bbyrone, foster, neylon, hall, fables, enman...yeah, that's a winning team. We could cap spending at zero and get rid of all government, as Bush has been trying to do, so when there is a Katrina we will have no governmental structure at all to work with.
The roads will go back to tarred over potholes and our beautiful Marco Island will decline into decay.
We'll have a moratorium on all rentals that are not hotels, so we'll go back to having a deserted island in the summer. Then the businesses will not be able to make it here with the high costs of real estate and will leave. They'll take their children with them so all that will be left are the cranky old CAVE people.
Somehow I don't think even their best scenario, outlined above, will make them happy.
Next year the Lely Seniors can plan a positive community contribution as a lasting gift to their school and start a new tradition.
I heard that it is always the good kids that get caught.
Congratulations to Mr. Fairbanks for working so hard on the behalf of these worthy young adults.
And shame on the Naples Daily News for going for the tabloid exploitation approach with mug shots on the front page instead of the "We support our outstanding scholars and know the difference between a prank and a crime." You missed the mark on your handling of this altogether.
I disagree with you. I think the South Collier Blvd. improvements look fantastic. A friend has a home on Maple St. a block from there and already has been thrilled by the effects of the new drainage which means his property no longer floods with the rains.
All projects go through the planning committee and you can become involved in your town's development before the changes occur, rather than bad mouthing after the fact. You sound like a card carrying member of CARES. (BTW- I do not own a business nor am I affiliated with the real estate community).
Geezer,Thanks for providing the article here. I did not see it listed in the front page of the Marconews and I have been watching for remarks on it. The tone of the article is not to the liking of the Marconews editorial board- I'll bet and that's why it got such low level play. The Marconews has been complicit in the CARES saga. I doubt they will change their tune now.
Liam's coverage of the Marco City Council meeting is infinitely more professional than the biased coverage Bania submitted.
Kudos to the City council for forcing CARES to be accountable for their actions against the city.
Kudos for backing our fine professional fire fighters.
Kudos for standing against the toll.
It appears the CARES purse IS full of money. They keep coming up with plenty to continue their vendetta against the city. No one is falling for your poor me I'm on a fixed income blather. The STRP payment arrangement is the fairest I've ever heard of. (I have to pay it so I know whereof I speak).
You are badmouthing people and belittling them. That is not an effective argument. In fact it diminishes whatever message it is you think needs to be conveyed. You appear weak when you attack individuals like this.
None of these people has benefited personally in any way from any of these programs.
Our island looks beautiful. It is a pleasure to have nice roadways, finally some proper roadway drainage, and decorative lighting befitting an upscale community with mostly million dollar homes. Your home's value is only enhanced by the infrastructure improvements. Go plant a garden or do something else to lower your blood pressure so you can live long and enjoy your beautiful community.
BTV-I don't think you are correct about the nutrients leeching from the septics. My neighbor's palms situated on the edge of his septic system are twice the size of his palms sitting farther away.
Additionally, we had discussions on Marco about whether swales were necessary to filter runoff through the layers of soil to capture the impurities before they seeped through the few yards to the canals. Septic systems are in between the swales and the canals. There is no imaginable way that nutrients etc. from the septic tanks are not reaching the canals. I will pay my fair share to preserve the pristine environment I am so privileged to live near.
There were six species of birds in my yard today. We are so blessed. The fish are jumping. The dolphins visit regularly. We have a responsibility.
You are most disingenuous bbyrone (some would say lying). Ed Foster formed CARES to stop the STRP. When there was no action from the city in response he went ahead and attacked the city about the ‘cancer causing asbestos’. The same asbestos he stored in his garage, knowing full well that it was not really dangerous. But he whipped up enough feeble minded chicken littles clucking “The sky is falling. The sky is falling.” Until you guys actually believed your own nonsense. Foster wanted to stop the STRP.
Foster is CARES is Columbo is POPS is Hall is RECALL is Faye is MITA is Bedford is Friends of Marco is CARES is Neylon is Bania is CARES is nincompoops.
Mr. Issler~ They already know the true story. They don't CARES. The people writing here against you and the city have no interest in the truth, only in being right, which is a problem for them because you can never be right without the truth.
The many times they have lost in court is because they have no integrity of argument, only primitive flailing of arms. You really only egg them on in these posts. But it does expose the vacuousness of their position if one can get through the muck of their response.
The reason we should not entertain their continuing attacks just to see the outcome is because, unlike them, we have the ability to learn from our actions. They contiually bring frivolous lawsuits and investigations which, history has taught us, ALWAYS end in failure on their part. We should not have to continue to suffer these fools. They are costing us all way too much time, trouble and tax dollars.
The CARES PAC should have been sued to recover the expenses associated with previous frivolous lawsuits against the city. Without accountability, this is never going to end. They will not stop until they have to pay to clean up the previous messes they have left. I hope the city council will revisit their responsibility to get tough and revote to press CARES to pay up. If there is a way to go after punitive damages I wholeheartedly encourage we go after those too.
The CARES PAC should have been sued to recover the expenses associated with previous frivolous lawsuits against the city. Without accountability, this is never going to end. I hope the city council will revisit their responsibility to get tough and revote to press CARES to pay up. If there is a way to go after punitive damages I wholeheartedly encourage we go after those too.
The city has photos of the site after the area was professionally cleaned. It was mapped out with stakes so photos taken showing the cleaned up site could prove there was no pipe left--and in fact they show there were NO pipe pieces anywhere to be seen. Each stake has a close up of the area around it and there were no shards or anything else to be seen. When pieces of the pipe showed up soon afterward, laying next to a stake, on top of an area photographed days before, (next to the sidewalk conveniently-so no one needed to walk on the newly raked cleaned up area)-it was obvious that the pipe was put there.
Now it does not look good that Ed Foster, the man sueing the city about the asbestos (and sueing it because de disagreed with the septic tank replacement program by the way-so he appears to have a motive) was found to have bags of the asbestos pipe chunks stored in his garage. He does not dispute this.
Why is it so difficult to think that a council person, knowing about these photos, knowing that they show the pipe was not there one day and then there is pipe showing up days later. A reasonable person could see this as phographic proof that the pipe was planted. (Albeit-circumstantial).
Roger Hall- You are making up stuff in the absence of verifiable data again. You have lost all credibility. I challenge you to provide official data that Sanibel beaches were ever closed due to sewer outflow. They have experienced red tide as have all the beaches in southwest Florida. But red tide has been reported here for over a hundred years...long before there were any sewers. Please provide documentation when you make outrageous accusations. You can easily provide links and we will decide how much to trust their accuracy.But no one should take your word for it.
(Continued from previous post)Elected officials accept a number of responsibilities when they take the oath of office. A responsibility that seems to have fallen by the wayside on the island is the duty to do business in the sunshine and to maintain a healthy respect for the people’s right to know.
All elected officials should embrace the following contention from the Office of the Florida Attorney General:
"The best way to ensure that government truly represents the people it serves is to keep government open and accessible to those people."
We hope residents of Marco Island understand that government in the sunshine is a far more important issue than the septic-to-sewer project, even if some of their elected officials don’t.
Phil Lewis is editor of the Daily News
In case you missed it bbyrone-happyharry-paradiselost-et al--here is the NDN editor's opinion supporting Sal's call for sunshine on Kiester This is the Sunshine State, Marco, so please don't keep us in the darkBy Phil Lewis
Sunday, March 25, 2007
In terms of open government and sunshine, it seems things have gone from bad to worse on Marco Island.
A month or so ago, a public records request to obtain copies of e-mails exchanged by Marco city officials, including a few elected city council members, indicated that city issues had been discussed outside of open council meetings.
The state attorney is looking into the matter.
Then, a week or so ago, a public records request of e-mails received and sent by two other elected council members indicated that public records may have been destroyed. What’s worse, one city council member told Daily News reporter Liam Dillon that he saw nothing wrong with doing away with such e-mails.
That’s especially scary.
Playing in the background of all this is the highly contentious and polarizing island sewer project. The city’s plan to install sewer lines to replace septic tanks has turned into a civic civil war. It might not pit brother against brother, but it seems to have pitted neighbor against neighbor.
The first alarm about e-mails was sounded by the anti-sewer group. They rightfully requested and received e-mails from the fall of 2005 when city council was discussing and making some decisions on the sewer plan.
After the contents of those e-mails were examined, it appeared to some — including this newspaper — that the state’s Sunshine Law had been violated or at least skirted.
Then, the other side in the sewer war rightfully requested under Florida law the e-mails of two new city council members — Chuck Kiester and Ted Forcht — who were elected last spring on a platform that could be described as "anti-sewer/pro-septic."
Kiester reported that he had destroyed some e-mails, because he hadn’t realized they constituted public records. Forcht said, initially, that the e-mails in question between his home e-mail account and constituents were his business and he would destroy them rather than make them public.
Forcht was wrong in his contention that the public had no right to the e-mails and hopefully he will abandon his threats to wantonly break state law.
This e-mail case might also end up on the state attorney’s desk.
Hopefully there’s a lesson in all of this for public officials on Marco as well as those looking on from afar.(continued next post)
Try this link for a much better version of this story.
putnam-Issler has more integrity in his little toe than you or the rest of the CAVE men have all put together. Issler is a hero to many for being able to stomach that tripe you dish up. He is on to you and that is why you are so threatened by him.
Keep it up Ed Issler. A fan.
The argument for the STRP is that this program is for the betterment of the entire island. We live in a fragile biological environment. In order to provide good stewardship is to be proactive in replacing the septic tanks; and to act sooner rather than later has the advantages of saving money on a program now that will cost more later as well as mitigating any growing pollution problems.Because this program is for the benefit of the whole island, and not necessarily just for the homeowners involved in the STRP, the responsibility for sharing the costs should be borne in some measure by all.The cap should be lifted to accommodate this important program. Future generations deserve this legacy.
The argument for the STRP is that this program is for the betterment of the entire island. We live in a fragile biological environment. In order to provide good stewardship is to be proactive in replacing the septic tanks; and to act sooner rather than later has the advantages of saving money on a program now that will cost more later as well as mitigating any growing pollution problems. Because this program is for the benefit of the whole island, and not necessarily just for the homeowners involved in the STRP, the responsibility for sharing the costs should be borne in some measure by all. The cap should be lifted to accommodate this important program. Future generations deserve this legacy.
Your attacks on the business community are a thinly veiled attempt to push them out of the picture. The business community is actively involved in many (maybe even most) of the positive activities on Marco. They hold leadership roles in Kiwanis and the two Rotary Clubs. They are active in the religious communities and they volunteer on the board of directors for most of the non-profits in town including the YMCA and the Cancer drive. They live on the island; raise their children here and in many cases care for their retired parents here too. Do you really live here? What volunteer work have you done on Marco?The immediate past Chamber President has spoken out for the community to come together (that it may have sounded to you like a condemnation of the anti-city forces is due to your being one of the anti-city spokespersons). The Chamber has never formed a PAC . They don’t have to. They never took a position on the STRP because the commercial lots are already on sewers and have already paid for them as have the condo owners along Collier Blvd. and the 60% of the land owners on Marco. Everyone is watching the destruction to our Island’s character brought about by all these useless and costly lawsuits and the constant bickering and nastiness those bringing the lawsuits never seem to tire of. We are all tired of it. Make no mistake. We know who the culprits are.
It was Foster's clone Roger Hall who made the grossly inaccurate statements at the City Council meeting. Maybe he would be better off too by joining Foster out of the country. (Maybe we would be better off too).
I watched you, Ed Foster, make all the inaccurate accusations against the city management that were refuted in the memo from the city financial director Bill Harrison in the post above by sunalsorises.You keep acting like you have the facts and that you are the authority on everything (note your continuing litany above), but you are only a malcontent out to protect your ego at any cost (and at any cost to the city).
You have no credibility anymore and even your past cohorts say you are a liability to their cause now behind your back.You had asbestos in your garage for Pete's sake. You lost ALL your efforts against the city. You continue to deceive yourself into thinking you have something valuable to say, but the evidence to the contrary is on this page. Bania is backing the wrong horse. Wait until the 60% of the homeowners already on sewer find out you are trying to stick them with your bill for sewers after they have already paid for theirs. They are starting to organize. You began to see them come out over the reuse fees...just wait. I will enjoy watching you get your comeuppance.
Regrettably, the malcontents have done more than touch a nerve, they have hammered the goodwill and reputations of honest and decent men and women who have not profited in anyway from the STRP. You cannot dismiss the history just because you do not like it. And the result is we have a STRP anyway. Those you defend have lost more than their argument. They have lost the respect of the flabbergasted silent majority, those 60% of the people who already have sewer and very many of those of us who are going to have sewers. I appreciate that the city council has offered an extended payment plan as an alternative to having to pay for it, all at once, up front. I commend them for doing the right thing in bringing sewers to the island replacing the septic tanks. We live in an ecologically sensitive area whose natural beauty is a treasure especially to those of us lucky enough to live here.
Dear LaLaLand-We need only look at how the courts have ruled time and again on the methods employed by the CARES.POP.RECALL crowd. They have decisively ruled against them EVERY time. When Foster et al began bringing lawsuits against the city it was the culmination of ceaseless personal attacks on the councilors and city management team. The city council and administration do not have to respond to abusive behavior and comments. Nor do they need respond to lawsuits as the opposition kicked the decision making up to the courts and effectively out of their hands. It was the mob mentality that brought an end to the dialogue. Foster has lost all credibility. It is too easy to imagine him placing asbestos from his garage at the site to suit his own ends. There was never a threat from the asbestos. That was totally misused information to attempt to discredit the administration in order to further the case against sewers…a bizarre storyline.
Hall is equally discredited. He is just trying to recoup his lost wager on the RECALL effort now.
The Naples editor believes in sunshine. What a shock. We all support sunshine. What is unsupportable, is Ed Bania who, when given a bunch of emails from his sidekicks (I mean sources), takes quotations from only one side of the argument, fails to forward the emails for their comments to the people he publically is about to skewer, and to top it off makes up an incendiary headline that has to be retracted.One would like to believe he is merely a dupe being used by the Butch Neylons to further their cause using any methods even if they undermine our once unbiased press. But Bania has it in for the former councilman he is accusing of being in violation of the sunshine law. Bania was reporting to his superiors by Aceri for previous biased reporting and this was payback. The NDN appears complicit and appears to be trying to cover up Bania’s obvious misuse of the press. There was no violation of the Sunshine Law. There was no case for CARES lawsuits, there was no case for public health threats resulting from old water pipe with asbestos, there was no case for the recall. This is all part of a pattern of abuse of the law in an effort by some to fight paying their fare share for sewers. The sewers are a done deal. The city is poorer for the hundreds of thosands of dollars spent defending against these outrageous assaults and we are all the poorer for the new low in how we treat each other.
I am outraged that mob mentality, (stoked by a run amuck reporter’s deranged recounting of events including creating a title designed to incite and inflame and revealing his obvious bias), is allowed to close down the City’s rightful business with their unruly behavior. At the next meeting, the police might have to enforce the right of the City Council to do its business by removing disruptive, non-law abiding attendees.
I cancelled delivery of my Eagle yesterday afternoon. I have had enough of Rife and Bania. They have gone beyond irresponsible to destructive and continue to fail to see their incompetence. I am disturbed that the normally thoughtful Phil Lewis is shielding them. He is getting spattered by this mud.
Dear Lindsey, I am sorry to inform you that you have been misled in your article with Fye Biles about the FGCU Renaissance Academy in respect to the level of responsibility and influence she is claiming for the program. It sounds as if Faye was responsible for the program when in fact it was Jack Crocker, appointed by President Merwin in his inaugural speech in 2000 that headed up the life long learning program at FGCU named the Renaissance Academy.
Your article further seems to claim that the first Renaissance Academy Program was on Marco Island. In fact the first one was held in the Mooring Park Retirement community. Here is link to the program http://www.fgcu.edu/crm/pressrelease....
I believe the Marco program came later that year as well as some others in the Naples area.
Here is a link the bio page at FGCU where Jack Crocker is credited with the program. http://www.fgcu.edu/cese/Boardbios.html
Please be advised that Faye Biles, as president of MITA (Marco Island Tax payer Assoc) is beginning to run her behind the scenes campaign sponsoring city council candidates against the sewers and police department and the city in general.
She is exaggerating her role in the Renaissance Academy to bolster her reputation. And you will notice that she has announced a course entitled Green Technology versus Sewers. This is a not so subtle attempt to manipulate you and your readers as she has been a primary leader on the campaign against sewers with the PACs that have sued the city and with those who are trying to recall 3 city council members.
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