The PUD Agreement of 2001 in my mind is the overriding consideration here. What good are agreements if they are to be broken? What good are promises if they are not kept? How can one retain credibility if one cannot be trusted to keep his word? How can anyone defend the Marriott when they act in this fashion? What the Mackle brothers did or did not envision is very tangental to the fact that the Marriott should be required to keep their agreements.
As General Robert E. Lee once said: "A gentleman shall not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate anyone who does". I wonder what the General would say about the Marriott actions.
Why is Marriott so opposed to incorporating lower level parking into their expansion plans for the west side of Collier Blvd? Mission Plaza has it. This reneging on their PUD agreement is just a flat out effort to dump their excess cars on their neighbors. I am not against their expansion, but do not agree that they should be allowed to break the agreement that there be no second level parking on the east side of Collier.
The road to becoming another Miami is paved with small stones. Antaramian got his way and placed many. Marriott wants to go at it too. Bondie and tikihut want more business on the island and I can understand their thinking, but seriously compromising the aesthetics of this island is not going to do it. People who choose to come to Marco do so because of the way it is (was). If you try to compete with Miami on their terms you will lose.
Please understand that this is not just about a single parking garage. Over the years height restrictions have been lifted and concessions made to accomodate higher density, making the STRP and water debacle necessary. It is about literally drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough. Develop all you want, but do it under the present guidelines and restrictions.
I have been here for 25 years and am not against progress. However, this knee jerk propensity to grant all sorts of exceptions in progress' name needs to stop somewhere.
It should stop here.
So if Obama goes ahead and sends cruise missles into Syria not knowing exactly where the chemical weapons are stored, he may just land one on a chemical stockpile. Experts agree that at best only 30% of the chemicals would be incinerated (need a minimum of 2100 degrees) with the rest being dispersed over an extremely large area. He could gas more Al Queda than Assad ever dreamt of doing. Sounds like a plan to me.
The issue being pressed by Mr. Kramer is not the merits (or lack thereof) of the putt putt but rather the authority of MICA to review requests that vary from the stated deed restrictions. Mr. Savage may very well be correct that the City made the right decision to accept this location but there is no evidence to suggest that MICA would not have come to the same conclusion had an application been presented to them.
If, as Mr. Savage suggests, the vote for Cityhood nullified MICA's role in this process I don't recall that being communicated to the electorate at the time of the vote. However, MICA's ultimate legitimacy will now be decided by the courts.
Unfortunately, a compromise cannot now be reached by Mr. Kramer submitting an application and MICA aproving it. This would end the court action and summarily the challenge to MICA's legitimacy. I do not believe Mr. Kramer values the Putt Putt over ending MICA's role in the future development of this Island.
Agreed. The bridge needs to be replaced. However, the proposed replacements all looked like they were meant to span the Mississippi River and the associated cost quotes equally ridiculous. A 60 foot wide opening with even a 20 foot clearance can be done for less than half the cost of these grandiose elaborate structures.
186 days X 8 hours per day = 1488 hours. $50,000 divided by 1488 hours = $33.60 per hour. Add in pension and hospitalization. Union forklift operators can expect to make this much. So is it enough to attract the best and brightest to teach our children? I don't know the answer to that. But the premise was that the present cost of education is a bargain. I guess it would be if we were able to attract the best and brightest to teach.
$50.00 per hour = $104,000.00 per year. Add $15,000.00 royalties = $119,000.00 per year. Now add the hospitalization insurance, 401K contributions, and overtime. This for a group who never worked particularly hard in school and at best know how to operate a crane. Compare that to teachers entrusted with our children and our future. Just sayin,...
Beucler returned to the police department as a senior community services officer. Given his past behavior I'm sure the female community will welcome his service. Maybe we better define "service".
Judy's been reading Dr. Seuss:
"until the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knew Whether this one was that one or that one was this one. Or which one was what one or what one was who.The day they decided that Sneetches are Sneetches.And no kind of Sneetch is the best on the beaches".
Outwith theoldies is 100% right with the statement "I guess its all about the 'ME'". ME wants a new Mackle Park, ME wants a dog park, ME wants a museum, ME wants more bike paths, ME wants a makeover at Plummer Park, ME wants Marco Man in front of a new City Hall, ME wants you to pay for it.
" they formed a committee consisting of myself, (John Arceri) Councilman Glenn Tucker and City Manager, Bill Moss".That says it all. We're still paying for their shenanigans. Those were the days before few on this Island paid much attention to what these three guys were up to. Glad to see some candidates come forward willing to represent those of us who should have been more involved back in the day but were too busy trying to make a life here. Arceri can write as many letters to the editor as he wishes, but I doubt he can convince very many we are better off because of his "stewardship".
Those pesky public records keep getting in the way of good spins on history. However, over the last 12 or so years the most dastardly of deeds were hatched well away from the public forum so public records shouldn't be able to wreck all the good spins.
So the government pays farmers to grow corn for ethanol production, which not only drives up the price of corn for both human and animal food, but forces us to buy ethanol treatment so our boats and small engines aren't destroyed. Get the government out of the corn subsidy business and let the farmers grow corn for food. End of problem.
"He chalked that violation up to getting greedy: 'We were young. We learned our lesson,' he said."
And he doesn't think 6500 lbs of mullet in essentially one haul is getting greedy?
If more people were to think like him our fisheries would be doomed.
Just a dollar down and a dollar a week, you can get everything you seek for just a dollar down and a dollar a week. Then they paved paradise and put up a parking lot, with a pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot. Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone.
Council keeps telling me what I need. What I really need is for them to stop telling me what I need.
Hat tip to Woodie Guthrie and Joni Mitchell.
So we may now call the individual mandate a tax. Social Security is a tax, Medicare a tax, Medicaid a tax, Food Stamps a tax. Just remember those that dream up these taxes and enact them into law specifically exempt themselves from paying them. So on page 113 of the "Obamacare" TAX, the President, Congress, and indeed the Supreme Court are all exempted from paying it. Indeed in the case of Social Security they collected enough tax that it should never be in dire straits - they just robbed it to pay for other government programs. They'll do the same with the Obamacare tax.
Consider this: In a perfect Obama/Pelosi/Reid world everyone who worked would send all their money to the government, which in turn would take its cut and redistribute the balance to everyone (regardless of whether or not they worked) as government would see fit. I fail to see the incentive to work very hard under this scenario. I also fail to see the point in me working to provide health insurance to my 45 employees when all I have to do is pay the fine/tax/whatever and the government will take care of it.
In short, everything this regime is doing just incents me to go on the dole (depression term).
To cite a more pointed example: The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever. They have distributed internal memos encouraging local offices to have parties to get more people signed up.
Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.
This ends today's lesson.
A "Taj Mahal" is only such if it is built all at once. If it is built in stages it is "a new center".
"Thousands of voters on this island would rather see a new center than a new (Smokehouse Bay) bridge"
The Police budget "seeks an overall spend of $4.5 million, up from $4.2. In line with Hunter's philosophy, the department is seeking to become more efficient".
For the Fire Dept. a proposed ambulance requested by Fire Chief Mike Murphy, "that would put the city into the ambulance business for the first time in our history."
"it's a good thing that the city's elected leaders are taking seriously their responsibility to carefully husband the city's funds."
The title of this article should be: A Sarcastic Look at Crunching the Numbers.
Well done. However you have two major obstacles: (1) finding anyone on Council who can actually understand what you have accomplished here, and (2) overcoming the predisposition on the part of the majority of Council to protect the current preferred classes of customers (Sneeches with stars).
I also took my kids on an airboat ride years ago and the guide actually grabbed small gators and lifted them out of the water. That's when I decided I needed to learn how to operate that boat because I doubted the guide would make it back in one piece.
Frank Recker: "Any city worth its salt should have adequate recreation facilities for its citizens."
Define adequate. The current facility serves the citizens well. Sure it would be nice to have a new multi-million dollar facility, but nice to have, need, and adequate are all key words that should be used appropriately in any discussion of huge capital expenditures given the current economic conditions.
" A good business plan on how the building would be funded should be voted on through referendum to end the recent turmoil, he said."
The referendum should be about whether to even build a new community center, not a referendum on how to pay for it. Notice the "turmoil" question has been reframed by council, now admitting the building of the new center is a done deal and glossed over by advocating a referendum to let the taxpayers vote on how to pay for it.
If it wasn't built it would cost the taxpayers nothing. Give us that option in a referendum.
Absolutely insane. Despite public rebuke and a call for referendum, this Mackle Park debacle continues on its merry way. Yet, true to form, they choose to abandon something that is already there and relatively inexpensive to refurbish and would last for years to come. Aaaaargh!
Sorry Mary, while some would have you believe otherwise, Deltona never designed Marco as a tourist destination. It was never meant to have 15+ story condos. The parking problems for the beaches are due to one thing, density. Public fishing piers were never envisioned or built, except for under the Jolly bridge which Wilma took out. Caxambas has a dock to fish on. I don't know if anyone ever thought about putting bathrooms at the bridges. You could rent a boat though. Some are trying hard to remake this small island into what you want, but so far they have only succeeded in ruining it for everybody. As for the friendliness of the people, people are people and I can't speak to that complaint. The Keys are a great tourist destination and they work hard at it. Enjoy them.
Unfortunately, to do as Ken asks would essentially undermine the "class system" of rate charges. It was never nor shall it ever be the intention of this Council to charge everyone the same for the gallons they use. There are those who benefit greatly by this class system and they control the Council. At the present time, under this Council, "completing the rate design the right way" just won't happen. Contacting Council and demanding the same will be an exercise in futility.
I like the old "bombs bursting in air" and "rockets red glare" thing. - F. Scott Fitgerald
Here are the facts:
Single Family Residence using 1.667 thousands gal/month goes from $69.20 to $75.99 (+9.8%)
Condo with its own meter using 1.667 thousands gal/month goes from $64.79 to $47.22 (-27.10%)
Condo with master meter using 1.667 thousands gal/month goes from $46.17 to $47.02 (+.06%)
This is quite a difference among people all using the same water volume.
Suggested reading: Dr. Seuss's "The Sneeches".
Spin that at your next meeting appearance.
I agree Capt. Bill. Now how about the snook? Each year I buy a snook permit and they never open the season. They even raised it to $10, still no season. Shouldn't I get a refund?
Build a parking lot and they will come. Can't say the same about the museum though.
Your comments wouldn't have made a difference. This is what they were going to do from day one.
This was preordained. They finally got the study they wanted to begin with.
I agree with the letter to the editor and totally discount lauralbi1's response. If LCEC needs a new truck or a facility upgrade or electric aquisition costs go up and they need to raise prices do they charge a single family home more than a condo? A city debt is a city debt. Period. Usage is usage. Period. Stop with the smoke and mirrors.
Consider this: with STRP the capital cost (installing the pipes, plant capacity etc.) for each district was equally applied to all users. With the water rate structures being considered now the capital costs (plant aquisition, expansion etc.) are being built into the rates each class of customer pays. So why are capital expenditure allocations between the two programs different?
The answer is simple. When STRP went in it only affected one class of residents with no unified voice and certainly no representation on the council. The rate structure debate affects all classes and some have more unified voices and more representation on Council.
So if you define fair and equitable as everyone should share the burden of an over priced and overbuilt water infrastructure equally, and everyone should pay the same rate per unit for what they use, you will lose. This is all about who has the most influence with Council.
An argument could be made that the purpose of STRP was not environmental, but rather an attempt to expand the contribution base of an over priced, antiquated system used by some classes of users on the Island. What wasn't foreseen by the perpetrators, however, was this was not enough.
Now back to square one. How does the original influential user class mitigate their losses?Smoke and mirrors of course. COS studies, M1's, M54"s, accept the first principles (see ajm3s comments above) make it look complicated and at all costs make sure you secure your preferred status.
I suppose there is nothing wrong with anyone's desire to preserve a preferred status. As one blogger on here often states: Council reflects the will of the taxpayers on Marco Island.
I for one can only hope for the day when Dr. Seuss's vision in the "Sneetches" comes true on the Island:
"until neither the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knewwhether this one was that one... or that one was this oneor which one was what one... or what one was who."
Social security disability is granted no matter how you become disabled. But Workers Compensation and payments from the pension fund for exiting the restroom? OSHA needs to examine that restroom door and see if it is unsafe. Next Comp will kick in when someone is injured playing pool while on duty. This is, ajm3's, unbelievable.
Rock swales clog drains, according to Mr. Pinter. How about all the mulch in the City medians? Point your garden hose at the mulched median, then the rock swale, and see which ends up in the street first. I Agree with AJM3S; this is about what some view as more aesthetic. Although I have a background in geology, it really doesn't take a scientist to refute Mr. Pinter's missive and discern what is really going on here.
STRP all over again - SWALE TREATMENT REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. While I don't have a dog in this hunt (my swale is grass), I am tired of a small group of people telling everyone else what they need to spend their money on to further their own "vision" of what this Island should be. Mackle Park is still in the budget out to 2016 to the tune of $5,625,000.00. Also out to 2016 is $2,500,000.00 to develop a special event area. $2,500,000.00 to put up a band shell. Another $1,000,000.00 to further develop Veterans Park. $700,000.00 more into bike paths. $300,000.00 to renovate Leigh Plummer Park. The list goes on and on ad infinitum.
Do we all really need all this stuff? Who makes this stuff up? Whoever it is, they need a reality check. Then they need to go far away.
For those who don't know yet, the estimated cost of this flag is $350,000.00. That would be almost 9 years of fireworks. A 50 ft. commercial pole will run about $3,400.00 with one 10x15 flag included. So that leaves $346,000.00 to install it. Wow.
STRP all over again
I wonder why the County Commissioners have to give dollar amounts, but not City Councilors. When a guy puts down "stocks and bonds" under intangible assets, I wonder how that reveals if he has an interest in something that comes before Council. In fact, I wonder if this financial disclosure really serves any purpose whatsoever. If taken at face value, it would appear that more than one Councilor would qualify for food stamps! What a useless exercise.
"Had the employer, concluding that (Derrig's) behavior was rapidly declining, meted out increasingly harsh penalties and warnings, (Derrig) may well have heeded those messages and changed his ways," Humphries wrote.
This is the only way to beat the unions in arbitration. You must dish out increasingly harsh punishments and document each incident. As far as "changing his ways", usually this doesn't happen. Once a documented trail of misbehavior and punishments is established, termination usually sticks. Unions are then not anxious to take it to arbitration, and if they do even the union backed arbitrators have a hard time reinstating the offender. The training referred to in the article should be for management.
Here we go again. ANOTHER group who wants my tax dollars to support their hobby. Look, I have no problem with someone wanting to play a banjo next to a gothic painting, just don't ask me to pay for it. I also doubt it would be supported by 51% of the taxpayers. Shouldn't it take a majority to impose upon themselves a tax for art?
Beer is a gift from God to prove how much he loves us. - Benjamin Franklin
"Improvements" seems to be defined differently by different people. I know that what some have described as "improvements" over the past 8 years I would certainly define as idiotic waste.
Exactly. A community event that should be paid for through fundraisers. The Chamber of Commerce should spearhead this effort.
If I (taxpayer) am paying someone's salary, I have a right to know how much.
The problem with putting too much credibility in elections actually representing the will of the people is that what "candidates" say they will do and what "councilors" actually do are often two different things. I do recall one candidate who said he was opposed to the STRP but upon election as a councilor he voted in favor of it. This is just one example, and if I had time I could name many others. If only we could rely on a candidate's rhetoric to know what he/she would really do!
They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot. With a pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot. Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got til it's gone. Did Joni Mitchell visit Marco Island?
The Chamber of Commerce needs to take over the fireworks. This is what a Chamber of Commerce is all about. While many enjoy the fireworks, the Chamber benefits the most. They need to provide/recruit volunteers to sell support buttons to the public - in front of grocery and drug stores, at community events, everywhere. I'm sure there are many bar/restaurants who would be glad to host fundraisers. It needs to be a year long project. If they receive no support, then I guess people aren't all that interested in the fireworks after all. No way should taxpayers fund this, and to raid the farmer's market is at best obscene. While many civic organizations could do this, the Chamber is the one organization who actually has this as a pillar of their reason for existence....
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Island - you have me mixed up with another poster. I never wrote what you atributed to me.
The Chamber of Commerce needs to take over the fireworks. This is what a Chamber of Commerce is all about. While many enjoy the fireworks, the Chamber benefits the most. They need to provide/recruit volunteers to sell support buttons to the public - in front of grocery and drug stores, at community events, everywhere. I'm sure there are many bar/restaurants who would be glad to host fundraisers. It needs to be a year long project. If they receive no support, then I guess people aren't all that interested in the fireworks after all. No way should taxpayers fund this, and to raid the farmer's market is at best obscene. While many civic organizations could do this, the Chamber is the one organization who actually has this as a pillar of their reason for existence.
"The year-long debate over Jackson Lab is what spurred Kish, a pharmacist, to run for office in 2012." While we taxpayers screamed that this was a bad deal, he at least has the guts to run and try to make sure these types of ripoffs don't surface again. Good luck.
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