tikihut2206 That is where you are making a mistake. The Marriott expansion will not lead to lower taxes it could lead to just the opposite higher taxes.
With growth comes cost. The infrastructure burden alone with more need for public safety, Police, Fire, EMS all adds costs.
Is the Marriott going to have their own EMS? If one of the guests falls ill or has become drunk or unruly is their a Marriott Police Force and EMS service to handle the situation? Do they call Marco Island Police and Fire? If the building has a fire from a display from a convention booth do they have a Marriott Fire Dept on site?
Simple math is the money that Marriott will pay in taxes can easily be used up and ultimately the Taxpayers of Marco Island will be paying more for a reduced quality of life on the island as we know it currently.
So tikihut, please try to have a open opinion on this matter as you live next door and can be greatly effected financially by this project.
RayNetherwood & Ajm3s I agree totally. You are both correct in the sense of its a "money thing". Let them go ruin another town with overbuilding. I Love it the way it is. I would have liked to seen it in 1970 when my house was built. I think it was probally something to see when it was new.
I would ask this question. How long would you be able to last in business without the Marriott? Maybee the day might come when then space you have might become more viable to something else inside the Marriott.
Remember, bigger is not always better....
ajm3s Right again. People staying at the Marriott are just going to do that "stay at the Marriott" they are not going out to the local business or venture out to explore the island. Some may, most will not.
Gorgonzola Excellent!!! Right on. Just look at how many bars have folded up on Collier. I went to the Toucan Bar in April and it was gone in September. The Marriott is not going to make local business grow.
tiki2206 Maybee you believe that the expansion next door will boost your already upside down value of your property. Maybee yes, and maybee no. Might go down even further.
As far as I am concerned, every resturant and business on Marco Island could close if it meant the place to become a tourist trap.
Deltona never thought that, so stop making such ignorant statements. Deltona was about the residents.
If it were not for the legal battle Deltona was in, I doubt they would have ever sold the hotel property at all.
When will you two fools just leave. Stop with the rah,rah, already. We know that one has a business interest in the deal and the other one who knows? But please, do you really think people are as s----- as you to believe your crap?
Wake up fools, people pay alot of property taxes on this island. There are alot of million and multi-million dollar properties that pay taxes. You fools think that the Marriott is everthing. Just keep thinking it and maybee you can convince each other to believe it.
Copwatch, good stuff. You must be the old "August8"
Fegelein, looks like we have just another goverment worker on the payroll. New fire boats, new paramedics, new City Manager. Now, we just need that printing press to fire up so we can pay for all of this.
The Sun Times had a excellent article about the 49th Anniversary of Marco Island, Deltona and the Mackle Brothers. The best line of the article is when the Mackles knew they found something special when the set foot on the beach. That is what all this is about, not ruining the legacy of those great visionaries by bad planning, overbuilding or congestion.
Hat's off to those gentlemen who left behind this great paradise which needs to be protected for everyone to enjoy.
Marco10k The whole situation was handled wrong. It was wrong of Law Enforcement. It shows lack of class, procedure and safety towards the public.
Marco826 Where have I changed my story? I disagree with you we are not a "Resort Town". Some like you want us to be a resort town. I am not an alarmist as you label me. I do know that if the Marriott is turned in a "convention center with trade shows" there will be more than two tractor trailers arriving guaranteed.
I like the current Marriott, I agree it brings class, but even class can get excessive as is happening here. I hope that they can expand and realize trade shows are not in the best interests of the residents of Marco Island. I agree the t-shirt shops are not my idea of perfect but I can tolerate what is currently here as long as more do not follow. So stop attacking me and start finding ways that make solutions not more problems but please do not try to convince me that we are "sold out" completely.
Ajm3s Excellent idea about the e-mail to the City Council.
Marco826 I agree Publix and Winn Dixie will bring a 53' tractor trailer to the stores. However, that is their truck, parking on their property. Not a fleet lining up to unload. That is why the impact is not even noticed.
So clean your glasses up and take notice. It is their property that the truck they own delivering their goods is sitting on. It is not backing across Collier Blvd. to access it's destination. That is the difference my friend.
Marco826 I disagree, Some are trying to make Marco Island a Resort Town. If poeple stand by and let that happen it will be the end of the place as we know it.
By standard a "resort" is usually a property by boundry all inclusive. To create a "resort town" is just crazy and s-----. Why not just build a casino next and get it over with.
Your statements about the trucks is wrong. Companies that currently deliver food, beverage and goods to Marco Island daily are not running over the road tractor trailers. They are using 28' trailers with "city day cab tractors" which are night and day when compared. Most are single axle vs. tandem long frame highway tractors.What came to your house is not what is coming to a Trade Show. Please do not try to fool the residents of Marco Island by making such inaccurate statements.
As I said in the other post this is a Gold Mine for the Marriott and the shaft for Marco Island.
Sounds like the usual rederick that is passed about right before the final stamp goes on.
The Marriott are fine neighbors no doubt about it. Like all neighbors, sometimes they just need to listen to the other neighbors.
Just have the restrictions in place regarding trade shows/trade conventions. Limit the amount of floor space that can be used for any kind of exibit and limit the dock space also. Regulate it so to keep it honest. This is done all the time. Can I sleep in my garage as a bedroom? Can I rent it out as a bedroom? Lounge? Breakroom? Cantina? Any name you want to call it it is still a garage. Make this is the same way.
Having Trade Shows at the Marriott would be a gold mine for the Marriott and the Shaft for Marco Island.
There was no need to fire a pistol anywhere near the population period.
Ajm3s Right as usual. Take this in account also. The set-up day means the exibit needs to be on site already so that means the days prior your truck needs to be at the dock. What also happens frequently is shows run back to back so you have exibits being torn down waiting to go on trucks, with new exibits waiting to get off trucks as they need to setup for the next show.
Trust me, it is a very stressfull pace to get that load there on time and off loaded. Most shippers push that hard then the truck arrives early and is sitting. Most communities have adopted "no idling" ordinances to try and combat this problem. So if the truck arrives at the Marriott what is going to happen if the dock is full? Stage it in the lane? Turn it away? Make it go off the island and come back? Thats not traffic right? you can't count that right?
Someone will say guarantee this, that they will "only have appointment times for dock space" Thats great, until someone is late,early, or running late while in the dock getting loaded. Again, where do the trucks go???
Mr. Bill Harris has found the true problem with the expansion of the Marriott right here. The problem "it is hard to stop a rolling train".
Northerner, I Agree totally. I think the picture is awfull also of the dead animal. This kind of behavior is what leads people to lose respect for Law Enforcement as they show themselves in the wrong perspective to the public.
Then on the flip side, they wonder why the general public have lost respect for Law Enforcement.
Next, they try to flip again to make this a positive to give the animal to a "homeless shelter" in the good of all.
I could see this, the cook at the shelter gets this wild boar drop off. What do I do with this? Who processed the boar? Did they just throw him in the pot? No way. I am no hunter or outdoorsman, but I wonder how much actual meat was claimed out of the boar?
I think the whole thing looks bad on MIPD. They should have called the right agency that handles this type of animal, not just start shooting. It sends a bad message, and shows lack of skills, management, and respect during this event.
They should have took him alive. How about a tranquilizer gun? MIPD looking bad again.
WizeOlMarco Where else but Collier would you turn? I have a question, How far is it from Collier to Marriott property line at the beach? How deep? From the lane on Collier to the end? This measurement will show the distance of the inside drive/loading lane to the docks.
Tikihut2206 You seem all for this expansion. You will not be so happy when you lose another 40% on your realestate you currently own.
Konfuzius, I agree. People with no facts have to result to insults to try and deflect. I like your name "Marriott Island" that was a good name if we allow this to happen.
Why do you believe that the so called "snowbirds" would vote for Marriott not against. I do not live on the Island full time yet I do not want the Marriott to expand. I believe it will change Marco Island as we know it today. It has changed in the 25 years that I have been coming there and in the 14 since I purchased my home. I think all taxpayers have a right to have input on this one.
Like I said before your opinions are yours and I respect them. Some people attack you personally which is wrong as I believe your knowledge on "world" history is far above the "average" person.
YouAreWrong= You are wrong. You are wrong because I like your statement "If there happen to be to many trucks showing up, there is an overflow lane taking trucks to the side of the new building, to wait until they can back up into a dock when it opens up".
Being one of the trio of idiots I think I said the very same thing. Question how long is the driveway to wait in ? Tractor/Trailor up to 85' long. Does this "driveway" share the same as the "delivery" driveway that is used for goods?How many trucks can "stack" up and wait for the dock? I have waited 8 hours or better to get to the dock.
There won't be 20 trucks 2 trucks is more like it"Question do you know how many Tractor/Trailers it takes just to transport one of today's concert shows like would be at a local venue?Answer 10 to 20 units.
How could a convention center run on two Tractor/Trailers? Maybee Matchbox car convention? Minature dolls? Minature Golf? Matchbooks? Playing Cards?
You are wrong again, Have you ever been behind the scenes at a convention center loading dock? It is not the lazy scene you portray. Trucks want to unload and go need to be unloaded tempers get hot quick.
So when you can answer some questions I await your reply. Mr. Breeze, One idiot of the trio.
Larry, I visited your website. It is a very nice site and I applaud you for setting it up.
Although you may think that numbers balance I believe that you are "out of touch" with the average citizen of Marco Island. I believe until that fundamental change occurs this island will be further divided or concoured by one mindset.
I now understand the problem "totally".
Ajm3s The answer to you questions is a simple one word answer "Money".
Larry, you were one of the three guys for the taxpayer correct? I am curious as Ajm3s states why have you not stood up against things like the fire boat. I do have hope though that the recent decline to replace city vehicles may give some hope. I will read your website, and I would hope that you and the other members that were elected on the promise to represent the taxpayer of Marco Island will be upheld.
That makes sense. It has to be a disruption of enviorment that is killing them all in a group not just one or two sick whales.
Mr. Bill Thomas Great Letter, Right on with the facts. As a former Owner/Operator who hauled show and convention setups I can tell you that you are correct in your analysis of the truck traffic to and from Marco Island.
If I had to deliver to a convention center first you have to make your time to get dock space. Next, someone has to unload the truck, usually requiring a forklift. Here is the big difference bigger venues have more dock space thus load/unload moves faster. Smaller sites big venues have less docks thus you wait. Most time idling in the street to keep warm or cool depending on the time of year.
I have been in small sites that I have waited all day to get dock space to unload. After which you either wait for the convention to run its course then you are right back at the dock to reload the setup. Some displays can only be transported by the trailer they are built for. Some have special trailers to protect the high-end displays. Where are the trucks going to go? Yes, off island they have to but where? Closest truck stop/parking is Fort Myers Pilot. The congestion is huge, the noise is loud, the exhaust smells and lingers, tempers flare trust me I have seen many fights over parking and dock space. This is just what I said about the "free bridge" now the traffic will come in 85' 80,000 lb. incriminates.
The convention truck traffic is added on top of the already delivery truck traffic that brings all goods currently to Marco Island which is alot of truck traffic currently coming and going off the island.
Ajm3s is correct, where are the loading docks? How can you back in 85' off Collier? Where is this going to go? The people of Marco Island need to stand up and demand answers to these and many more questions. It is not about tourism, conventions, or store owners, it is about the peace and quiet we all bought into and want to remain the same? If I were to park my truck in my driveway I would recieve a violation, what happens when one makes a wrong turn and ends up in a neighborhood? Happened to me, GPS took me there, had to back out down the street stopping traffic.
You gentleman have it right, very right.
You think they could just guide them back out to sea. Sad to see them in that condition.
I have read strange things are happening to bees also. I have not heard much of it though in the news.
I see the paper was quick to respond to its own remark of sonar testing. Something is causing this to happen. The public may never hear what has caused this to happen.
Marco826 You are correct the manager should be fired. No excuse for not maintaining the equipment. Just looking to the taxpayer to squander more dollars in new equipment.
Like I said, the equipment should last a minimum 20 years with good maintence.
It has to have something to do with their brains or hearing. Whales I understand are very sensitive creatures with hearing and guidence features. Why would all these whales just beach and Die? There is a cause somewhere.
I wonder if they will not maintain the new Fire Boat also. Vehicles and equipment on Marco Island should last 20 years with the stable climate that they work under. Maintence and upkeep does not seem present as the City workers just believe they will get new units. Again, a waste of the taxpayers money.
Same old story, He will last some time, retire with a nice check, and enjoy the time he will be on the island. In the mean time nothing will be done to clean up the mess that has been created on this little island.
Lets build some more windmills, and battery powered cars to make factory jobs for the working middle class. Then when the factory fails we give long term unemployment benefits to give "A little help so they can look after their families while they are looking for a new job"
Then what the new widgit factory opens on the taxpayer dime and the whole process starts over.
The windmill factory in my town went broke six months ago. The auction was held and everything was sold for pennies on the dollar invested.
How can this work????
I am waiting for the first time the boat will be used for a "pleasure outing" by a city employee. A training exercise with fishing poles and water skies.
You know it will happen it is just when.
Thats worth 200,000 plus all day long. Why not throw in a house, car, and boat just to be sure we are paying our fair share for this outstanding service.
Maybee, a job for the wife also.
Thanks Ray, I thought that was the same guy, but I could not believe that he would be on the Code Board.
It should be renamed the "Crony Board" where past or fired friends can then make more bad decisions for the Citizens of Marco Island.
How can the Citizens of Marco Island allow this??? What's up with this??????
They should have named it the "Bankrupt City" as that is where we are headed. Can we look up the lawyer for the City of Detroit and get him on standby.
Who is Rony Joel on the Code Board? Is this the same guy who was employed by the City of Marco Island?
This smells real bad.
Just another waste of the taxpayers dollars. Time to clean up and throw out the City Council.
What happened to our elected three for the people of Marco Island? They have turned from the very first meeting.
Marathon? Have you ever been there? I was there in October What is there? 219,000 a year???? Are they nuts?
Why not hire is wife also, she needs a job.
There were enough s----- voters to elect him. Watch them do the same with Hillary.
Yeah, I am thinking Copwatch is August8. Why change names? I will stay Breeze.
What has happened to August8? Has he or she transformed into another code name?
A person of Marco Island history. One of the talented people that put the "dream and vision" of the Mackle Brothers on paper.
Tikihut, You need to lighten up and not take offense. Some times things get heated on topics of opinion.
Please do not call me old as I am younger than you and have been an owner on the island for more than 10 years now.
But, I do say my opinion as you also have a right to say yours and being a owner and taxpayer of Marco Island it is good to see that you are interested in the island, but I would disagree with your vision of the future of the island as you have stated in other blogs.
Again, Only my opinion.
What ever happened to safe stopping distance and control of the vehicle. I guess that does not apply in Florida.
Coming to a town near you. The Code Police.
Newsflash::: Code violator Arrested.
A anonymous tip led the Code Police to a local hardware, where the suspect fled down the paint isle and was cornered next to the nut and bolt rack. After a flurry where the suspect threw nuts and bolts at the Code Police lead Officer August8 charged the suspect and apprehend him.
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