Its .92 acres, located at 900 Bald Eagle Drive and across the street from Rose Marina, are in the city’s C-4 zone. The property is currently an overflow parking lot and grassy area.

On the waterside, the marina has an active business in C-5 zoning and owns several undeveloped residential lots. Dwight Stiehl, president of the corporation, explained the company is seeking the code changes and permits to realize its plan for an updated, renovated and modernized marina.

The waterside’s 3.76 acres would include a 45-foot high service building, a 60-foot high dry storage barn and an open rack boat and trailer storage facility. Docks, the retail shop and other services already provided by the marina would remain on the property.

Craig Woodward, attorney for the petitioner, said the marina was looking for the land use changes in advance of requesting six conditional use permits from the city. Petitioners for the conditional use permits are Marco River Marina and Ridgeway Enterprises.

The petitioners hope to build an open rack boat storage facility, trailer facility and dealership with open display on the C-4 land. That would require a change to city code and two conditional use permits.

Joe Irvin, zoning administrator, said the uses would be permissible for marinas “which are located on navigable waters.”

In C-5, the marina requested a change that would increase building heights for marinas from 50 to 60 feet. That would open the way for a conditional use permit to rebuild the existing 30-foot high dry storage barn to 60 feet, accommodating larger vessels. It also would increase maximum boat storage from 122 to 144.

The addition of a 45-foot high service facility with a parts area and offices would bring small boat repair work indoors, said Dan High, assistant general manager for the marina. Restroom facilities, showers, a laundry, a small lounge and a patio area would be available for transient boating guests.

Within the new site’s design, the marina will ask for 20 parking spaces and a passive park with a walking trail and benches on its residential lots. Those lots are currently vacant.

Architectural renderings were not available at Friday’s meeting. Council requested they be provided at the second public hearing.

Owners from Angler’s Cove, located next to the marina’s C-5 property, questioned the impact a larger storage structure would have on their quality of life. If approved, the new dry storage barn, increased from 30 to 60 feet, would be place 20 feet closer to the condominium than the current building.

Residents questioned whether the new structure would reduce light and air quality, create noise and odors, negatively impact property values and placed an unsightly wall outside their doors.

Although the marina was not seeking approval for conditional uses at Friday’s meeting, some homeowners asked the board to deny conditional use for business parking in residential areas. A public hearing by the Planning Board on the six conditional use petitions was tentatively scheduled for March 7, after city council holds its two public hearings on the land use changes.

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ajm3s writes:

This is another petition to elevate beyond the zoning laws in this town. To continue to tweek a small increase here and there.

Bear in mind, a C-4 zone is different from a C-5 zone, with C-5 zoning having lower height standards (50') with essentially no setbacks (0'). So now they are requesting to build to higher than allowed heights (additional 10' above allowable height restrictions) while expanding the existing storage facility footprint out to the lot boundaries.

In my world this is another violation of the intent of the vision proposed decades ago. Now with the Marriott and Rose Marina (both upstanding businesses), going before the Planning Board we see the never ending nudge to go beyond ones limits in the name of addressing markets conditions.

May I suggest the market the planning board must review is the market of developing a town with a small town atmosphere-primarily a residential community.

Building larger boxes on the same footprint is NOT the way. But then who is to stop progress when it is packaged as a NEED to address the market.

What happened to the residential community vision? I provide you with a glimpse of how far this island has strayed in such a small time frame. Just read the comments of the original architect who gives it too you straight, Mr. Herb Savage:

http://www.coastalbreezenews.com/2013...

To those who believe Mr. Savage is simply recollecting an outdated plan, I say even downtown Naples understood the need to restrict heights if it wanted to maintain a special look.

The look of Marco is constantly changing through the tweaking of Land Development Codes and creating ordinances to allow larger and higher facilities and increase densities in areas it was never intended to create.

The result will be a hodgepodge of larger facilities on the original footprints that essentially creates avenues of limited vision.

The proof: the vacant lots on this island are not being developed, in fact during the period from 2006 through 2010 the numbers increase through demolition permits. And why buy a larger vacant lot when you can simply ask the Planning Board and City Council to amend the codes, not because of ambiguity but the market conditions have changed.

The ultimate is when the big box stores and smaller name hotels arrive in areas never intended on this island. It looks like progress but it reeks of commercialism beyond the NEEDS of a small tropical town.

Perhaps we NEED to change the Planning Board's mission statement to reflect the NEEDS of the business community and disregard the vision laid out 50 years ago.

Konfuzius writes:

I mean it was crystal clear that the Rose family looked to their investment different than Bill Rose.
But what will happened now?

tikihut2206 writes:

do any of you people ever post positive comments!!!

tikihut2206 writes:

ok people, bring it on...I am ready...I asked back in December to have a face to face with certain people that have not been very nice to me...Raypray..Konfusios...etc...no takers...I will be back in Marco in April...anyone want to meet and discuss!!!

tikihut2206 writes:

stop hiding behind your fake names...if you are going to say things about me..lets talk...what are you afraid!!!!when you meet me and still don't like me ok I can deal with it..but really stop saying things about me because you don't agree with me....

Konfuzius writes:

OK send e-mail in April.

lauralbi1 writes:

Hascle: You bring up an interesting question. You can contact MICA and request the Deed Restrictions on these lots or you can go online to County Records and find them yourself. Funny enough, it may very well end up that these lots may be Deed Restricted against the uses they are proposing. The Planning Board and Council do NOT deal with Deed restrictions. They do not even look at them nor are they of concern to the City. It is up to MICA to enforce them. I certainly suggest to Rose Marina that they check with MICA before moving forward.

To AJM3: You need to keep in mind that the City may be allowing this to make the Marina a viable business. Rose Marina, MANY, MANY years ago submitted plans for a Condo project on their property and got approvals. So, be assured that if the business is not profitable, we lose a Marina and gain more Condos. Just keep that in mind as we discuss alternatives and Uses.
Ed Issler

1Paradiselost writes:

in response to tikihut2206:

do any of you people ever post positive comments!!!

Going by past blogs... Not often.

After all "Good news does not sell newspapers" The paper your reading is designed by nature to cater to the tourist, realtor, & chamber of commerce crowd.

Everyone wants to relax while on vacation, and just maybe, buy their place in the sun.

Many of the topics discussed by bloggers are NOT part of the papers headlines. Many islanders read these blogs to find out what's THE REAL truth on what's going on here on Marco.

Many who blog have the inside track which can be seen recently concerning our police department. AS a former person involved in law enforcement you should know information comes from ones ability to stay anonymous.

You see many came here with a fist full of money looking for happiness. However money doe's not buy happiness.

Once you move here you will find some of the same problems you thought you left behind where you lived before.

The only difference, your problems cost more here! Who ever heard of having a $200.00+ a month water and sewer bill!

The local papers and the chambers job is to sell you a lifestyle, making Jimmy Buffett the soundtrack to your new life. Because on Marco Island, Booze is cheaper than the cities drinking water!

Konfuzius writes:

in response to lauralbi1:

Hascle: You bring up an interesting question. You can contact MICA and request the Deed Restrictions on these lots or you can go online to County Records and find them yourself. Funny enough, it may very well end up that these lots may be Deed Restricted against the uses they are proposing. The Planning Board and Council do NOT deal with Deed restrictions. They do not even look at them nor are they of concern to the City. It is up to MICA to enforce them. I certainly suggest to Rose Marina that they check with MICA before moving forward.

To AJM3: You need to keep in mind that the City may be allowing this to make the Marina a viable business. Rose Marina, MANY, MANY years ago submitted plans for a Condo project on their property and got approvals. So, be assured that if the business is not profitable, we lose a Marina and gain more Condos. Just keep that in mind as we discuss alternatives and Uses.
Ed Issler

Eddi,
that is what I like on you. You apply a double standard. Marriott is OK, ROSE has to watch.....
WHAT? They can build condos if they want. And nobody can stop them. No city, no MICA, no Eddi!
This property is zoned for multiply uses. Whether you like it or not. Bill Rose - this great guy and outstanding friend of Marco Island - want no chances at all. Even if the marina makes losses he want to keep it. Now he is gone. If his family has other ideas they can do it. Very simulate to the Marriott project you like so much. So be happy if the Rose family stays to the will of Bill Rose and keep the marina like it is. Without the marina Marco Island is no boating community anymore. A very high price we all pay to accelerated the downfall. . Maybe the realtor and Chamber people like it. I do not like it at all.
Marco Island needed this marina. It is a substantial asset. Much higher than a Mackle Park community center. Maybe the city shall make an offer to the Rose family to keep it under control of Marco Island. Nut I have my doubts by this city management whether they have this ability of visions.

tikihut2206 writes:

in response to Genuine:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

definition in the US..is tiki...is tiki hut or tiki bar...really u are so serious...it is just a fun name..and give me your email..and we will all meet in April when I am there...

ajm3s writes:

in response to lauralbi1:

Hascle: You bring up an interesting question. You can contact MICA and request the Deed Restrictions on these lots or you can go online to County Records and find them yourself. Funny enough, it may very well end up that these lots may be Deed Restricted against the uses they are proposing. The Planning Board and Council do NOT deal with Deed restrictions. They do not even look at them nor are they of concern to the City. It is up to MICA to enforce them. I certainly suggest to Rose Marina that they check with MICA before moving forward.

To AJM3: You need to keep in mind that the City may be allowing this to make the Marina a viable business. Rose Marina, MANY, MANY years ago submitted plans for a Condo project on their property and got approvals. So, be assured that if the business is not profitable, we lose a Marina and gain more Condos. Just keep that in mind as we discuss alternatives and Uses.
Ed Issler

Ed:

I do keep the condo project in the back of my mind. This exemplifies the crappy variances and hodgepodge approvals to city planning on Marco Island.

In fact, the dissidents at the Planning Board meeting were residents of Anglers Cove, which was originally a C5 zoned property that adjoins the Marina. So now we have residential opponents to a neighborhood that was laid out for C5 use.

This is exactly why I wish the Planning Board would be very, very sensitive to making changes to conditional use, but more importantly...the Land Development Codes. And STOP this tweeking!

In my view this island is undoing what was fairly well laid out 50 years ago...although I will submit with the loss of 5000 single family homes in the mid 70's, due to changes in environmental law...I would have expected a reduction in the total land available for commercial use.

But this city is on a plan to maximize revenue at the expense of character in developing a small tropical town.

I wish others were as sensitive to this. Pay attention to the upcoming PUD review for the land now occupied at the corner of Bald Eagle and Collier which includes CVS, Beales and Progressive. I believe it will be doozy.

This incessant incremental zoning change is quite a feat, while slowly chipping away the small tropical town atmosphere character.

I will predict Collier Blvd (the main artery) will be a juggernaut exacerbated by the Midtown Plan to slow down traffic by incorporating wide corners...only to further contribute to traffic snarl...all under the false narrative that Marco Island will be pedestrian friendly in the Midtown District....as attendees go to the conference center whizzing past the Bald Eagle intersection to the Marriott.

Its about intensity...putting more stuff on the same footprint beyond of current zoning and land development codes.

Recipe for permanently changing the character of this island.

Cha-Ching!

1Paradiselost writes:

NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!

Someone just told me that the Marriott has purchased the Rose Marina! The closing will be at the end of March of this year!

Konfuzius writes:

in response to 1Paradiselost:

NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!

Someone just told me that the Marriott has purchased the Rose Marina! The closing will be at the end of March of this year!

If that is true the days of Jack's lookout are count!

harrisbill239#279036 writes:

In light of the firing of Bryan Milk and the very questionable promotion of Joe Irvin, over just such matters in C4 zones - I suggest that it would be best to: have a very indepth investigation on all the ramifications involved in this variance request, and that all such requests be held in abeyance until all the complaints, the lawsuits and fallout around Milk's firing are fully resolved. Otherwise, we're looking at further incidents where unfair influence rules the day on Marco. It seems that some people who have 'relationships' or 'friendships' with those in business on Marco are okay - but others who have friendships are NOT okay. It's kind of like Obama's definition "if you like your insurance policy", and like Clinton's definition of sex.

naples_rocket writes:

in response to harrisbill239#279036:

In light of the firing of Bryan Milk and the very questionable promotion of Joe Irvin, over just such matters in C4 zones - I suggest that it would be best to: have a very indepth investigation on all the ramifications involved in this variance request, and that all such requests be held in abeyance until all the complaints, the lawsuits and fallout around Milk's firing are fully resolved. Otherwise, we're looking at further incidents where unfair influence rules the day on Marco. It seems that some people who have 'relationships' or 'friendships' with those in business on Marco are okay - but others who have friendships are NOT okay. It's kind of like Obama's definition "if you like your insurance policy", and like Clinton's definition of sex.

So was Irving given the job? I thought it was temporary until this mess is resolved and permanent director is hired. But it's city of Marco we are talking about, nothing surprises me anymore.

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