Sidewalks are for people. Bikes use the street and bike lane as I do.
Miocene, anyone you dislikes animals has deep problems.
Mr. Harris Great job. Keep your "out there" comments coming as I Hope to see you run for a seat. I think folks are getting tired of hearing "present day Marco Island" and just want Marco Island as it is currently stands.
Here it comes the word "teeth" That is a dangerous word when it comes to Code/Ordinance.
Next step courthouse. Have wallet or deed ready that is how you get pushed out of the way.
I have seen folks lose property to Code/Zoning Ordinance violations as seen here the fines out way the value of the property and the legal costs skyrocket. I know of one where the Attorney settled his bill with a parcel of the land he represented the owner on. That is how "teeth" work.
I am all for keeping your property up to standards, but this is how they use the legal system to push you out.
August8 This may shock you but I am ok with the 11.00 bucks. My concern is when it goes to 15.00 then 20.00 where does it end????
Again, you make valid points but goverment has to get modeled after business or the end up in bankruptcy.
Here in the North where for years independent Cities were flush with cash the combination of Legacy costs, pension funds and loss of revenue have forced consolidation or go broke. It is working and not to say the Counties are running them, in some cases it is just neighboring towns combining services to stay afloat.
August8 I am not looking to create big goverment. I am looking at it in a sense that one larger team of three cities working together with three taxbase incomes not doing the same thing on their own.
I would rather see one logo on an employees shirt rather than three, After all, Collier County is already involved in all three areas.
It would just make good business sense to team up. Still have management just not so many. Still have the same amount of services but better with more efficiency.
Able to provide better service at todays costs is a hard argue to go against.
Like I say be it ego's or Fire Unions or whatever that is the hard hurdle to get over to be able to move forward with such a plan.
It is happening in many Cities and working well.
Old way, Three duplicated Chief or Directors. Regional way, One Regional Director. Same with all departments, managers then one Director. Savings huge.Money saved, have state of the art equipment and personell provide value to taxpayer.
Generally a three small City area works best for coverage. The area of Marco, Isles, and Gooodland would fit perfect.
Ajm3s Thank you!
I believe this is a great time to accomplish such a venture and I think the people of the region, Marco Island, Isles of Capri and Goodland should push for consolidation.
Just imagine how much good this could do. Regionalize the water plant, the Public Works Dept. Wastewater plant, Building, Planning, Zoning, Oridance/Code enforcement. It is endless.
The paramaters are simple create a "region" What better than the three cities that are already in the same County? That once were run by the same County? That border each other by land and water.
Create a Beach Patrol inclusive of Lifeguards and First Aid which I see is desperately needed right on the beach. Let the region collect and spend the tax dollars that otherwise would be paid as individual Cities.
Dismantle MICA, Keep the Deed restrictions permanent and managed by the Region Building and planning Authority.
Have Regional EMS and Advanced Life Support with full coverage for the Region. Hire qualified long term people not transplants looking to double dip the system for another pension. Give preference to younger candiates who grew up and trained in the area and are willing to commit to the profession.
The region could have the best equipment as costs would again be spread across the Region.
I find it puzzling the Chief of Police is writing the newspaper. For what? To convince the Taxpayers of Marco Island things are fine. They may be but it could be great, and example of the future, not just kick the can down the road.
August8, we rarely agree on anything but I believe Marco Island Police and Fire should have merged long time ago. The time is now for a start to a broader better future for this Region.
Like I said, many ego's need to be overcome to move forward with such a plan. The best part is it is a winner for both the employees and also the Taxpayers of the three areas.
Just emagine how good it could really be.
What is not talked about in this article is the new term in Public Safety called "consolidation"
That is where agencies such as Marco Island Police and Fire can have opportuntity to merge together and come out as one stronger unit with less costs and better services to the taxpayer.
I am surprised that the Chief of Police being a former Collier County Sheriff would resist this plan. Most times in other cities where this has occured the problem is there are to many upper management positions that are now duplicated after the merge.
Now lets suppose that Collier County Sheriff and Marco Island Police and Fire merged. The coverage area could be Marco Island, Isles of Capri, Goodland and to Us41. Take in account that could also include Marine operations also.
The new department would cover the waterways then the new fireboat would be justified. The cost are spread across the whole department. The coverage is expanded,costs are lowered.
The problem is many egos get in the way due to the fact that some will not allow change.
I believe that no one wants to not have Public Safety. It is where the waste of dollars are duplicated due to lack of creative thinking is where I and many others have issues.
I agree, I said that many times before with MIPD and Fire Services. Revert back to the County and save the place while there is still time.
Make the bridge a toll (residents free) give the money to the County to operate Marco Island and there will be more than enough money to LOWER property taxes. Cut out the waste and the drama. Run it like it should be run.
I believe Collier County can and would do a fine job.
Let us not forget that the island is not occupied by taxpayers that can vote due to it is not yet our permanent home thus the scales are tipped. I think if all "landowners and taxpayers" could vote then it would be fair but I do not see that happening.
Furthermore, this is the job of the City Council to protect all of our Quality of life on the island.
Dude, you know nothing. Anyone who would hurt the animals then quote the bible I think you are the "sick puppy" here.
More like a coward to me.
Spoken like a true Ahole. Maybee a hand around your miserable neck might help your frustration.
In all reality, I think we have made this position way to important. The City should be run by the City Council that the people elect. Day to day operations need to be supervised by a manager. What is the big challenge here????
26years Agree, totally Agree.
Oldmarcoman Greed and Hype ruined property values. Ever heard of "to much of a good thing"?
Wmissow, I agree. I also spoke at the City Council meeting asking questions about STRP even though my home was not effected by the project. I thought it was time that they could have made the project more a plus to the community if they were to also provide wastewater for irrigation along with the sewer. Also there was a study that left the septic tanks in place but instead of a septic field a liquid only sewer line could have been installed at lower costs. I was there for those meetings so I am very aware.
The problem is going forward I am going to be the "retired person" and like anything else I hope my investment in my home brings me peace and quiet on the island. Taxpayers should not to fight to have "quality of life" to live in.
STRP was part of the big picture for the rebuild of the island it was plain to see. The teardowns will resume and the new will overcome the old if nothing is done to stop it.
I say all Deltona homes should be protected by historical zoning. That will put the brakes on.
Create the "Deltona Zone"
Hey Liberator, Why don't you call me "user" "bloodsucker" and always after a free lunch.
Lets face facts pal. I have owned a unoccupied home for over 10 years. That means I have supported you and the other full time residents for over 10 years. That includes tax bills, water bills, landscaping, power bills, home maintence.
I would like to see you do the same before you start call names friend. Lets see what you contribute to the island. Myself and many others who do the same to support mooches like you should just pull out before your kind ruin the place for good.
And furthermore, I think your kind need to hit the bridge on a one way out before my kind.
My kind spends and pays, your kind takes and uses.
Mr. Uhler, The train left the station when the "new free bridge" was constructed.
It was easy to see as zoning and planning is always looked out in a five or ten year period.
Next will come the teardown of any last residential structures on Collier Blvd. in order assemble commercial properties. I see the areas of Collier and sixth ave as being one of the first to assemble right to Elkam.
Collier Blvd. will be tourist alley. Might as well get ready unless a very large "pushback" by the citizens and taxpayers of Marco Island takes place.
I hate to repeat myself but go back and see what I said during that time I said "the island would change forever" and I am afaid I was right.
Yes, Ed and his wife have a shop at the Marriott.
It always amazes me that this type of hidden agenda surfaces. Then what happens after the place is ruined the people who gleaned off it leave. Then the poor sucker who just wanted what they thought they would enjoy are left in the dust. I have seen this so many times over it is sick. Greed is a disease and a bad one.
The truth about Planning and Zoning is most people ignore it until it directly effects them then it becomes a crisis.
I warned you people when everone embraced the new "free bridge" this is all part of the plan to turn this island into one big tourist trap.
As I said before if you have a lot of money you might be able to stay but if not start packing you will be moving and very well may want to.
Marco69 is that the same "worldly people" who are to cheap to pay to park so they park on the swales after reading on the net how to get away with it.
Or is the same "worldly people" that when they get up at the beach they just leave a footprint of trash for someone else to clean up.
I have seen enough "wordly" people come to Marco Island.
I think also Mr. Issler was upset over swale parking in his neighborhood if I remember correctly.
Parking is not a small issue. Not all people who attend conventions use private transportation. Some people rent cars and they need a place to park be it on site off site or in Mr. Isslers swale. This is where the standoff lies.
I recently went to New York, it was 30.00 per day to park a car and that was discounted by staying at the hotel. Where would all the support vehicles park? They need offsite just for that.
Wmissow is right why should the people of Marco Island sell the place out for a mere tax break (if any). Why should the residents have to tolerate such nonsense. The Mariott is a very nice place and I am sure that the construction would be world class no doubt. It is the impact of the quality of life that it could have on the island which is the scary part.
Where is MICA on this? I believe it is far from a done deal.
Again, Mr. Issler you never answer questions that are asked of you ever notice that?
Would you sell your retirement home for the sake of growth and progress on Marco Island?
Mr. Issler Again, sir you are dead wrong. If your statements about expansions of the island and not being a "Retirement Community" then sir why are you located on Marco Island? Were you born and raised on Marco Island? Raised a family on Marco Island? Worked or owned a business on Marco Island?
Expansions on limited areas will take redevelopment. Mr. Issler would you be willing to give up your home and leave Marco Island to forward your vision of future expansions? This would allow someone or something who may be more suited utilizing your space in a more productive manner.
WMissow, You are right about the truck traffic. One of my past jobs was driving Semi for loads that went to convention centers. If the load was a specialized display I would have to either go back and pick it up or stay local until the convention was over. The bigger the convention, the more trucks arrive to unload and setup. This would be a huge impact to the island.
Remember, I said the "new bridge" had a purpose. Well this could be one of them.
Taxes will not be lower. Quality of life will be lower.
ajm3s Again, you have it right. When can we put you on the City Council to apply your thinking. The citizens of Marco Island need you.
Sounds Like a good bunch of guys.
The real answer would have been for Marco Island and the Isles of Capri to both be covered by the county with Fire and EMS but that makes to much sense. The location would be good for both and the county and the firefighters could keep jobs.
Marco Island wants to stand alone with ladder trucks and fire boats all on the back of the taxpayer. A missed deal at best could have been had by both communities. Same with the law Enforcement revert to Collier County Sheriff for the Isles and Marco Island and get rid of MIPD.
Correct me if I am wrong, but during his time was the SOH tax break developed?
26, In the City of Marco Island never. Larry, if you are telling us the facts on this blog, then what were the alledged Code Infractions? I think we would all like to know.
It is easy to guess when it is not your money.
August, settle down have a dew. Just wanted to know if the new boat was used and do not need you in the question unless you know the answer which I doubt you would know anything.
I agree, totally.
Excellent, I agree! The challenge is how do we fix it?
Was this the "New Fire Boat" in action?
Hascle, As a City Marco Island can fight any purposed development. If the Deltona Deed Restrictions do not allow the expansion then thats it over. What is there to be so scared about?
The documents speak the rules plain and simple.
Liberator100 What year were you born on Marco Island. Did you grow up with Deltona? In a Deltona home? This crap of "living on the island" is just that "crap". Zealots and mush-brains along with blinders on all have a say if they hold two little things.
A Deed and a Tax bill. Case closed.
Czar227 Agree, totally.
Profzed, First of all you not need to say that you have no say. If you own on Marco Island you have say. It does not matter if you currently live there or not. I do not and I believe I have every right as the next person.
I believe your comments are correct on the Mariott as if they do not meet the Deed Restrictions then they should be denied as I do not care how much money or influence they carry fair is fair.
Furthermore, why do we need to let this place become the tourist trap some want it to become. Keep it up prof, your comments are welcome. You have the right to them.
This is the big test case. MICA is not perfect I agree. However they are currently what we have left from Deltona, and I feel if the Putt-Putt is built against the Deed Restrictions tear it down.
A very smart Judge once told me "Cases are won or lost by the documents on which they are argued on" So if the the Deed Restrictions state no approval, the courts will say tear it down.
This again is a test case for a much larger agenda than putt-putt.
How about the Water Plant purchase? How about the Fire Boat?
Again,We all have high opinions for Mr.Savage and his dedication to Marco Island, Deltona Corp and the Mackle Brothers.
Mr.Savage, With all due respect I believe this is not about the Putt-Putt but rather following the rules about Zoning, Building and Construction.
Yourself being a prominent Artichect on Marco Island since the beginning would be the first person to know this. The course may be just fine but if the rules are changed the next project may not be fine but the rule change will give the green light as the precedence will the be set by the Putt-Putt. This is where the danger lies.
So, please do not be fooled as this is not just about the course. It would be as if the island that you help created was to totally change if the rules are "flexed" or "ammended" to allow the course. This is like the "wolf in sheeps clothing"
Please apply your vast knowledge as I know you know what is right here.
Also, I do not agree with MICA and the parking lot. I think as owners we are due a place to park as I would be willing to support maintence but the fees keep on rising. Those who live here full time act as if you are an outsider with those parking lots. Those lots should be available to the "owners of property on Marco Island" as I am shure that was a selling point from Deltona to be able to park at the beach. This I support as wrong and needs to change.
Again, I believe that the Deed Restrictions are the safe haven for the Residents. They must stand and stand strong. Otherwise the Deltona Zone will be in trouble.
What I question if this guy Kramer was involved with MICA I see this as a venue either to grind an ax or to set a precendent in the courts. We shall see.
Talk about getting rid of MICA. Why do we not get rid of the code board?
Per the article above one can post a "no trespassing" sign and they are not allowed on your property. That is top of my list to do.
26years, that might be the scarecrow in the field to keep the vultures out.
Keep it good in the Deltona Zone.
Tell them to come to "my older home" and see what kind of listing they would get. Mine will be the last standing in the "Deltona Zone" as a dear friend of mine calls it.
Marcobob. Do you not think that if the Deed Restrictions were dropped that the island would run crazy with development?
Klaus, as a man that has owned here for 40 years I agree that the development you see may have been one sided. I believe that "any and all" projects should be treated the same. All the same rules and regulations need to apply be it a Putt-Putt or a hotel or ampa theater. The rule book should not respond to the size of the checkbook. But please do not push for development on the island as you might not like the results. I live in once was a nice farm town. Development came and ruined the quality of life from what it was. The people who made the big money left and moved on to the next circus to repeat the same thing.The people left behind are the ones who suffer.
People this is just a test to see if the island can be changed. It is not about the golf course it is about the "bigger picture" of commercial and residential future re-development.
Mr.Ciolino I would agree that parking on the beach would have been nice if it was designated for the residents of Marco Island with some for visitors. I find it hard to believe that Deltona would have given up prime Collier Blvd. property for parking. The issue at hand is a power struggle against those who believe that Deltona's Deed Restrictions are outdated and need to go. The other side the MICA supporters want the island to remain with the origional Deltona theme thus holding back on development/re-development. The golf course is just the "tool" being used for the challenge.
I am not a MICA supporter but I do believe that the island needs to be protected as there are those who would bulldoze it in a minute for profit. So some "neutral" party needs to oversee the Deed Restrictions and apply them with common sense not profit.
This issue is more than about the Mini-golf it is about the future of Marco Island from Zoning,Building and the Deed Restrictions. If some would have their way the Deed Restrictions would be gone and the free for all will begin.
Mr. Herb Savage As I am sure you are aware many folks including myself hold you in great respect for your devotion to Marco Island through the Deltona Corporation. After studying the history of Deltona, Marco Island and the Mackle Brothers and the facts that are presented at the Historical Museum one can conclude that the island was not geared for the "young families" but more towards a second home or home to retire to. I would have to differ with your position on the Mini-golf as a prominent Architect on Marco Island both present and past you of all people know the rules and regulations set by Deltona need to apply to all projects.
To say the Deed Restrictions need not to be part of the process superseeds all of what Deltona was about. Would Frank Mackle allow a carnival in the middle of the island? A race track? Gambling Casino? Adult entertainment? I believe not and that is why Deltona left the Deed Restrictions. Now, I agree MICA may not be the right entinty to control the restrictions. That is a seperate issue, but they still need to remain and to be applied.
I have great respect for yourself, Deltona, and the Mackle Brothers for creating this wonderfull paradise but please do not let me lose your respect by not standing by the very heart of Marco Island that being the wishes of Deltona Corporation via the Deed Restrictions.
August "fibber" Here is the question: "State the type of property which YOU OWN on Marco Island"
It is just that simple.
I agree, Benjaron you have it right. If this is allowed and MICA was to lose this would clear the way for the "remake" of Marco Island which would be bad for most.
August,Reporting in. Blood pressure good. All good in the Deltona Zone. Still waiting for that answer from you. No guts no truth? I forgot, Country Boy Fibber. Mountain Dew Slurpee, Skoal and a gun rack. Yee haaa...
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