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A famous saying..."Price is what you pay, and value is what you get." Don't just look at cost, you need to look at the value (or results). If we (the U.S.) weren't ranked in the bottom portion of most major global academic performance stats, cost could easily be justified, but that is not the case. I don't think it's appropriate to place the burden on teachers alone, but the system as a whole is not working well. It's time for a new approach. Yet, it doesn't appear we're collectively smart enough to recognize that, and/or do the right things to make a change happen.
AJM - Thanks for the reply, but let's be sure to stay focused. The question that remains is...is the proposed Mackle Park expansion justified? Bringing up off site vacant strip malls & city center locations is taking this off the path. The current park has space, there are obvious advantages in considerations for expanding on-site, so let's evaluate what's on the table based on the factual information.
I take issue with the referenced link on the single role of government, it's myopic and limited, which is far from "great". If we lower the bar on what our government should provide to it's citizens for our taxation contribution, we will surely be delivered a poor result. Don't fall prey to this limited perspective. Raise the bar, expect more, and recognize that a community and city will draw in residents and visitors based on what it offers beyond just "protection", so if we wish to keep this city and area in demand, retaining the value of our community, homes, residents, we need to expect more, not less.
Granted, I think there are aspects of the proposal that may not be justified, but that shouldn't mean the whole proposal and consideration should be axed. Let's consider this on its merits and evaluate what works, what doesn't and where the compromise resides.
Again, although I may not agree with all your inputs, I'm glad to see the engagement and discussion. Thank you.
Mr. Uhler - I understand your letter, and agree that fiscal responsibility is critical, but don't presume to consider that all "The People" of Marco are opposed to this improvement in our park facilities. Despite that poor decisions that have been made in the past to balloon the city debt service to an extreme amount, we shouldn't be so careless to just throw out the baby with the bath water. Any appropriate decision should be based on its merits, and if the business case and requirements of compliance are justified, then the direction and action will be appropriate. The research and validation of the information continues and I would have expected that you would approve of the due diligence, as the city staff works actively to ensure all the necessary data and information is fully vetted and shared with "the people". It would appear that just because you don't agree with the facts on the status of the site and center, you are negative about the direction. Please, I urge to you evaluate the facts here, which is surely you would have expected to have happened years ago when the purchase of the Utility was being considered.
As someone who utilizes the Mackle Park facilities frequently, anyone who visits would see how inadequate it is for the current needs, as well as future needs.
Be reminded that if the city and community wishes for Marco to be and remain a premier area, investment in actively used facilities for recreation, learning and community engagement are not just convenient but necessary. Let's start to judge this program on it's merits, as opposed to just the few, most vocal, senior resident constituents wishes. The community is not just made of seniors, but children, parents and visitors, who typically walk away with a very favorable opinion of Mackle Park. I know, because I ask many of them. And remember that many of those demographics wouldn't be represented in a referendum. Now imagine how much more value and outlook there would be with some improvement and prudent expansion to the facility and grounds.
Bottom line, I advocate a fiscal responsible direction that is justified by the needs, and abilities of the city. That is what investment is about, and the return should be justified. I'm sure you would agree that is a fair, prudent and appropriate path of consideration when it comes to this project.
If there are other "pragmatic alternatives" that haven't yet been shared, I suggest you share them with us. I for one, am ready to make considerations based on the facts, objectives and abilities, just as we should expect from our local government. Surely there is a compromise somewhere.
Thank you for your comments. I know you are active in your communication on civic issues and it truly enhances the value of our conversations and reflects that we are a community who shares the same goals, but may sometimes disagree in how to reach those goals.
Paul - I voted for you because I know you would have done a great job for this city. I know my vote WAS NOT wasted, as it's a voice for the strong representation of a large part of this island. You will still earn a great many votes, as you will still be on the ballot. I respect your choice and support you. You've chosen family first, and it's the bold and correct choice. Well done!
in response to eaglepalooza: Every single one of them absolutely sucks!No one from any of these programs will "be seen". Also, kids that attend these school like the MIA, are kids that are not good enough to play for REAL public schools like the NAPLES GOLDEN EAGLES! I can assure you that not one player on MIA would be a starter at Naples High. They would rather play for a lame school than sit on the bench playing with and against REAL competition.
in response to eaglepalooza:
Every single one of them absolutely sucks!No one from any of these programs will "be seen". Also, kids that attend these school like the MIA, are kids that are not good enough to play for REAL public schools like the NAPLES GOLDEN EAGLES! I can assure you that not one player on MIA would be a starter at Naples High. They would rather play for a lame school than sit on the bench playing with and against REAL competition.
Eagle - What would you prefer, to play the bench or to play...and gain experience, develop your skills and be an active part of the fielded team? Don't begrudge their choice, at least they can choose to play a position on the field as opposed to the "left out" position. Give the kids a chance.
in response to MrsT: Are all these students living on Marco Island? I didn't realize there were that many kids living on Marco in that age group. It was more of a retirement community when I moved here and that's what drew me here.
in response to MrsT:
Are all these students living on Marco Island? I didn't realize there were that many kids living on Marco in that age group. It was more of a retirement community when I moved here and that's what drew me here.
Time for you & Mr.T to get out more.
Last report was near 1500 child residents here. That's substantial considering full time residents are around 13,000.
in response to Ocram: Fair and equitable have not been part of our Councilors actions for many years. What makes anyone think that they are going to change their ways now? Homeowners have been subsidizing Condos and Hotels. Do condo owners pay a lower kwh rate structure for individual units than homeowners pay? I do not know the answer to this. If they don't and I do not believe that they do then why are they paying less for water?
in response to Ocram:
Fair and equitable have not been part of our Councilors actions for many years. What makes anyone think that they are going to change their ways now?
Homeowners have been subsidizing Condos and Hotels.
Do condo owners pay a lower kwh rate structure for individual units than homeowners pay? I do not know the answer to this. If they don't and I do not believe that they do then why are they paying less for water?
Oc - Well put, we finally agree on something important. This election will give all Islanders a great opportunity to make some positive changes.
in response to Our_world_according_to_zookeeper: Marco Defender, Now it's a conspiracy? It is really a shame when someone blames everyone else for their unproductive efforts. Sometimes wisdom comes with experience. Hopefully!
in response to Our_world_according_to_zookeeper:
Marco Defender, Now it's a conspiracy?
It is really a shame when someone blames everyone else for their unproductive efforts. Sometimes wisdom comes with experience. Hopefully!
Zoo -the MIAHS is here, ergo, efforts were completely productive. But we agree, shameful behaviors remain. There's absolutely nothing wise or noble about corruptive behavior. Proof that age and wisdom do not have an equal relationship to each other.
Zoo - If you read the news, it's easy to see how prevalent it is. Now we apparently have US Secret Service agents conducting themselves in a corrupt manner. Here on Marco, it's non for profit leaders conspiring with county officials. I don't declare it, it just is. No declaration needed.
in response to Our_world_according_to_zookeeper: marcodefender. As empty an apology as could be sent ALONG WITH JUST ANOTHER MEANINGLESS RANT JUSTIFYING YOUR LACK OF FEELINGS FOR OTHER PEOPLE. Now you have your follower coming in again with his name calling and you still have nothing to say about that, as in the past. You have to live with yourself.
marcodefender.
As empty an apology as could be sent ALONG WITH JUST ANOTHER MEANINGLESS RANT JUSTIFYING YOUR LACK OF FEELINGS FOR OTHER PEOPLE. Now you have your follower coming in again with his name calling and you still have nothing to say about that, as in the past. You have to live with yourself.
Zoo - I'm good and can live with myself just fine. I have very little to complain about, here in beautiful SW Florida & MI. Of course, as with others in this blog tool, I've stated my views on this particular situation. It's a crying shame how it worked out, but what can you do. Corruption is everywhere.
in response to Our_world_according_to_zookeeper: What an example some people are making for their own schooL age children. It is ok to lie, exagerate and make claims that do not exist or cyber bully. It is ok to ignore the feelings of others. It is ok to cry over spilled milk, as though that does any good. It is ok to hurt small animals in various ways. AS LONG AS SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL DESIRES, THIS WILL CONTINUE. HOW TOTALLY SAD.
What an example some people are making for their own schooL age children. It is ok to lie, exagerate and make claims that do not exist or cyber bully. It is ok to ignore the feelings of others. It is ok to cry over spilled milk, as though that does any good. It is ok to hurt small animals in various ways.
AS LONG AS SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL DESIRES, THIS WILL CONTINUE. HOW TOTALLY SAD.
Zoo - Yes, very sad. By the way, a great description of Carl Way and Track T neighbors who support the Sanctuary. Talk about personal and selfish interest.
As for me, the extent of my personal interest is to have seen Tract K used what it was intended for, by the Mackle organization, when they donated the land to Collier Country School District. There was a plan to address the eagle protection. Funny how that was never in the news. It could have been a win-win situation.
As for cyber bullying, I don't see where the dots are connecting on this. Please, educate me. I'm expressing my opinion here, just as many others are doing. I'm open to your inputs.
in response to Northerner: MarcoDefender,Your passive-aggressive attitude is insulting as is your distortion of our words. If I, Mr. Way or Joe Schmo want to use the analogy "like losing a child" to express immense grief for the loss of something...anything, that is our right. It does not make us "harsh and inappropriate" people. It does not mean we put animals before people. Go eat your sour grapes. I'm done with you.
in response to Northerner:
MarcoDefender,Your passive-aggressive attitude is insulting as is your distortion of our words. If I, Mr. Way or Joe Schmo want to use the analogy "like losing a child" to express immense grief for the loss of something...anything, that is our right. It does not make us "harsh and inappropriate" people. It does not mean we put animals before people. Go eat your sour grapes. I'm done with you.
North - I'm not trying to insult you, and they are your words, they don't require distortion. They are poor on based on their merit. You have a viewpoint and so do I. The only think immense here is the travesty of the Sanctuary's behavior, in making a closed door deal with the school board to make Tract K a non-solution for the MIA High School (which is a public school - contrary to the content in other blog postings). That behavior and action was immense. They did whatever they had to do. It's really shameful behavior.
There we go, another example of harsh and inappropriate behavior from the same source. I'm starting to see a trend. It's concerning. I worry for our future, but hey, at least we can enjoy some eagle watching nearby. Just don't park too long near Tract K, the local residents will get angry. How interesting.
I'm sorry you're done with me. I was hoping we could have some more discussion here. I'm sure there are aspects of this whole mess that you are very unaware of, that you might find disturbing, just as I did. It's amazing what $30,000 can buy nowadays.
in response to Our_world_according_to_zookeeper: I would still trust someone who respects animal life over those who deliberately set out to hurt anyone that stands in their way. Once again the name calling and internet bullying has reared its ugly head. I sincerely hope that youngsters are not reading these blogs and taking to the same behavior since adults are doing it.
I would still trust someone who respects animal life over those who deliberately set out to hurt anyone that stands in their way.
Once again the name calling and internet bullying has reared its ugly head. I sincerely hope that youngsters are not reading these blogs and taking to the same behavior since adults are doing it.
Zoo - What name calling are you referring to? Are you still hung up on my comment from a year ago? If so, let me apologize.
I'm sorry that so many people (sanctuary supporters) behaved selfishly to eliminate a school board owned and sanctioned plot of land, intended for school use, under the guise of a bird protected zone, in an area of the state where there are thousands of square miles of bird habitat for our eagles. What a sham. You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting that facade organization. It's a good illustration of what money will buy.
So again, I'm sorry...about your poor choice in supporting wild birds, in lieu of local community student children, who represent one of the top 6% performing middle schools in the entire state of Florida. Get a clue, Zoo.
in response to 1Paradiselost: So we have a story in the paper. The story seems harmless enough; just information that may or may not be of importance to you. You either have empathy for the feelings of others, or you don’t. What a surprise that so many of you have decided that this story would be such a great launch pad for your judgmental reflections! I guess no one can express his/her opinion any more without saying something nasty about someone else. I believe they have commercials about that now, trying to teach kids not to cyber-bully. The commercial states that if you wouldn’t say it to someone’s face, then why write it?
in response to 1Paradiselost:
So we have a story in the paper. The story seems harmless enough; just information that may or may not be of importance to you. You either have empathy for the feelings of others, or you don’t. What a surprise that so many of you have decided that this story would be such a great launch pad for your judgmental reflections! I guess no one can express his/her opinion any more without saying something nasty about someone else. I believe they have commercials about that now, trying to teach kids not to cyber-bully. The commercial states that if you wouldn’t say it to someone’s face, then why write it?
Paradise - Point taken, however, my comments are directed toward Carl Way's behavior, not him. In my view, he made poor choices here, but he has a right to share them.
At the same time, so do others, even if we disagree. You can agree with me or not, you have that right. However, to allow the slant of this story to go unanswered, would not be democratic or american. I stand behind my comments on expressing my feelings on the statements in the story. His statement was harsh and inappropriate. I'm hopeful that he would consider his choice of words more carefully in the future. After all, with great power, comes great responsibility.
in response to Northerner: To Mr. Way,I'm so sorry for the loss of your child... or should I say everyones child. Please accept my heartfelt condolences. I and many others are so saddened by the loss of this beautiful babe. ...and to you MarcoDefender, you are a callous, self rightous piece of dirt!!!!Why don't you practice what you preach and teach yourself a little about humilty,discretion, freedom and respect for ALL life. How dare you sit there with your holier than thou attitude and pretend to care about the conservation of nature. If I remember correctly, you and your buddy Jane had your bulldozers warmed up and ready to destroy this beautiful sanctuary for your own personal agenda. Why don't you go crawl in a turtle hole off of San Marco rd...there are plenty of vacant ones. Oh and by the way, I have 3 children, 2 dogs, a cat.
To Mr. Way,I'm so sorry for the loss of your child... or should I say everyones child. Please accept my heartfelt condolences. I and many others are so saddened by the loss of this beautiful babe.
...and to you MarcoDefender, you are a callous, self rightous piece of dirt!!!!Why don't you practice what you preach and teach yourself a little about humilty,discretion, freedom and respect for ALL life. How dare you sit there with your holier than thou attitude and pretend to care about the conservation of nature. If I remember correctly, you and your buddy Jane had your bulldozers warmed up and ready to destroy this beautiful sanctuary for your own personal agenda. Why don't you go crawl in a turtle hole off of San Marco rd...there are plenty of vacant ones. Oh and by the way, I have 3 children, 2 dogs, a cat.
Northerner - Thanks for your input. I do care about conservation, but it starts with human rights first, animals second. Do you really feel differently? If you had to choose, wouldn't you attend to your child first, over your 2 dogs and a cat. I thought so. That's for making my point.
Your history is accurate, however, this isn't about MIA, this is about perspective and consideration for those that can do the most good for this island and community. It's not my personal agenda, it's the agenda of the school board, city and dedicated people who know that human contributions can far exceed that of local animal life.
Again, thanks for your input.
in response to skulljockey: Wow, like losing a child?!?! It's a bird! Why the emotion over a bird? It's amazing to me that people can become so emotionally involved over a very insignificant animal. Where's the empathy over the species that are devoured by that bird? How do these people choose what species they will endear? All of this emotion over a bird, but these same people will defend their "right" to kill a baby human.
in response to skulljockey:
Wow, like losing a child?!?! It's a bird! Why the emotion over a bird? It's amazing to me that people can become so emotionally involved over a very insignificant animal. Where's the empathy over the species that are devoured by that bird? How do these people choose what species they will endear? All of this emotion over a bird, but these same people will defend their "right" to kill a baby human.
Jockey - Well put. Perspective is definitely necessary in this situation. Odd that this common sense view isn't that common.
This is a tragedy, no doubt. At the same time, the comment by the founder about the death of this eagle is pathetic and heartless. To equate the loss of an animal in any way, with a human being, much less a child, is harsh and grotesque. I support the efforts of conservation, but under a premise where it's acceptable to equate the life of an animal to a human child, the line must be drawn.
Respected and a strong symbol of freedom and our country, this is an eagle. Despite the tragic death, the symbolic appreciation carries on. To equate an animal to a child, a child who was born to and physically nurtured and raised by birth parents, is a world away from comparison. The supposed leader of this organization needs to get some perspective. This appears to be a pathetic attempt to sensationalize the story to aid in fundraising.
You want to do some real good in the community, create an Eagle Sanctuary Foundation Scholarship, which can be offered to promote conservancy by young students, who truly represent the future. While you do that, teach them about humility, discretion and respect for human life. Please allow Carl Way to sit in on that lesson. I would hope he may learn a thing or two.
in response to KlausStoertebeker: Fact is, great President Obama is the best political President for America and the American people since great President William Jefferson Clinton. America needs a President with dignity and integrity. A President delivering more answers than questions. No one of the GOP candidates is so charismatic like great President Obama. America needs a President, born and race in a real American city like Chicago. A man in best tradition of the American way of life. I have nothing against Mormons. But I am never agree with a President living on the reductions of the poorest American. And I do not like a fanatic Jesus candidate with no ideas, no goals and no visions except a Gloria to a non existent American past. Gone thanks Mr. W! BUSH. Face the reality Americans. Great President Obama is the best opportunity America has. I understand that Grand Wizard Rolo-ko-as likes a character like George Wallace or Adolf Hitler. I do not. I bet everybody, the next President is the sitting President. He is the best.
in response to KlausStoertebeker:
Fact is, great President Obama is the best political President for America and the American people since great President William Jefferson Clinton. America needs a President with dignity and integrity. A President delivering more answers than questions. No one of the GOP candidates is so charismatic like great President Obama. America needs a President, born and race in a real American city like Chicago. A man in best tradition of the American way of life. I have nothing against Mormons. But I am never agree with a President living on the reductions of the poorest American. And I do not like a fanatic Jesus candidate with no ideas, no goals and no visions except a Gloria to a non existent American past. Gone thanks Mr. W! BUSH. Face the reality Americans. Great President Obama is the best opportunity America has. I understand that Grand Wizard Rolo-ko-as likes a character like George Wallace or Adolf Hitler. I do not. I bet everybody, the next President is the sitting President. He is the best.
Stoerte - At first I thought you were kidding, but now it appears you're pretty serious.
Do you not recall that Clinton was impeached while in office, for perjury. You're right, America does need a president with dignity and integrity, but by the record of facts, it's certainly not Clinton or any recent Democrat.
We through with democratic opportunity, it's only getting us in more debt. Pretty soon we'll be in the same situation as Greece, is that really what you want? No I'm not telling you that Republicans are the answer, but they are much better than the current problem, called Obama and a democratic senate.
Please, breathe for minute and put the kool-aid cup down.
In the meantime, live it up, only a 9 more months until Hope & Change take a trip back to Kenya.
This is a surprise, but understandable considering the high level of performance and rating of this school.
What I wonder is, why the preference doesn't exist for students who live on marco island ( a few miles from the school), as opposed to non-Marco Island kids. Surely it doesn't seem logical to have a lottery and have N. Naples students here, while a student living across the street from the school, doesn't get chosen in the lottery, and must then have to go off island everyday for schooling. Anyone else agree?
Anyone know why preference doesn't extend beyond just school board and employees?
in response to eaglepalooza: Who are you to say this school is top rated? Just because they score well on a test means nothing. The teachers they employ are far from world class. The athletic programs are lame. The facilities are pathetic. This is not world class. This is LOW CLASS! Those poor kids are being forced to attend by their lame parents. 99 percent of the middle school kids dont want to attend and will not. Stop making something out of nothing!
Who are you to say this school is top rated? Just because they score well on a test means nothing. The teachers they employ are far from world class. The athletic programs are lame. The facilities are pathetic. This is not world class. This is LOW CLASS! Those poor kids are being forced to attend by their lame parents. 99 percent of the middle school kids dont want to attend and will not. Stop making something out of nothing!
Palooza - The charter middle school is top rated, and it's because of the student's performance. Those students will soon populate the Marco Island Academy, hence, the top rating will likely continue. If students choose to go to Lely, that's fine, they have that choice.
If there are aspects you consider lame, it's probably fair since the school is brand new, not everything is great on day one, as you know. Give it a chance, there are so many great things in progress there.
By the way, a substantial portion of MICMS students chose to school at MIA, so again your facts are inaccurate.
Keep at it, you'll eventual get it right.
in response to eaglepalooza: Can any of these people spell J-O-K-E?How much will they be expanding to? 100?This school has violated all rules regarding the formation of a charter...her first comment was that they can operate if there is a "need"...that has NEVER been established unless you count being too lazy to drive over the Jolly Bridge!
Can any of these people spell J-O-K-E?How much will they be expanding to? 100?This school has violated all rules regarding the formation of a charter...her first comment was that they can operate if there is a "need"...that has NEVER been established unless you count being too lazy to drive over the Jolly Bridge!
Palooza - This school's charter was approved by a school board that did all they could to stop it, so there's no possible way they violated anything, or they wouldn't exist. Your conclusion is false.
As for need, how do you explain the consistent growth of the Charter Middle School? It's ranked in the top 6% of the state, by the way, and there's so much demand to attend that they will likely have a lottery for acceptance this coming year. Yes, filled beyond capacity is the expectation. By the way, those students, Marco Island residents, would like to continue their studies in their community, and so would we, their parents. What's the point of driving an hour everyday to a sub-rated high school when they can be near home, near their families who are involved in their academic success, with a school that will continue the top rated education they have access to on this island. It's easy math.
I'm guessing you don't have school aged children that reside with you and grow up in this city. Wow, that's shocking. So, get the facts before you make quick judgements on a subject you know very little about. Let's keep our kids on island, let's keep our tax dollars on island, and let's see the continued strong academic performance the kids on this island continue to demonstrate. Do I need to educate you on the fact that the Charter Middle School is ONLY middle school in the entire Collier District to be A rated. The only one. Seems to me they are doing some great work there. By the way, those Charter Middle School students will move to the high school level, into the Marco Island Academy, if they so choose. Just give it a few years, it will be top rated as well.
Thanks.
in response to marcofriend: Gee,somehow the "Phase II" was missed by a lot of people at the property owners meeting last week. It seemed that there would be nothing more than a 1 story building period, and that was only being looked at for feasablility as our City Council has never said we were doing anything. Where will the funding come from? Why is everyone in the City afraid to put this up for a referendum? If they are comfortable that the people all want this at this time, then put it out there and the people will vote for it. Perhaps they are a little nervous with all the opposition along with the huge majority voting against this in the MICA survey.
in response to marcofriend:
Gee,somehow the "Phase II" was missed by a lot of people at the property owners meeting last week. It seemed that there would be nothing more than a 1 story building period, and that was only being looked at for feasablility as our City Council has never said we were doing anything. Where will the funding come from? Why is everyone in the City afraid to put this up for a referendum? If they are comfortable that the people all want this at this time, then put it out there and the people will vote for it. Perhaps they are a little nervous with all the opposition along with the huge majority voting against this in the MICA survey.
Marcofriend - It's a leaseback, so there's no cost of capital, just cost of usage. I suspect with the increased usage and revenue programs the center offers, it will cover a good portion of that lease cost on a monthly / annual basis.
As for referendum, I'm pleased that it's not decided in this method. The children on this island are the biggest users of the parks facilities here. Obviously, they benefit from a city with a premier park program like we have here, however, they are not able to voice their opinions as citizens for obvious reasons. To under-represent them would not be democratic.
I wouldn't call the opposition a huge majority, but the vocal minority. I would personally like to be more involved and vocal on these issues, but I'm not retired, therefore have far less time to dedicate on such important aspects of island life.
So, if I understand your point of view, you're against the center because of cost, is that correct? Are there other reasons? Please share, I think this subject deserves more discussion on a citizen level. Thank you.
Where is the police report on this crime?
in response to Lafarge: I am pleased that you read the article. There are multitudes of excuses that you can come up with regarding the YMCA, Tract K, San Marco, enrollment and funding as to why none have worked out as per your outright claims or projections. A simple quote could possibly sum all of this up for you. "An enterprise which is built upon the foundation of (misinformation), ego and greed shall not stand the test of time." In a year or so we will all be able to determine, as per what I perceive, the worth of your misguided efforts.
in response to Lafarge:
I am pleased that you read the article. There are multitudes of excuses that you can come up with regarding the YMCA, Tract K, San Marco, enrollment and funding as to why none have worked out as per your outright claims or projections.
A simple quote could possibly sum all of this up for you.
"An enterprise which is built upon the foundation of (misinformation), ego and greed shall not stand the test of time."
In a year or so we will all be able to determine, as per what I perceive, the worth of your misguided efforts.
Lafa - Thanks. I feel confident in writing that you are probably not the target audience, or parent of the target audience for the MIA HS. Considering, what information you have or don't have, just isn't applicable.
All the detractors can keep complaining about the same thing (false information, Oc and the others) while the smart and focused people get the real work done, and bring another education choice to island students. Pretty typically, nothing to do but pick on people who actually want some great things to happen in our community.
Yes, let's meet back, every year for the next few, and we can toast to your poor forecasting on the success of MIAHS here on Marco.
in response to Lafarge: Dubrovnik perhaps those who still believe the words of the proponents regarding Charter School ratings should read this recent article from Miami. It is quite enlightening. I guess their fundraiser there did not get much in way of donations or we would have heard the boasts. This article was around the time of the fundraiser. http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/07/05/...
Dubrovnik perhaps those who still believe the words of the proponents regarding Charter School ratings should read this recent article from Miami. It is quite enlightening. I guess their fundraiser there did not get much in way of donations or we would have heard the boasts. This article was around the time of the fundraiser.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/07/05/...
Lafarge - Good article, thank you for sharing.
I suppose the article would be more applicable if the MIAHS was a for-profit organization, but it's not, so despite the commonality of having a state charter, we're not talking apples to apples here.
As a whole, I do agree that for-profit charters are a huge step in the wrong direction. Thankfully, the MIA Charter HS, is a not-for-profit institution, and appears a good portion of funds for the school are from non-public funds (ie. donations, corporate contributions and other sponsorships). In fact, part of the reason they don't yet have a permanent location and building is because that can NOT be provided by public funds. Considering, it's doing and will do, far more, with far less. Not to mention, it's a non-union school, which is another cost effective aspect of the school.
In all, a lot of positive and financially favorable aspects are at work here. Not too bad for a brand new program.
in response to Is_It_True_Partially_True_Or_Not_True: MarcoDefender you are not part of the problem, you are the problem. The problem of promises that were not filled, the problem of destructive, careless, behavior towards your neighbors, the problem of not having a third of the enrollment that you or your leader projected, the problem of an inadequate teaching staff, the problem bullying all those who disagree with you, the problem of labeling the Marco Island Seniors in a derogatory manner and the problem of using public funds for a private school. Should I continue???
in response to Is_It_True_Partially_True_Or_Not_True:
MarcoDefender you are not part of the problem, you are the problem. The problem of promises that were not filled, the problem of destructive, careless, behavior towards your neighbors, the problem of not having a third of the enrollment that you or your leader projected, the problem of an inadequate teaching staff, the problem bullying all those who disagree with you, the problem of labeling the Marco Island Seniors in a derogatory manner and the problem of using public funds for a private school. Should I continue???
Dub - No need to continue, the school will open and your input is moot.
Bottom line, I have no issue with any demographic, but do take issue with those who feel this is the wrong direction. Where there's a will, there's a way, and Jane Watt and all the leadership at MIA have found it.
Just be patient, all good things take time, and a top tier HS program is no different. You didn't get so awesome overnight yourself, so just be patient, the right things will happen. Mark my words. A few years from now, it will be an exemplary program. Just watch...and don't hesitate to keep your negative inputs to yourself. Surely these kids don't need it. I know I don't need it. Thank you.
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Dub - Nice diplomatic and productive contribution to the discussion.
You're not part of the solution, so quit being part of the problem.
Capt - Universal support isn't likely, or really needed, however, if the schooling demand trend continues, the interest and capacity for a successful and top rated program won't be far off. It's been shown in countless situations that leaders and supporters with undying energy, skill, financial support and innovation, offer better opportunities for the kids to learn and contribute to their education with far more value. I have no doubt that MIAHS will be a large success.
Great job MIA and all those pioneering smart people who recognize that the path must be created, and that spears will be thrown. I know you do this so the children traveling behind us on the path, will travel faster, smarter, safer, with better preparation for the future. Well done!
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Eye - Typical distortion.
I wrote that if you don't support the island, and the need for good students to continue their education to the high school level in their community, then keep your negative energy to yourself.
You're right, I am focused, and the focus is seeing the MIA HS be given a fair and impartial opportunity to do what it can do best.
The only cramming I wish to do is set the record straight to Oc and company. Somebody has to stand up to that negative attitude.
Eye - Nice interpretation. If you and Oc can decide via blog how unlawful these HS supporters are, then I think I'm entitled to a little opinion that supporters of the island's future are better suited to be on this island.
People don't need to care about me, but they do need some fair and reasonable perspective, or at least a sensible view of perspective about this school. They surely won't that from you or Oc.
If you want to stay, I'm OK with it. At least both of us can have a reasonable dialogue on this subject. Oc seems a little set in her ways.
in response to Ocram: Marco Defender, It is not up to YOU or any of us to decide if a Cross should be in the school. What goes on at other religious institutions is not the issue so why, once again, cloud up the issue with such nonsense? The other institutions are not housing a public high school. It is the law, so follow it instead of your constant attempts to circumvent both the law and the personal considerations of our community, which were just fine before this whole issue came up. You never had sight of this community as a whole-you only considered your own personal agenda. So once again stop calling anyone else the problem because quite frankly you and your constant output of misinformation has been the "problem" since the beginning of your venture. If you really wanted what the community wanted you would have gone for a referendum right from the start, not trying to maneuver and skirt that issue with any and all attempts to avoid it. Now you consider yourself as making the community a better place. Sorry, you blew that possibility out of the water a long time ago with your inconsiderate actions relating to Tract K and the neighbors of that property and the way you "used" the Y. Now you want to break the law, how endearing that is for us who totally disagree with that. In addition what a great first lesson for the kids, if you don't get what you like just break the law, it doesn't matter as long as you get your way. How stupid do you think people are? I want to leave you with this final comment, for now, it is not that we do not want a high school on this island, it is we do not want a high school with you or anyone who agrees with you in any form of leadership or that has anything to do with an honest education for the next generation. Now take that to the bank.
Marco Defender,
It is not up to YOU or any of us to decide if a Cross should be in the school. What goes on at other religious institutions is not the issue so why, once again, cloud up the issue with such nonsense? The other institutions are not housing a public high school.
It is the law, so follow it instead of your constant attempts to circumvent both the law and the personal considerations of our community, which were just fine before this whole issue came up.
You never had sight of this community as a whole-you only considered your own personal agenda. So once again stop calling anyone else the problem because quite frankly you and your constant output of misinformation has been the "problem" since the beginning of your venture.
If you really wanted what the community wanted you would have gone for a referendum right from the start, not trying to maneuver and skirt that issue with any and all attempts to avoid it.
Now you consider yourself as making the community a better place. Sorry, you blew that possibility out of the water a long time ago with your inconsiderate actions relating to Tract K and the neighbors of that property and the way you "used" the Y.
Now you want to break the law, how endearing that is for us who totally disagree with that. In addition what a great first lesson for the kids, if you don't get what you like just break the law, it doesn't matter as long as you get your way. How stupid do you think people are?
I want to leave you with this final comment, for now, it is not that we do not want a high school on this island, it is we do not want a high school with you or anyone who agrees with you in any form of leadership or that has anything to do with an honest education for the next generation.
Now take that to the bank.
Oc - You're right, it's not up to you, so leave it up to the parents of those high school students to decide. If they can handle seeing a cross, whether driving down San Marco, or passing a doorway on the way to their high school classes, it is not for you to decide. Just as you so appropriately pointed out.
I think you need some additional education about the law on this subject. You may have an idealist perspective, but when it comes to application of what's allowed under the law, you're far from correct.
Yes, let's not cloud the situation. The objective is to have a high school in the community. It's about the community, my high school years are long over, it's not about me, despite your view that my motives are purely selfish. I know a lot of kids on this island, and they deserve better that to spend an hour on bus each way, each day, for a questionable educational performance that Lely offers. There are schools here on Marco from K through 8th grade, there's no reason it shouldn't continue.
Again, Tract K is history, let's focus on what's important, which are the remaining challenges to make this program the best it can be.
I would encourage you to come around and leave the dark side behind, and support a brighter future for the kids in your community. They are the future, and they need some positive energy, encouragement and support. They DO NOT NEED your negative, conspiracy-laden, I'm angry at this town type attitude because there's going to be a HS here. Please, get on board with the program, or keep it to yourself.
in response to Ocram: Absolutely correct Islandeye, They brought out the troops, Fossil, MarcoDefender, Marco97.........and now coming in from the rear of the pack, could it be, their very own, Klabzilatroll.
Absolutely correct Islandeye,
They brought out the troops, Fossil, MarcoDefender, Marco97.........and now coming in from the rear of the pack, could it be, their very own, Klabzilatroll.
Oc / Eye - You guys need to ratchet things down here.
Despite your odd attempts to drum up some conspiracy, let's not lose sight that this is a grassroots effort to give the kids on this island a chance to have a continuing education opportunity in their community at the HS level. This is not a brainwash attempt to indoctrinate kids into some religion, which according to you, appears to be a horrible thing.
Are you really worried about students seeing a cross while in a building, where they are safe, focused on study, and attempting to build a brighter future through education. If that's the case, what's your proposal to remove all the religious symbols on the signage that all the local churches display, as we go to the grocery store on this island, or drive down the road to the beach. Let's apply your same warped logic on that question and see how you plan to solve that little hiccup.
Again, you are not part of the solution, so please quietly choose to send your kids off island to Lely and quit your conspiracy gripes. If you want to challenge the school leadership, do it objectively, tactfully and in a forum where you might get some respect for adding to the debate while focusing on how to solve some problems around here, as opposed to make new ones.
This island is not a better place because you are here, so reconsider your typical hate position of students who wish to be educated near their homes, and the good people on this island who wish to add to the island value by creating a top tier school in this district. Nothing good can come from your contributions to this subject, so you I would encourage you to move on. Make some room for people who care about the quality of life on Marco Island, obviously you're not one of them.
in response to Ocram: Will you please lighten up with the expressions of the day like being part of the problem or part of the solution. It sounds like the "World Class" statements of last year meaningless as far as actual facts go. I would like to know how you could possibly come up with a "complete school" of any kind with the list of teachers you have. I am not saying anything about them as people but their lack of experience leaves a great deal to be desired if a High School is to get off of the ground in the first place. How about getting some science, English and math teachers or will the music or art teachers be teaching that too? I think that is allowed under Florida Education Law and it looks like that will be the case here. You have now listed another art or music teacher who recently graduated and is already being promoted by the Academy as being a mover and shaker in education. How about some classroom time before anyone can make those claims? Not really nice to say that the smart people are funneling into their community because they want to be part of the solution. (There appears to be a greater number of people who are not going that way. What happened to "choice"? Now those others are no longer smart people?) Your claim is so far fetched because you have no solution but unsubstantiated claims that have yet to be proven or to get off of the ground in the first place and how could that be a "smart move"? You see, you do not really see that you and your proponents are really part of the problem. Taking away from the public schools just to satisfy you own selfish interests. If you wanted to truly be part of the solution you would have funneled, as you call it, your efforts into making an existing public school the best it can be, for all of the students attending it not trying to make your own private school, so that your own do not have to mix with those "criminals" as one of your proponents proudly posted, with no denouncement from any other proponent, using public funds, for your limited number of students. Now you are talking about having a school years from now when you have failed to provide one in the present. Why should anyone believe those kind of claims, intelligent or not? You started over a year ago with a web site which appeared that you had an up and running Marco Island Academy that offered a "World Class Education". As time went on so did those outlandish claims. All you have now after a couple of years of energies of many good people is a enrollment no larger than three or four classes in a place that may or may not even be zoned for a public school. Maybe in a few years there will be a High School on Marco, but I hope it will be better planned and thought out, along with true public support than what you are presently attempting to offer. At that time the students and parents will be able to be proud of what they have.
Will you please lighten up with the expressions of the day like being part of the problem or part of the solution. It sounds like the "World Class" statements of last year meaningless as far as actual facts go.
I would like to know how you could possibly come up with a "complete school" of any kind with the list of teachers you have. I am not saying anything about them as people but their lack of experience leaves a great deal to be desired if a High School is to get off of the ground in the first place. How about getting some science, English and math teachers or will the music or art teachers be teaching that too? I think that is allowed under Florida Education Law and it looks like that will be the case here.
You have now listed another art or music teacher who recently graduated and is already being promoted by the Academy as being a mover and shaker in education. How about some classroom time before anyone can make those claims?
Not really nice to say that the smart people are funneling into their community because they want to be part of the solution. (There appears to be a greater number of people who are not going that way. What happened to "choice"? Now those others are no longer smart people?) Your claim is so far fetched because you have no solution but unsubstantiated claims that have yet to be proven or to get off of the ground in the first place and how could that be a "smart move"?
You see, you do not really see that you and your proponents are really part of the problem. Taking away from the public schools just to satisfy you own selfish interests. If you wanted to truly be part of the solution you would have funneled, as you call it, your efforts into making an existing public school the best it can be, for all of the students attending it not trying to make your own private school, so that your own do not have to mix with those "criminals" as one of your proponents proudly posted, with no denouncement from any other proponent, using public funds, for your limited number of students.
Now you are talking about having a school years from now when you have failed to provide one in the present. Why should anyone believe those kind of claims, intelligent or not?
You started over a year ago with a web site which appeared that you had an up and running Marco Island Academy that offered a "World Class Education". As time went on so did those outlandish claims. All you have now after a couple of years of energies of many good people is a enrollment no larger than three or four classes in a place that may or may not even be zoned for a public school.
Maybe in a few years there will be a High School on Marco, but I hope it will be better planned and thought out, along with true public support than what you are presently attempting to offer. At that time the students and parents will be able to be proud of what they have.
Oc - It's not clear to me what your problem is with the teachers, they are all experienced, certified and highly recommended. Share some details on your issues.
You continually say "you". I am not the HS.
I stand by my comment, the smart people are focused on the community HS solution. Not being for the HS doesn't preclude you from the smart people, but does show that you're committed to the community, and that's all good. All will be proven in time. As I've written, be patient.
MIA HS is a public school, so we are focused on the public school solution, in our neighborhood. There's nothing selfish about wanting a better result, in the community. If you're a Marco resident, you understand that. Do you really leave the island for everything you need on a daily basis, or you do you buy groceries, go to all your restaurants, buy your gas here, on Marco? It's no different. Kids need to be at school in their community. They get that the first 8 years of their student life, there's no reason why that shouldn't continue for secondary school.
Put any label you'd like on it. There's a public HS on this island. It's success is just a matter of time. Let the students and families decide for themselves what's best, there's no need for you to bring your negative view on it. Again, a fact, you are not part of the solution.
Oc - As I wrote, you're not part of the solution. Quit being part of the problem and accept the inevitable. The program will start in August, a small core of great teachers and students who want an education in their community.
With the recent negative news on Collier's academic ratings, the district will need all the help it can get. I am here to tell you, MIAHS will be an A rated HS in Collier. It's a feat not easily reached by other "real" schools, as you named them.
The smart people are funneling in their community, because they want to be part of the solution. You will eventually figure this out. It may be years from now, but there will be a day where you will have to admit it was the right thing for the Island students. Mark my words, there will be a day!
in response to Ocram: Please try, for once, to be completely honest in your efforts to prove your point. For instance why are you saying that there are 111 students in 8th grade at the MICMS and then with the next breath said that there are almost 70 students enrolled, making it appear that those 70 are only from the 8th grade. Those 70 students, if there will be that many that finalize going to MIA, will be from two grade levels not one. Why are you not counting how many are available from 9th grade in your figures? How many are presently in the 9th grade to be added to your inaccurate intake rate? Is this, once again, your attempt to misrepresent the facts? Could it be that there are no 9th graders presently going to Lely who will be enrolling? If that is the case than say it. We have not knocked the families who have entrusted their children to the MIA other that they may be making a big mistake in believing all that they are being told. Your words, that there will be a jewel on Marco in years to come, may at some time come to pass, but it will not be headed up by you. Maybe it will be headed by someone who trusts the opinion of the whole community more than their own personal wants. I have another point to add to this which relates to the article above. How is it that the Academy can aquire the permission to use one Church (Baptist) for its school and at the same time having been denied by, what I believe, were deed restrictions, at the New Life Church???? Allowing something to happen and doing what is legally permissible is now an additional concern. Have you or has anybody else, for that matter, checked completely into this irregularity? Separation of Church and State can not be realistically part of your curriculum being that the Baptist Church will have its own religious icons prominately exposed for students of different religious backgrouds to be exposed to on a daily basis. Why are you so indifferent to their needs?
Please try, for once, to be completely honest in your efforts to prove your point. For instance why are you saying that there are 111 students in 8th grade at the MICMS and then with the next breath said that there are almost 70 students enrolled, making it appear that those 70 are only from the 8th grade. Those 70 students, if there will be that many that finalize going to MIA, will be from two grade levels not one. Why are you not counting how many are available from 9th grade in your figures? How many are presently in the 9th grade to be added to your inaccurate intake rate? Is this, once again, your attempt to misrepresent the facts? Could it be that there are no 9th graders presently going to Lely who will be enrolling? If that is the case than say it.
We have not knocked the families who have entrusted their children to the MIA other that they may be making a big mistake in believing all that they are being told.
Your words, that there will be a jewel on Marco in years to come, may at some time come to pass, but it will not be headed up by you.
Maybe it will be headed by someone who trusts the opinion of the whole community more than their own personal wants.
I have another point to add to this which relates to the article above. How is it that the Academy can aquire the permission to use one Church (Baptist) for its school and at the same time having been denied by, what I believe, were deed restrictions, at the New Life Church????
Allowing something to happen and doing what is legally permissible is now an additional concern.
Have you or has anybody else, for that matter, checked completely into this irregularity?
Separation of Church and State can not be realistically part of your curriculum being that the Baptist Church will have its own religious icons prominately exposed for students of different religious backgrouds to be exposed to on a daily basis. Why are you so indifferent to their needs?
Oc - Agreed, I do not know the number of 10th grade entrants for MIA, therefore, can't comment on it. Once you find out, let us all know. The point is, for a new school, 70 is a pretty good start. Obviously, you're a "glass half empty" kind of person. So be it.
As far as what we and the families are being told, you cite for me what lies have been told. Let's start dealing with specifics, instead of broad generalities. Plus, remember that each parent has to make the choices that are best for them and their family. It's not appropriate or fair that we (the public, or you) try to parent for them.
Yes, it will be a jewel, and you're correct, it will not be headed up by me. I am helping in other ways, and it's not my objective to work in the K-12 school system. I will stick with college level, it's a much better fit for me. My personal wants are to see the kids in this community get a great high school education, in this community. My own children have quite a long time before they will reach the HS level. I'm patient. I know MIA will be top tier by then.
As far as this church situation and deed restrictions, you've fallen in the trap of being a mouse. Don't chase the cheese. Find out in advance where it will be and meet it there. Deed restrictions are part of most zoned areas, it doesn't have anything to do with churches, just what occupants are allowed to have on & not have on their property. You need to brush up there Oc. Plus, that ship has sailed, New Life is out and the Baptist Church grounds are the start up location.
Church & State have been integrated into this country for a long time. Think back to your history. The US was founded on that freedom, along with many others. Those who talk about this subject believe there's a problem here, but there's not. It's one set of values helping another set of values. It's all good. The rising tide raises all boats. Start looking at the positives here, as opposed to the red herrings. It's a building, not a portable building, be happy for what is, and start becoming part of the solution. I'm focused on the education needs of our community, aren't you. Spiritual needs can be addressed at home. It's just a place to learn. Please stop thinking everything is a conspiracy, and nefarious.
There are 111 kids in the 8th grade class at MICMS. Enrollment at MIA is roughly 70. For a new school, especially at the HS level, those intake rates are pretty strong. Again, let's bring some attention to the positive. These families are entrusting a lot to this new MIA HS. Let's not knock them down. They could use your skeptical, but objective point of view. Mark my words, this will be a jewel of Marco Island in years to come. It's unfortunate there are some very selfish & negative people shouting out in this forum.
If you don't have anything nice to say...
in response to Ocram: MarcoDefender, I think I have heard all there is to hear regarding a World Class Academy or whatever it is going to be called in a few months. I am really wondering how you plan to have 65 students being taught by 6 to 8 teachers at each grade level. That means about 14 teachers for 65 students. Less than 5 students per teacher. Oh, I see it will be more like 10 teachers teaching classes of 6 to 7 students maybe like the old school houses of the 1800s where a teacher taught several levels at the same time. And by the way I will never be bitter if young people get a real education from real certified, credentialed teachers and staff. Why I am truly annoyed by is the absolute waste of energies, time, money that could have been funneled into a "real" school like Lely, not someone's hallucination and personal selfishness.
MarcoDefender,
I think I have heard all there is to hear regarding a World Class Academy or whatever it is going to be called in a few months.
I am really wondering how you plan to have 65 students being taught by 6 to 8 teachers at each grade level. That means about 14 teachers for 65 students. Less than 5 students per teacher.
Oh, I see it will be more like 10 teachers teaching classes of 6 to 7 students maybe like the old school houses of the 1800s where a teacher taught several levels at the same time.
And by the way I will never be bitter if young people get a real education from real certified, credentialed teachers and staff. Why I am truly annoyed by is the absolute waste of energies, time, money that could have been funneled into a "real" school like Lely, not someone's hallucination and personal selfishness.
Oc - Every teacher must be certified in order to instruct at the K - 12 level in Florida. So let's put that to rest. As for the numbers, the start of a new organization is always slow and challenging. Should we just abandon such endeavors because of this, or because of haters, who have nothing positive to add? Where would we be as a nation if the pioneers thought "Well, there's not to many of us here, and things will be tough the first few years, yeah, maybe we should pack up (ie. give up) and go back". Where would Marco Island be if that happened? You'd be leaving in a swamp by yourself, being miserable, as you are, and then you'd really have something to complain about.
Give the organization a chance. I think you will be pleasantly surprised in a short amount of time. You know, there were people just like you griping 10+ years ago about a new school on Marco called Marco Island Charter Middle School. Look at them now, the most exemplary school in all of the district.
You're either part of the solution, or part of the problem, please stop being part of the problem.
All great things take time. While you continue to gripe about everything you can think of, the MIA will be working smart and working hard to get an excellent program up and running. Check back in a few years when you're far more bitter and the success of the Academy is far sweeter.
Oc - Appears you have again, avoided answering the question.
This is pathetic. Prioritizing eagles over children. Why don't the other eagle nests on this island have equivalent advocacy by this organization? There's an easy and obvious answer, and it's not as noble as it appears.
in response to RayPray: Perhaps the educational revolution now brainstormed by DOCTOR Pellant will comprise transforming the Marco Apartheid Academy into a totally online High School, whose students will never suffer the indignity of leaving their bedrooms....
in response to RayPray:
Perhaps the educational revolution now brainstormed by DOCTOR Pellant will comprise transforming the Marco Apartheid Academy into a totally online High School, whose students will never suffer the indignity of leaving their bedrooms....
Ray - More destructive comments. Please, be considerate.
I find it interesting when people rip into other people who are educated and experienced. Obviously, you must have a PhD as well. Otherwise, it wouldn't seem you're really in a reasonable position to criticize.
Please, feel free to share you extended educational experience and extensive post graduate degree accomplishments. As you put it in another blog article, credentials are important.
in response to Ocram: Marco Defender, These are all the "credentials' I need. Choice---------------------------------“ The proponent's choice, not anyone else’s.” 14 miles-------------------------------“A distance which is longer for my kids to travel than for your kids to travel." World Class---------------------------“So over used and not verifiable.” (added March 2011, no longer World Class, just an "experimental" charter school) Volunteer------------------------------“Anyone who asks a question.” Community Support-----------------“Any group spoken to with or without their consent to be listed as such.” Letter of Recommendation--------- “Friends writing nice things about friends.” Infrastructure-------------------------“What infrastructure? Those costs don’t count, anyway.” Separation of Church and State----“Let’s pretend that Law does not exist.” Added 11/15/10 We could NOT succeed the first time so lets try to get our lawyers to get around this issue. Commandeer------------------------- “See Ms. Watt’s letter of recommendation: last line of paragraph 4. “……..overseeing the design of the school and commandeering her “army” of over 200 volunteers.” Note: see definition of volunteer above. 255 out of 17,000---------------------“This constitutes Community Support?”And apparantly this constitutes the Majority of the Population living on Marco in some peoples minds. (I was pointed to on March 16, 2011 by Marco Defender that I was in the Minority) Community Vote---------------------“That which you do not want to have in case it does not go your way. (added Feb. 2011, I guess we are getting that referendum, finally) Largest City in Florida without a High School of their own.......Proven to be another falsehood because there are at least 3 other Cities with higher populations in Florida without their own high School. Most of these cities also have a much higher student population than Marco has. Child Hater.....(aka Old person, with one foot in the grave} added March 2011. "Idiots", People not for the High School on Marco according to one proponant blogger. "I NEVER EVER LOSE, EVER!".....The rallying call of one very outspoken proponent posted several months ago on this Blog. TRACT K.....as of 10/15/10 Rumors have it that it is back in the running, once again. Don't let the silence regarding this issue lull you into thinking that it is not being presently discussed. (added February 2011, Taken officially out of play by the Marco Island Eagle Sanctuary and "SIGNED OFF" by the CCSB). EAGLES.....How can we find a way to have their "lease" run out? MOSQUITO SPRAY.....A necessary item to have along with books and paper. Teacher Credentials and Experience....We do not need to publish that. The public should ASSUME that we are doing the right thing. Doctorate in Education....6 weeks in school, the remainder on the internet. Field trip....Accross road to Mangroves we will go!....
These are all the "credentials' I need.
Choice---------------------------------“ The proponent's choice, not anyone else’s.”
14 miles-------------------------------“A distance which is longer for my kids to travel than for your kids to travel."
World Class---------------------------“So over used and not verifiable.” (added March 2011, no longer World Class, just an "experimental" charter school)
Volunteer------------------------------“Anyone who asks a question.”
Community Support-----------------“Any group spoken to with or without their consent to be listed as such.”
Letter of Recommendation--------- “Friends writing nice things about friends.”
Infrastructure-------------------------“What infrastructure? Those costs don’t count, anyway.”
Separation of Church and State----“Let’s pretend that Law does not exist.” Added 11/15/10 We could NOT succeed the first time so lets try to get our lawyers to get around this issue.
Commandeer------------------------- “See Ms. Watt’s letter of recommendation: last line of paragraph 4. “……..overseeing the design of the school and commandeering her “army” of over 200 volunteers.” Note: see definition of volunteer above.
255 out of 17,000---------------------“This constitutes Community Support?”And apparantly this constitutes the Majority of the Population living on Marco in some peoples minds. (I was pointed to on March 16, 2011 by Marco Defender that I was in the Minority)
Community Vote---------------------“That which you do not want to have in case it does not go your way. (added Feb. 2011, I guess we are getting that referendum, finally)
Largest City in Florida without a High School of their own.......Proven to be another falsehood because there are at least 3 other Cities with higher populations in Florida without their own high School. Most of these cities also have a much higher student population than Marco has.
Child Hater.....(aka Old person, with one foot in the grave} added March 2011. "Idiots", People not for the High School on Marco according to one proponant blogger.
"I NEVER EVER LOSE, EVER!".....The rallying call of one very outspoken proponent posted several months ago on this Blog.
TRACT K.....as of 10/15/10 Rumors have it that it is back in the running, once again. Don't let the silence regarding this issue lull you into thinking that it is not being presently discussed. (added February 2011, Taken officially out of play by the Marco Island Eagle Sanctuary and "SIGNED OFF" by the CCSB).
EAGLES.....How can we find a way to have their "lease" run out?
MOSQUITO SPRAY.....A necessary item to have along with books and paper.
Teacher Credentials and Experience....We do not need to publish that. The public should ASSUME that we are doing the right thing.
Doctorate in Education....6 weeks in school, the remainder on the internet.
Field trip....Accross road to Mangroves we will go!....
Oc - Bottom line, there's no need for community approval for a school that is compulsory in the state of Florida. HS age kids must go to school, by law. Hell, it's the reason that Charter Law exists here. If there's community demand, and funding supports it, you can sign up with the local school district and satisfy all their requirements (along with some silly monkey drills) and earn a charter contract. MIA HS just did this. That's fact.
If think it will fail, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. It's very unlikely, but if you can sleep better with this thought, that's fine. Whatever floats your boat.
All your other bullet points are moot, especially all the volunteer comments. That's history, get over it.
MI has a high school, you people against it will come to accept it. You don't have to like it, but it will have students starting in August and only expected to get better each year. If you struggle with this, I would recommend counseling or chemical therapy. You choose what suits you best.
Good luck with that.
in response to Ocram: Marco Defender, Once again you do not answer the questions people ask. Just spin something that contributes absolutely nothing, information wise, to the public. Why did you say that other people are weak minded? It was not mentioned in the questions being asked. Is that something akin to them also being called idiots, recently? All it shows is your animosity of others who do not agree with you. What does a birth certificate from Hawaii have to do with any of this?
Once again you do not answer the questions people ask. Just spin something that contributes absolutely nothing, information wise, to the public.
Why did you say that other people are weak minded? It was not mentioned in the questions being asked. Is that something akin to them also being called idiots, recently? All it shows is your animosity of others who do not agree with you.
What does a birth certificate from Hawaii have to do with any of this?
Oc - If there were actually reasonably considered questions, it would be worthwhile to respond. Yes, I suppose the truth is that I do have animosity for bloggers who clearly are against the program, but offer no value with their blog contributions. The labels used are earned, but not because I brought attention to that fact. All these attacks about questioning the figures, questioning the credentials, etc. Your written contributions make it appear that you don't believe anything written about the MIA HS. That's not constructive input, it's destructive. Go verify what is questionable in your mind and then we can have an objective debate about it.
I'll do a better job of refraining from the poorly shared labels of some. I agree, it's not really ideal.
So, speaking of open questions. Can you share your credentials now? Verifiable please.
I'm sorry the Hawaii thing went over your head. Just a poor attempt to link some political humor in the mix.
Island - Fundraising is not my concern, raising awareness with facts and objective input to the limited minded is my concern. So, no, in response to your question.
in response to MarcoTrojan: Marco Defender, I disagree with the boards decision as well, I myself will be earning 31 or more credits by the end of my senior year. I do however oppose the singling out of Lely that Ms. Herzili seems to so proudly perform. Some of my anger also comes from her previous posts were she labels an entire school by an FCAT grade. You are absolutely right, it does come down to the person, not some standardized test. People have gone to Lely and been accepted into some of the greatest universities in the world, and there is absolutly nothing wrong with the education presented there. The status quo I wish to challenge here is the wrongful bad reputation of my school.
in response to MarcoTrojan:
Marco Defender, I disagree with the boards decision as well, I myself will be earning 31 or more credits by the end of my senior year. I do however oppose the singling out of Lely that Ms. Herzili seems to so proudly perform. Some of my anger also comes from her previous posts were she labels an entire school by an FCAT grade. You are absolutely right, it does come down to the person, not some standardized test. People have gone to Lely and been accepted into some of the greatest universities in the world, and there is absolutly nothing wrong with the education presented there. The status quo I wish to challenge here is the wrongful bad reputation of my school.
Trojan - Well put. I agree with you and understand. For students who are engaged and perform well, they will be successful no matter school they go to. I suspect you fall well into that category. For the large majority however, the extra help and guidance during critical high school years will make or break their future, with college and subsequent professional and career options. That's really where the labeling and single grade factor play a more important role. If you're an average student in an average school, odds are against your future success potential. If you're average in a high quality school (by grade rating), I think the opportunities to be successful are considerably greater. That's conclusion is based on my own personal experience, as well as others in a similar situation to my own.
Thanks for your inputs to the forum. I agree that all opinions are valuable here, particularly when they are constructive and based on experience and vetted results. Your experience surely qualifies.
Good luck to you, keep working smart and surpass the expectation. There's no doubt you will do well.
in response to MarcoTrojan: Marrianne, please explain, I don't believe my "C rated education" has enabled me to comprehend your bigoted statement.
Marrianne, please explain, I don't believe my "C rated education" has enabled me to comprehend your bigoted statement.
Trojan - This is not a rip on you, it's a rip on the leadership (lack of) at the higher level. Unfortunately, their decision degrades the value of your Lely diploma, so I would hope you would be a little angry about this too.
It appears you're pretty active with all the Lely / MIA HS discussion. That's good. It's all about the person, what you do with your education and how you make positive contributions to the people and community around you, so please don't think you are being singled out negatively as a pro-Trojan. You should be proud. But be proud and diligent, so don't be afraid to question the status quo and challenge these people to perform better.
Nice. Not enough graduating HS students. I know, let's lower the bar and let them graduate with less. Not just less credit, but less preparation, less skill, less knowledge and less prepared for the real world. Who cares...our graduation rate will surely increase. What a nice benefit. It will appear like were doing a good job, when really, we expect and demand less from our non performing students. Way to set a TERRIBLE example.
Hey CCSB - here's a news flash. You expect less, you will surely get less. By the way, remediation isn't a negative factor, it's actually indicative of problems. Why don't you consider solving the problem as opposed to lowering the already low standard.
More proof of a leadership vacuum at the school board. They all say that want to raise the hours, but they don't vote it that way. Learning to be little politicians I think. Boy, that's scary.
in response to RayPray: From the Gunga Jane Potemkin High School web site: "Mr. Pellant will have his Doctorate in Education with Minnesota licensures as a Superintendent, Principal, Director of Special Education, Coach, and Teacher. These credentials have prepared him for the knowledge and abilities needed to be successful at Marco Island Academy." Notice the mangled verb tense obfuscation from "will have" and "have prepared him" from this "world class" establishment? From: Lakes Inter http://www.lakesinternational.org/abo... "Sr. Chris Pellant...is finished with his Doctorate in Education (all but dissertation) from St. Mary's University in Minneapolis, Minnesota." How can this doctorate be finished without the thesis being submitted? Is this thesis written yet? It is nowhere online. Will it be submitted, challenged, and defended? Defended physically? Metaphysically? Submitted, as is today customary for attribution check, to Turnitin.com? When then is 'Mr.' Pellant expected to metamorphose into 'Dr.' Pellant?
From the Gunga Jane Potemkin High School web site:
"Mr. Pellant will have his Doctorate in Education with Minnesota licensures as a Superintendent, Principal, Director of Special Education, Coach, and Teacher. These credentials have prepared him for the knowledge and abilities needed to be successful at Marco Island Academy."
Notice the mangled verb tense obfuscation from "will have" and "have prepared him" from this "world class" establishment?
From: Lakes Inter
http://www.lakesinternational.org/abo...
"Sr. Chris Pellant...is finished with his Doctorate in Education (all but dissertation) from St. Mary's University in Minneapolis, Minnesota."
How can this doctorate be finished without the thesis being submitted?
Is this thesis written yet? It is nowhere online.
Will it be submitted, challenged, and defended?
Defended physically? Metaphysically?
Submitted, as is today customary for attribution check, to Turnitin.com?
When then is 'Mr.' Pellant expected to metamorphose into 'Dr.' Pellant?
RayPray - Wow, it looks like you discovered it. Obviously, this whole thing is a plot to confuse the weak minded. Appears like you foiled it.
Then again, your entire posting is full of questions. I take it back, you definitely are confused.
If you dig deeper, you might even find out he has a non original birth certificate from Hawaii. What a conspiracy.
Clearly you're against the school, so why do you care about the principal? You guys need to get a real hobby and enjoy life a little. HINT - Focus on family, you can't go wrong.
in response to Ocram: MarcoDefender, What absolute audacity you have to question my qualifications and credentials if what Ray Pray said is true. You appear to have hired a person to be principal with no "high school experience" and a doctoral degree work from nothing more than an an "ON LINE DEGREE SCHOOL? Is this what you consider, top notch, qualifications anc credentials for your "World Class Academy"? Is this the person that will be leading our student's programs in passing FCATs and SATs? No wonder it took you so long to come up with an answer/excuse about what the experiences and credentials of those 9 teacher finalists, I had asked about a month ago. Where do their degrees come from? What will their experiences be in? It took you days to post the principal's credentials. Did the CCSB have nothing to say about that? Why is it, truly, taking so long for the credentials of the teacher's to be posted? The parents need to know all of the facts, not just those you deem fit to publish, in order to make a educated decision.
What absolute audacity you have to question my qualifications and credentials if what Ray Pray said is true.
You appear to have hired a person to be principal with no "high school experience" and a doctoral degree work from nothing more than an an "ON LINE DEGREE SCHOOL?
Is this what you consider, top notch, qualifications anc credentials for your "World Class Academy"?
Is this the person that will be leading our student's programs in passing FCATs and SATs?
No wonder it took you so long to come up with an answer/excuse about what the experiences and credentials of those 9 teacher finalists, I had asked about a month ago. Where do their degrees come from? What will their experiences be in?
It took you days to post the principal's credentials. Did the CCSB have nothing to say about that? Why is it, truly, taking so long for the credentials of the teacher's to be posted?
The parents need to know all of the facts, not just those you deem fit to publish, in order to make a educated decision.
Ocram - I told you before, to ensure progress, audacity is a must and beneficial in these controversial times. Yes, I do question your credentials, which you haven't yet shared. Why am I not surprised.
Surely, it's not wise to put too much weight on RayPray's input. It's a clear indication that you both need to get your facts right.
We live in a digital world, your participation in this forum is strong proof of that. Don't enjoy and benefit from the immediacy of global access and communication and then question it's use as a modern and effective learning medium. Would you rather mail in your inputs to these stories via USPS?
Just like your blog name, you got it all backwards again.
Get with the program people. With that news story, Collier School District has officially signed off on the MIA HS, and it's here...to stay. Time to get on board with the benefits or keep your minority opinions to yourself.
If you want justification of the staff, get to work and find out. Don't stand around and cry that officials from MIA haven't responded to your lame blog calls for validation. They surely aren't reading nor care to read your lacking point of view.
Looks like you will have to accept defeat on this one. MIA HS is officially as CCSD school. And, get ready for some strong performance over the next few years. You might consider moving down the road to Everglades City, you might feel more at home there.
in response to Ocram: M.H. Just seperating the facts from the fluff. Honesty and transparency for all to see, even if some of you do not like it.
M.H.
Just seperating the facts from the fluff.
Honesty and transparency for all to see, even if some of you do not like it.
Oc - Is that what you're doing? I don't think you're qualified. If you think you are, post your verifiable credentials please.
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