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Sparky, When was the last time you saw death from a 115/120 volt single phase at 15 or 20 amp in a residential panel? Maybee submerged I would guess, but I have never seen or even heard of it other than on the scary movie where the pool light blows out. Not possible as pools need Ground Fault (GFCI) Also I would assume docks are all Ground Fault where the outlet is outdoors and in a NEMA (wet) box with weather cover. I will stand corrected if I am wrong on the statement I have been wiring for 25 years and never seen anything less than 220v single phase hurt someone.
You are right it is just a money thing I think the homeowner can prevail in court as the ordinance is tied to another inspection the to a contractor which makes it unreachable for the homeowner to even do any of the work.
Nobodys, You must not forget this is Marco Island the land of wishes and City dreams with the taxpayer dollar. We need pretty lights, and bridges. The problem is who is going to pay for it?
I know the new guys will stop the spending spree.
Duhuh, So sir you are saying that obtaining a license you swore to uphold obtaining permits? I must have missed that ceremony. I know that a license holder is bound to uphold "code in workmanship" IE. State building code/ National building code BOCA, and ADA Code. I think you are on way to high a pedestal if you are saying the statements you do.
Tell me you have "never" done a job without pulling a permit. That means a job for a friend,relative or anyone else. Tell me you pull permits for everthing no matter what or who.
Permits and permitting are just compliance of work quality. If the work is done correctly the permit and inspection is useless. I have had inspectors who do not even know what they are inspecting, but they look at the quality of the job and they ask questions. Inspectors just seek Code Compliance and even at that the Code is up to be interpeted to the job at hand.
So, do not "label" others to your standards.
Laduev, So in your wourld being an attorney the man shold have "known" to call the City of Marco Island and ask if he needed a permit to repair/refinish his dock.Correct?
If the answer is yes, where does this end? Do you call the City and ask to paint your house? Service you HVAC system? Replace a sink,faucet,toilet? Run a outlet for a tv on the wall? A new cable line ? Garbage disposal or dishwasher? My bet is the "City" would tell you those are all "permitted jobs" meaning you need a permit and maybee a contractor to proceed. Is this the same as crossing the street? Is this the concept you want me to accept?
I think the man did nothing wrong. He took pride in his property. He excerised is property rights to better his home. If I were him being an attorney I would challenge this in the courts and he would prevail as the ordinance is flaued due to involving electrical inspection in dock repair or refinish.
The only way they can do this is through ordinance. This would be like saying if you were to paint your home it would then be subject to any other inspections they deem necessary to "attach" to the ordinance, This is how they get more fees and control of the homeowner. I hope you see my point on this issue.
Wizeolmarco, Sir being in the electrical/mechanical trade I can assure you it would be highly not possible to be electrocuted except if there was voltage of 220v single phase for something like a large boat lift of say a hotub/spa. 110v single phase which is light&outlet power will not kill you. It can cause heart problems if you are shocked but 220v can and will kill you. So that might be the reason for the Electrical inspection tied to the dock inspection. Bottom line I think the man was correct in refinishing and repairing his dock. If a permit is needed big deal. Why penelize and charge him just give him a inspection and compliance thats all he was asking for. They just want to drum up fees so they can exist.
Laduve, You are so misinformed. You say "does the dock meet electrical requirments so some guest do not get electrocuted?"
The homeowner replaced boards and refinished the dock. Who said anything about "Electrical" other than the Building Offical. Now think about this.What would happen if the homeowner did nothing to the dock? He left it alone, it was in compliance as far as anyone knows. He left it to rot did no repairs. Again no Code violations. You as a guest come over trip on bad wood get injured, sue homeowner.
Where is in your logic that preventing your potential injury is "shooting himself in the foot". Would you rather live next door to the dock falling in the water in disrepair or the "pristine" dock that the man was penelized for.
Wake up, you must work for the City.
This City Manager will not survive the new council unless he starts to reel in spending and downsizing the City Departments.
Start with Code Compliance. This is getting out of hand with fines of 100 per day, rules that counter themselves, regulations that burden the residents. Start there, cut the fat.
Duh, I would take exception to some of your post. First of all I am not a Jerk. Second, your take on rules and of the build dept are wrong. Being in construction fo 31 years I have seen many times when the inspector of the job actually knows less than the person performing the job. The "person" performing may or may not be a contractor but in most cases a "homeowner" with good skills can out perform a "contractor" these days because of the vast knowledge provide through the internet and the homeowner will spend more hours perfecting the job then a contractor can afford to.
Also, homeowners or "Mr,fix-it" as you refer has and will be more informed and have more tech. knowledge due to the internet. "Mr. Fix-it" will be standing at the same supply house as you and will be buying the same item as you. This angers you and many other "contractors". You admit "you and your employees wear uniforms" that tells me you are a company of fair size. You have been on the island for a long time. Before Marco was a city inpections were handled by the Collier County. Now that Marco is a City, island based business has the up with the local inspectors that means you.
I am not saying that you are not a fair or honest person I stated what I have observed as "Marco Contractors" I will say you are dead wrong to insult anyone who works on their own property and insult their work as "dangerous or life threating". Please give me an example of who died due to a homeowner working on their own home?
By the way, to obtain a Florida "contractors" licence other that HVAC or Electrical one just has to pass the written test and no time in trade is needed.
So, maybee your foot needs to retract from your mouth.
What license do you hold?????
Is a surfboard PhD the same as a Masters of Cavedweller U?
Duhuh, Again another "contractor" on Marco. Please sir list your resume on here so we can all read it.
I will say like many other "contractors" on Marco you have not been here many years, moved from another state at least 500 miles away, will say how large a business you had in the other state, had many years experience and will state this is the "normal" cost of items on Marco this will be your position. You will pull up in your decaled vehicle which by the way is also your personal vehicle. You will have your cheap sunglasses, shorts and a clipboard. The homeowner will hear your resume and you will try to convince them that this is all "code applied" and "permit necessary". You will charge top dollar as you believe you are worth it. You may or may not get the job. If you do not you will watch the job and then rat out to the City if there is no permit in revenge.This is the "Marco Contractor".
Please sir list you resume along with so all of us so called "Mr. Fix-it" can read it.
Maybee the term "fell asleep at the wheel" is the same as "called in drunk for work" the next day.
Now if the deck was in disrepair Code Compliance would come running and write violations for it.
Here you have a homeowner and resident working on his home and taking pride in his dock and now he will be fined for doing "pristine" work according to the Building Offical.
This is where this code control has gone way to far in its powers. The time has come to dissolve that department totally. They believe through fines, peneltys, and permits they can then control Marco Island. And do not forget you may need a contractor to do your "pristine" work.
What a complete joke.
The City manager is worried about his future. I think the new guys were very smart in the no vote. Why vote "confidence" when you might not feel that way.
I like our guys and they will do what is right for this island.
That "vote of cofidence" was already casted on Election Day when they won the seats.
Great job guys. It is time the people of the island are fairly represented. I like many others purchased my home to enjoy in retirement. I love the island and see myself as the customer Deltona and the Mackel Brothers envisioned when they created this paradise.
Gentlemen, I hope you also see that vision not one of large development, razing older homes that displace people. Temper the greed that has been a part of the island for many years. Return us down a path of balanced living and fiscal balance. Let folks live here in peace not wondering when the next crazy expansion and commercial boom is heading to the island. Get our water rates under control and make it fair to all residents not selected groups.
Please, do not let us down the people of the island are counting on you.
Cavedwellers Day!!! A new holiday on Marco Island.
The day the island was taken back.
Para Rescue, I agree that is how Hitler took power. My point was many people take aim at him (Klas) and one can see by his writings that he is from another country. Never the less he is entitled to his opinion and I would agree if he toned down his posts and stay to the facts he would not upset as many folks on this blog as he tends to do.
It is obivious he is a Obama supporter and he has ever right to be that is called freedom and America.
Klaus is very good on his wourld history. I give him much credit for that. He can quote many things,times and events. I believe he was or is a history professor or historian. So do not insult the man's intellect. He has shown by my observance to know his history.
He also states and I believe to be true he has been a property owner since 1971 (Deltona Era).I respect people that can tell history as fact as they have lived during that time period.
I am proud to be a "cavedwellers" in fact I had said at the time we need shirts that said "Marco Cavedweller"
Sounds like a great name for a sports team. "even a cavedweller can figure it out"
Agree, what about the Auto Insurance coverage for property damage? Was the driver issued a ticket for the accident?
Ed, would you say the "cavedwellers" won? As some residents were labled in the last election cycle.
Also the name for City Hall should be "Marco Island City Hall" as it the place the property owners, taxpayers, business and residents own. It should not be referred to anything else.
Klas,Congrats your guy won. I hope you are right as I see the anger of divide. This election has divided the country in a very bad way the same way that Marco Island is divided under the current City leadership.
I do not believe in one party or the next, I just look at what has the person accomplished or set out to do. I hope Obama can stop blaming everone else and run his own show as he has won the election and the slate is now clean.
I am thrilled that the new guys won the Council seats and I am relieved to think they will stand up for the residents, not pit condo vs. homeowner, have sensable spending so we all can enjoy our piece of paradise and not be sold out.
It is a good start to retake the island back to the residents. I hope they proceed to make all good decisions and return the island to the style of living the Mackel Bros. envisioned when they created this great island we all call home.
Please guys do not let us down.
Captn, I would not object to a woman for a council seat I would welcome anyone who is fair to the Residents of Marco Island.
Is Jane Watt the woman who was trying to push a full high school development a short time ago?
Watch out! Billy will be sellin sand at the beech and yuckin it up with the local crowd.
Dr. Swiacki, You are acting like a "cavedweller" and that is not what they want to hear.
I can olny hope that other "caves" prevail come Tuesday.
Moon your right. I see Mr. Waldack has not replied nor other syndicate members.
I for one remain a "cavedweller" remember that title that was put on us. I hope the "caves" win big on Tuesday and we can gather caveman style to celebrate.
Remember "it's so simple even a caveman can get it". (Geico commercial)
Another 1.498 million dollar home to compete with the 1971 Deltona.
Watch out if are the Deltona. Your days are limited on this island.
Mr. Waldack, Do you feel that a base charge of 50.00 for just having the meter in place is a fair charge where most areas are between 5.00 to 15.00 dollars per month for a single family home?
Again, that is just the base charge with zero gallons used. Do you believe that is fair when a condo owner has one master meter per building?
Spin it as you want, it is unfair and I hope change is on the way next Tuesday as the little guy needs to "push back" and "push out". It has been a long time coming.
Mr.Meyer needs to realize this is not a game of touch football. Decesions that are made by the Council effect all of us on this island and we need people who can and make the right choices.
Also, the comment about the 6,000 dollar salary is weak. The pay should be ZERO dollars. People should serve for the want and good of the community not the pay involved.
Thank you Mr. Meyer for dropping out you realized that the gig was not for you and I respect that but please do not refer to the pay as a reason that sounds weak to me.
Maybee her Hyundai was angry at the smart car. Or maybee the two could take only one space.
I am still a "cavedweller". Card carrying and proud of it.
I was at the beech the other day and started talking to some folks who moved to Naples and came to Marco Island to visit the beech. They started at Tigertail and were so disappointed they ask the ranger checking parking for the eight dollars back. The ranger told them they needed to go down to the south end where the beech is nice. Now lets see how many people can we jam on the south end of the island as we all know the north end of the beech is not the place to be.
Lets get real. There is only so much beech,parking,and room for a normal amount of visitors. It is time to stand up and say no to more density and congestion.
Total waste of the taxpayer dollars. Fire equipment is always the "toys" of any city.
Is this the same Rony Joel from the water dept?
8,930 dollars for unmowed grass, piles of debris and a festering swimming pool. Sounds like a deal to me.
This another thing that needs to go the Code Board.This should all be handled by the county not some power hungry wantabee's who find enjoyment in beating up the property owner for replacing flooring.
Mackle Brothers all the way!!!!!!
"The City is in good financial shape We have worked to keep your tax rates stable and over the past two years have produced a surplus"
Is this the reason we can spend 400,000 dollars on a fire boat? Is this the reason my unoccupied home still costs 50.00 water bill per month for nothing? Is this the reason money is spent like sailors on leave? Tell me the some more good reasons?
Hope the new guys can truly represent the "homeowner" we need to be finally heard.
Mr. Issler talk about not responding? How about the reply to the questions I asked you about development? You seem to have a short memory.
The problem is we are all trying to find another Ronald Regan. Romney is not that guy. As hard as he might try he comes across as phoney.
The country is divided between the "haves" and the "havenots" and a new group the "haveless" which is the middle class. This recession has made many well off people broke. Many have been forced onto goverment programs and do not want to take the chance with Romney to risk total loss. So they will vote Obama in hope things will get better in the next 4 years.
Wealth has been divided in this country. People with true wealth have survived but people who thought they were wealthy found out they were not.
I thought a 50.00 dollar bill was a "Marco Five"
Is that why they call it "Mark-up" Island?
I think as I said before. Seawalls on Marco Island are very expensive for what reason I am not shure of. Panels that can and should be manufactured offsite then shipped in then installed. What is the big deal? Why cannot the panel be placed on a barge or small platform and set in place.
I get concrete up multi-stories for building floors and it is pumped by a concrete pump truck. The boom of the truck would reach most if not all seawalls but I have never seen it done on the island. The cost 100.00 per hour for the pump with a 4-6 hour min charge.
I believe it is the "manufacturing" portion of the process that has the neighbors in uproar next to the empty lots. I think no one minds if the lot is used for access to the seawall. I may be wrong maybee someone can clear the facts up for me.
I can tell you this. In my area a 14" thick wall 10' tall is 100.00 per foot formed on dry ground. So how wide and deep are seawalls? It seems very expensive at 58,000 for how many feet for a residential lot?
Mr. Issler you need to educate yourself on septic tanks. Septic tanks buried in sand in a warm climate would have at least a 100 year life at a min. As far as Deltona will you stop badmouthing them. Can you name me any other development of the size that Deltona took on in 1967 with the tools they had to work with then that turned out to Equal Marco Island? I dare you to give me a comparison.
As far as Track K Did you not support a new high school to be constructed there?
As far as the hotel and commercial 35,000 that would be far ahead of all the current development that has occured on the beech.
Did not Deltona build the South Seas Tower projects?
I understand that San Marco Road was a landing strip for aircraft for Deltona for the "fly and Buy" program. Tell me sir, where have you seen this kind of development that is so sucessfull even today 50 years later?
I think you need to rethink your position and stop the badmouthing once and for all related to Deltona.
I think the Mackel Brothers were far,far ahead of their time. They were brilliant developers who thought out to set aside land in the "MICA" rules and Master plan.
Your group wants to discount them to redevelop the island for profit not lifestyle.
Mr. Tolliver, I agree with you 100% I think the tide is changing here on the island and people are ready to push back and preserve the island.
Screen watchers and money grabbers are indeed a big challenge here as they see big money and gains to be had. They have no respect for this island but there are people like yourself and myself who do. It is a pleasure to know that others are having the same mindset. I thank you for your letter and thank you for your opinion.
Mr. Issler you never replied to my post about development. I will ask you the question again. Will you be ready to move for development?
The Josbergers, I know for what you stand for Phil. Wait, lets turn this into your "cash" cow. Lets all turn our heads while development makes you more money. Lets have you sell us a piece of the island then we vote to close the bridge.
rolomokat, What are you talking about?
Outwiththeoldies, The car polish is pure carnuba wax, native to earth. No fried food veg only. Age 49 hope to be around long time.
Your checkbook is not quite large enough to buy my "blehhh" Deltona. As Mr. Rogers said "won't ya be my neighbor"
Keep building your Mcmansion I love my SOH and cheap living. Love to live next door to you although you may not quite like me.
All part of the Master Plan. Get ready for even more grief as I see the building boom to begin and the Demolishing of older homes with low tax base to ramp up.
If the fincincial downturn had not occured in 2008 this would have already happened.
agm3s Again you are right. My outlook at phrase 3 of the future Marco Island plan: Eliminate ALL DELTONA HOMES and make way for new estate homes with large tax base.
This is nothing new. They teach this to City planners all over the county on how to "Take" property for re-development. It has always been targeted towards water front/beech communities where older housing is the majority.
This should be the first topic of a candidate.
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