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The real answer would have been for Marco Island and the Isles of Capri to both be covered by the county with Fire and EMS but that makes to much sense. The location would be good for both and the county and the firefighters could keep jobs.
Marco Island wants to stand alone with ladder trucks and fire boats all on the back of the taxpayer. A missed deal at best could have been had by both communities. Same with the law Enforcement revert to Collier County Sheriff for the Isles and Marco Island and get rid of MIPD.
Correct me if I am wrong, but during his time was the SOH tax break developed?
26, In the City of Marco Island never. Larry, if you are telling us the facts on this blog, then what were the alledged Code Infractions? I think we would all like to know.
It is easy to guess when it is not your money.
August, settle down have a dew. Just wanted to know if the new boat was used and do not need you in the question unless you know the answer which I doubt you would know anything.
I agree, totally.
Excellent, I agree! The challenge is how do we fix it?
Was this the "New Fire Boat" in action?
Hascle, As a City Marco Island can fight any purposed development. If the Deltona Deed Restrictions do not allow the expansion then thats it over. What is there to be so scared about?
The documents speak the rules plain and simple.
Liberator100 What year were you born on Marco Island. Did you grow up with Deltona? In a Deltona home? This crap of "living on the island" is just that "crap". Zealots and mush-brains along with blinders on all have a say if they hold two little things.
A Deed and a Tax bill. Case closed.
Czar227 Agree, totally.
Profzed, First of all you not need to say that you have no say. If you own on Marco Island you have say. It does not matter if you currently live there or not. I do not and I believe I have every right as the next person.
I believe your comments are correct on the Mariott as if they do not meet the Deed Restrictions then they should be denied as I do not care how much money or influence they carry fair is fair.
Furthermore, why do we need to let this place become the tourist trap some want it to become. Keep it up prof, your comments are welcome. You have the right to them.
This is the big test case. MICA is not perfect I agree. However they are currently what we have left from Deltona, and I feel if the Putt-Putt is built against the Deed Restrictions tear it down.
A very smart Judge once told me "Cases are won or lost by the documents on which they are argued on" So if the the Deed Restrictions state no approval, the courts will say tear it down.
This again is a test case for a much larger agenda than putt-putt.
How about the Water Plant purchase? How about the Fire Boat?
Again,We all have high opinions for Mr.Savage and his dedication to Marco Island, Deltona Corp and the Mackle Brothers.
Mr.Savage, With all due respect I believe this is not about the Putt-Putt but rather following the rules about Zoning, Building and Construction.
Yourself being a prominent Artichect on Marco Island since the beginning would be the first person to know this. The course may be just fine but if the rules are changed the next project may not be fine but the rule change will give the green light as the precedence will the be set by the Putt-Putt. This is where the danger lies.
So, please do not be fooled as this is not just about the course. It would be as if the island that you help created was to totally change if the rules are "flexed" or "ammended" to allow the course. This is like the "wolf in sheeps clothing"
Please apply your vast knowledge as I know you know what is right here.
Also, I do not agree with MICA and the parking lot. I think as owners we are due a place to park as I would be willing to support maintence but the fees keep on rising. Those who live here full time act as if you are an outsider with those parking lots. Those lots should be available to the "owners of property on Marco Island" as I am shure that was a selling point from Deltona to be able to park at the beach. This I support as wrong and needs to change.
Again, I believe that the Deed Restrictions are the safe haven for the Residents. They must stand and stand strong. Otherwise the Deltona Zone will be in trouble.
What I question if this guy Kramer was involved with MICA I see this as a venue either to grind an ax or to set a precendent in the courts. We shall see.
Talk about getting rid of MICA. Why do we not get rid of the code board?
Per the article above one can post a "no trespassing" sign and they are not allowed on your property. That is top of my list to do.
26years, that might be the scarecrow in the field to keep the vultures out.
Keep it good in the Deltona Zone.
Tell them to come to "my older home" and see what kind of listing they would get. Mine will be the last standing in the "Deltona Zone" as a dear friend of mine calls it.
Marcobob. Do you not think that if the Deed Restrictions were dropped that the island would run crazy with development?
Klaus, as a man that has owned here for 40 years I agree that the development you see may have been one sided. I believe that "any and all" projects should be treated the same. All the same rules and regulations need to apply be it a Putt-Putt or a hotel or ampa theater. The rule book should not respond to the size of the checkbook. But please do not push for development on the island as you might not like the results. I live in once was a nice farm town. Development came and ruined the quality of life from what it was. The people who made the big money left and moved on to the next circus to repeat the same thing.The people left behind are the ones who suffer.
People this is just a test to see if the island can be changed. It is not about the golf course it is about the "bigger picture" of commercial and residential future re-development.
Mr.Ciolino I would agree that parking on the beach would have been nice if it was designated for the residents of Marco Island with some for visitors. I find it hard to believe that Deltona would have given up prime Collier Blvd. property for parking. The issue at hand is a power struggle against those who believe that Deltona's Deed Restrictions are outdated and need to go. The other side the MICA supporters want the island to remain with the origional Deltona theme thus holding back on development/re-development. The golf course is just the "tool" being used for the challenge.
I am not a MICA supporter but I do believe that the island needs to be protected as there are those who would bulldoze it in a minute for profit. So some "neutral" party needs to oversee the Deed Restrictions and apply them with common sense not profit.
This issue is more than about the Mini-golf it is about the future of Marco Island from Zoning,Building and the Deed Restrictions. If some would have their way the Deed Restrictions would be gone and the free for all will begin.
Mr. Herb Savage As I am sure you are aware many folks including myself hold you in great respect for your devotion to Marco Island through the Deltona Corporation. After studying the history of Deltona, Marco Island and the Mackle Brothers and the facts that are presented at the Historical Museum one can conclude that the island was not geared for the "young families" but more towards a second home or home to retire to. I would have to differ with your position on the Mini-golf as a prominent Architect on Marco Island both present and past you of all people know the rules and regulations set by Deltona need to apply to all projects.
To say the Deed Restrictions need not to be part of the process superseeds all of what Deltona was about. Would Frank Mackle allow a carnival in the middle of the island? A race track? Gambling Casino? Adult entertainment? I believe not and that is why Deltona left the Deed Restrictions. Now, I agree MICA may not be the right entinty to control the restrictions. That is a seperate issue, but they still need to remain and to be applied.
I have great respect for yourself, Deltona, and the Mackle Brothers for creating this wonderfull paradise but please do not let me lose your respect by not standing by the very heart of Marco Island that being the wishes of Deltona Corporation via the Deed Restrictions.
August "fibber" Here is the question: "State the type of property which YOU OWN on Marco Island"
It is just that simple.
I agree, Benjaron you have it right. If this is allowed and MICA was to lose this would clear the way for the "remake" of Marco Island which would be bad for most.
August,Reporting in. Blood pressure good. All good in the Deltona Zone. Still waiting for that answer from you. No guts no truth? I forgot, Country Boy Fibber. Mountain Dew Slurpee, Skoal and a gun rack. Yee haaa...
Augustfool I am sure your view is great when you are on watch rounds at one of the high rises. You still did not disclose what property "you" own on Marco Island. Who may be the "fib'ing fool" as you call me.
If not wanting to pay mooches makes me a "cheap turd" as you put and 'I have my first penny and always out to strip everyone else" I am great with that.
Next, "Deltona jobs are referred to in the 21st century as knock downs" True if you are ignorant with a small ego (and other parts) you may need a very large home to impress in your case.
Next,"Listen Northerner I am southerner" "don't tell anyone but I love Deltona Relic's as much as anyone, just not his" Now, I see the clear picture of August standing next to his tar paper shack or trailer in the south. Coming to Marco Island was like Jed Clampet loadin up the truck and moving to Marco for a Cement pond.
Like Northerner said "keep that old Deltona job going" do not worry I will. It will be the last one standing in the "Deltona Zone" as my dear friend August puts it.
PS. Remember he does not lie just "fibs" a true country boy.
Time for a slurpee August, Mountain Dew flavor. A country boys favorite.
Augustfool You must have flunked the first grade at Elementary School. Lie and fib are the same but maybee not in you world where it is not.
I am proud of my "old Deltona Job" of a home. It speaks loud of the history of Marco Island and the accomplishments of the Mackle Bros. who I find to be the symbol of Marco Island.
Me and my embarrising "old Deltona job" will be around for a long, long time as it is my symbol of being able to purchase and enjoy it.
August, I still believe you do not even live on the island. That may be your "fib"
Go get a slurpee.
Northerner, You have it right. I would be proud to be your neighbor and fellow Marco Island Resident.
Augustfool Where is the Lie? I am in my late 40's 49 to be exact. Purchased home in late 2000 Still working harder than you, not retired, not looking to live with Mom as you probally do. So tell me Jr. Detective where is the lie?????
Better get your game of Clue out and retry. Or maybee one of those 8 balls that answer the question. All the time while burning Mom's electric and running to the Slurpee machine.
What do you own August big shot. Notice how you never speak of where you live or what kind of home you own on Marco Island. Ever notice that???Try to read my posts it talked about the STRP try to figure out what it stands for. Use your great wisdom.
How much did Mom I mean you pay towards STRP? I await your answer.
Lets all worry about what could happen with the 4 legged dogs. How about the 4-6 cubic yards of trash removed DAILY from the beach. That came from some two legged dogs.
2themoon you are right STRP was another step towards total rebuild of the Island. Sewer service is a great thing the way they went about was the bad thing. It did clear the way for build out on all lots and teardowns to again ramp up.
Northerner, You also raise good points. In normal Citys sewer service is welcomed as good for the area. I am sure you have seen it before where land that was non-buildable was turned buildable when the sewer came available. On Marco Island there is only so much land period. Thats what makes it so unique. It is a island remember. That is what drives it money,money,money.
For these "blogs" to mean nothing she sure is on top of them posting her opinions.
And a dumb one at that.
Profzed, As I wrote in the blog last week if you are thinking about purchasing an older home on Marco Island forget it your time will be limited.
I purchased my old Deltona home in 2000 and I love it. However if you see the mindset of Marco Island it is like joining a Country Club.
I myself saw that. I visited the island from the late eighties and always wanted a home to retire there. I purchased in 2000 far in advance of retirement and have seen the changes. Some folks think progress will prosper the island while others want the Island to remain the same as Deltona Corp. and the Mackle Bros. envisioned.
MICA was formed to carry on Deltona Deed Restrictions. I believe MICA has served the residents well although I believe we should not have to "join" any group as that should have come with ownership. I believe MICA should be a part of the City Planning Process and MICA Restrictions should overlay that plan for compliance.
So Profzed I will say this this Island is divided bad. The money factor is huge. Money drives this Island and money is this island. If you have money you are welcomed. If you are a regular Joe stay away you will not be happy. I see the divisions are deep and it is all about the money.
26years I have worked for many people who when building a custom can become challenging but I have never walked away from a job. The process has to be followed to communicate with the Archiect/Engineer. This however does not relieve the Building Inspector from his/her duties which is simply to check the work to code.
I believe these folks had problems with all components of the build and found issues. Trouble is the home that was built is probally substandard in quality.
August Next time I am in town and on the Beach wow bad me spell wrong (Beech) I think I will go throw some change in the fountain for the beer guy but now that you know his spot I doubt that he will see any of the money. You will be at the 711 911 with a run to the Slurpee Machine. Might even have to use Mom's car.
No dude, I do not dream about you believe that.
August8 Making more friends I see.
Been quiet, thought Mom turned off the internet on you.
Or your Security Guard job changed hours.
I find it odd that a City Council meeting is "packed with building trades workers and company owners" over inspectors and the Building Department. I for one could care less if the internal makeup of a building department changes.
As a contractor, who cares as long as inspections are carried out. It is the people who worry that things could change for them in the limited work area of Marco Island. I would question why worry about the Building Department of the City of Marco Island.
Bill, great letter you raise some good points. On the topic of Inspectors it needs to start from the top with a qualified Building Offical. Next the Inspectors need to be qualified in the field that they are inspecting.
On the topic of money, we need to stop spending.
How is it time and time again when these City Employees do wrong they are allowed to "retire" How bout the other word that rhymes called "fire".
26years In a "custom home" which I have built many, the Archiect and Engineer draw plans that are reviewed by a plan reviewer. The building permit is issued to a licenesed Builder. The plans are to be followed and Inspections are to be sure the Plans are followed. Any change to the plans would need a revision turned in for plan Review. However, if the change is minor or the change is of better strength and quality many times that process is superseded in the field by the Builder and the Inspector. It happens everyday. Then when trouble arrizes between the Builder and the Homeowner they point out the change with no plan change. This is probally how the Archiect and Engineer were probally not at fault. It was the Builder who made the changes and the Inspector approved it and should not have. I contact the Archiect or Engineer and have him give a letter of change to the print so everone is covered. I want to no exposure to anyone and it is all above board.
It is a simple process and covers all concerned.
mrz333 I am not even speaking about rental houses. I believe that you should not be able to rent at all. I have owned my home over 14 years and never rented it once. It is my home I want it that way. I could rent I suppose and make income but I purchased it to enjoy and to know it is just the same as I left it when I return.
I am talking about the trend to rebuild the island that was going on before the bust. I saw that as a very limited time for owners like myself who have a modest home bothering nobody but not fitting the trends of the island. This trend will return as new construction is going on the island. Old will be out replaced with new.
I would have saw that as a Huge conflict of interest to allow that to happen. That is just plain wrong as Code Enforcement can actually be part of Law Enforcement when writing violations.Some City's Code Enforcement is actually part of the Police Department while others are part of the Building Department.
Most have switched to the Police Department as they have moved Ordinance Violations to a crime. As in 500.00 fines and or jail time.
ajm3s Like I said this happened in my hometown a few years back before the bust. They were ticketing folks for having loose gutters or lack of landscaping which meant blight. All the while City properties were bigger offenders than anyone. The problem is the "teeth" of oridinance. When the judge hears the case he/she must interpet the oridinance by the written law and that is where they get you. If the Judge is pro-city you loose, if the judge stands for the people you win as it is thrown out. That is why the "teeth" meaning "more definable law" that cannot be thrown out so the judge has no leeway to side with the homeowner. Pay attention people this is the dangerous part. That word "teeth" is used all over the country and there are Law firms that specialize in setting up Citys for just this type of scenario. Teeth= Fines and Court= Frustration= Financial hardship= Sell property. Game over.
MHS513&Ray, I told you this would happen. I have seen this before. There is always the link between Municipal and the Realtors. The Realtor is "on scene" during this process and ultimately the owner throws in the towel and leaves.
The lull and compassion of the Code Board was all a farse until the market picked back up and the run out of town can begin. Most people will sell as they do not want the fight or the expense to fight.
As for me, My home may be the very last Deltona standing after this process.
Was not the Code Supervisor the Ex-Police chiefs wife? Can someone answer that question?
The only difference Captn is that they use the term "high quality of life" which means they know what is better for you.
Marcobiker I agree, that is part of my bike route when I am on the island. I try to avoid that intersection in the mornings as I feel it is dangerous. For a City that wants to be pedestrian friendly that is a bad crossing.
This "teeth" with oridance was tried in my hometown a fews years back. It made lawyers money but after all the real problems were uncovered the City backed down after seeing they were just as guilty.
This picture of the City Councillor pointing is not the signal I want to see as a citizen of Marco Island. I did not sign up to live under fear and terror of the "Code Police" one day they want to work with the homeowner the next day the finger is out pointing and fines of 250.00 are threatened. This sends a mixed signal.
Where is the supervisor asked the councillor? Is this not the person who has been provided many different rolls in the City over the years? Can someone answer that question. I am not clear on that but I think she was in charge of dealing with Foreclosed/BankOwned properties?
How is such a meeting conducted without the supervisor present?
This is just the restart of the teardown theory. I warned you people about this some years ago when the New bridge was coming. Wake up when they use the word "teeth" that means dollars and power. Once your property has been targeted you will sell wait and see. If your old Deltona house is in the way watch out someone has better plans for it than you do. This is the start of a rolling rock.
"We want Marco Island to have a higher quality of life" That means if you are in a old home less than 1 million you are not high quality and time to move. This will get interesting.
Hascle and benjaron You are correct. I fully agree. I was a "Day tripper" then I became a "owner and taxpayer" I believe that is the way it should be. Not to cater to tourists. If you like it, buy it and enjoy it. If the tourists are unhappy leave. I followed the rules when I daytripped. Sometimes waiting up to one hour to park in the South lot or I would go look at realestate and return later. I never complained as I felt I was a visitor.
August8 and fan club 20&out. Better brush up on the law when you are searching the web. Explain how you are saving the public (spelled right) dollars when the person is going to jail, having to post bond, hire a lawyer and fight the charges. How is not impounding the car saving so much dollars. The arrested party pays the tow & impound fee or lose the vehicle. No public dollars spent.
Maybee you should read up on the Law. If a person is called to "operate" the vehicle in question follow now this may be hard for you, the MIPD turn over "custody" of the vehicle to said driver that was called how would MIPD confirm that the vehicle was insured for this "substitute driver" to legally operate on the public roadway. Say two blocks away the new driver runs you over and then you claim your injured. The driver has no coverage as it is not their vehicle, the insurance is denied, MIPD turned over custody to the "new driver". Who is liable? In your spare time (all day) burn some of Mom's electric in a usefull way and try to come up with a answer.
That is why Law Enforcement Tow and Impound vehicles. The chain of custody is not broken. But you already new that right smart guys.
20andout If you read the article he was arrested and sited for Operating With a suspended license. That was a Motor Vehicle not a bicycle. He was stopped for a License Plate Tag Light not a bell on a bicycle. That is where the vehicle is in play. In my town the vehicle is impounded when the driver is ARRESTED. No calling in drivers.
August says $$$$$$ saved when feasible. How about the bond to get out of jail. This is plain and stupid. What type of Police Agency would allow someone who is under arrest to Call a driver to the scene to drive away the car. Sounds like poor work to me.
Again August Badgeman, Tell me where any other jurisdiction where you allow a person under arrest to call a driver for the car.
Sounds like either they realize the stop is weak or the are poor at the job. End of story that is what they make tow trucks and Impound yards for.
So why don't you wake up.
20 and out. When the violent Felon is under arrest do you then allow him to call someone to drive his vehicle away? That must be Marco Compassion towards the Violent Felon here on the island.
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